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sajacobs
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Newbie looking for tank advice
« on: April 15, 2012, 08:43:45 AM »

Hello

Before I start please don't beat me up.  Yup, completely uneducated newbie who bought a two gallon (with water filter) for my new goldfish. I figured I would get my goldfish a companion and researched the topic. Of course at this point I found out my tank is too small. I've been monitoring the water quality and it's good. In the mean time I'm on the hunt for a 15 to 20 gallon tank.

I have a small living room and need a compact tank.  I would love something a bit stylish....like the fluval. But I'm concerned about cleaning or even if its a good tank for goldfish. Any opinions or other suggestions?  Was hoping for something that would fit well in a corner.

Thanks for your input.
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2012, 10:09:17 AM »

Hi Sajacobs and welcome to the forum,

If you'd like to keep more than one goldfish, the minimum stocking is 20 gallons for the first fish and 10 gallons for each additional fish. So you could get a 30 gallon tank and quite happily have 2 goldfish, or even a 40 gallon tank and have 3 goldfish Smiley
It would save you having to upgrade again, if you wanted a companion for your goldfish.

Which fluval tank were you looking at in particular?
For goldfish the longer the tank the better, so goldfish can have plenty of swimming room.

Another thing to consider for tanks, is a decent amount of filtration. As goldfish are very messy creatures they need filtration that's 10x the tank size. So for example a 40 gallon tank would need a 40 gallons per hour filter.
Generally external filters can be a good way to go, as they have more space for media and the beneficial bacteria than internals.

You may need to do lots of regular water changes on the two gallon tank, possibly even twice a week or more. If you've been monitoring the water quality, may I ask what your readings for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate are? Also did you cycle the tank before adding the fish?

Best of luck!
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2012, 10:32:29 AM »

Thank you so much for your input. I'm thinking of only keeping the one fish. The 30 to 40 gallon tank could be too big for my living room. I figure I can put a betts in the 2 gallon tank and keep bertie the goldfish by its self. But I'm hoping w some help from educated folks I can make a good decision on buying a tank.

I did cycle the tank before adding Bertie. I had good readings from ph to nitrites before adding the fish. I did a test stripe yesterday and nitrites were negative and the other items in normal range. I did a 25% water change today. I've had the fish for a week and I think it's growing. Smiley. So I think I'm on the right track but this fish will grow out the tank soon.

Is it better to buy a tank and build from scratch the comPonents?

I was looking at the fluval 16 gallon - either the long or tall one (sorry don't know techinal names)

Thanks:)
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2012, 12:50:08 PM »

I think your goldfish would benefit from having a friend or two, goldfish are sociable creatures after all!
I currently only have one goldfish, but that's because my tank would be overstocked if I added more! But I am working on a larger set up for her to have friends. Maybe a 30 gallon would be a good way to go? It's only a little bigger than a 20 gallon Smiley
I can understand if a 40 gallon would be too big.

I personally wouldn't put anything but snails in a 2 gallon tank, it's too small for any fish in my opinion.
By the time you add a filter, heater and plants in there, not much space really left for a Betta! A 10 or 15 gallon tank would be much better for a Betta fish, if properly suited to its environment i.e. lots of plants and hiding places.

As for buying tanks and equipment separately or as sets? I think it depends.
I know in America (not sure which shop) but people here have mentioned a Dollar per Gallon sale on tanks. So you could get a nice sized tank quite cheaply. However I can appreciate a 20 - 30 gallon tank is quite large, so you will need a suitable stand. I often find the stands are sometimes the most expensive part!

As for filters, the cheapest brand I've seen is by a company here called All Ponds Solution, but I believe the same thing is available in America as AquaTop. They are external filters often with UV built in. So by all means look into them and see if it's something you like the look of.

Trying to figure out which Fluval tanks you are referring too... you'd want a long tank definitely, not a tall one. Maybe just post a picture!

Another option is to see if anyone is selling any tanks in your area, sometimes there are local Aquarist Societies that will have tanks spare for a good price, or checking ads in the paper/internet that kind of thing Smiley

I'm sure the others will be by soon with more help and advice!
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2012, 02:32:27 PM »

I think Bertie would enjoy a friend. This little fish is already sociable, coming up to front and wiggling when I talk to it.  I feel he needs a friend.

Sorry I got my tanks mixed up. Fluval largest talk is 12 gallons. Too small.  Thats out  I saw the biorb has a 16 gallon but that bowl shaped. So that's out.

So I'm back to the usual looking tank Sad

Still interested if someone has any other brands to offer.

I checked Craigslist and I can't believe the bad state people are trying to sell their tanks in.  Shocked


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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2012, 03:05:19 AM »

I'd definitely go for a 30 gallon if I were you, that's a really nice size for a beginner since it's big enough to basically handle itself and the chance of temperature or pH fluctuations is a lot smaller Smiley
Personally, I find that small tanks are of course cute, but they stop being cute when someone tries to keep a fish far too big for it inside. goldfish will easily reach a body length of 5-6 inches (fancy) or even 1 foot! (long-bodied).
My mother keeps two fantails in her 25 gallon, but almost every time I'm home she's asking me if I don't want to take the bigger one (4 inches without tail) into my 83 gallon... Wink
So you might get a little problem with the conscience as the goldfish grows and you see that it doesn't have too much swimming room.

A 30 gallon tank shouldn't be too expensive since it's a pretty average size. You may want to look into some used Juwel tanks maybe? They're usually very stylish with beautiful stands... Smiley
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2012, 10:30:18 AM »

Thanks for the input. I went to a pet store I never go to. I found a 26 gallon bow front tank. Not the prettiest tank but practical and big. I had stumbled across a bow front stand which can hold a 28 gallon tank. So I ordered that. So I'm ready to move into big tank realm.

I find this to be humorous that a $4.99 fish gets a $250 set up. I think I'm nuts. What the heck was I thinking Roll Eyes

Oh well .... Joining the goldfish club.  Grin
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2012, 04:48:56 AM »

That sounds awesome! I bet it'll look great Smiley Did it have a stand? Smiley
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2012, 07:56:07 PM »

Nope.  I ordered the stand from (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

I'm excited.  Bertie is moving up in the world:)  He's getting the masion:)  Lucky bum. 
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2012, 11:59:06 AM »

Awww yay! Do show us photo's once it's set up  Grin
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2012, 01:38:22 PM »

My Fluval tank is 200 Litres
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2012, 05:20:33 PM »

200 liters???  Wow that's like a super mansion.  I had a nice talk with a customer at the pet store.  He said his tank was 250 gallons.  Can't imagine taking care of it....never mind housing it. 

So looking for more help.  I was checking out my new filter as I was setting up bertie's temporary home.  There's not one bit a info on how much water it filters.  Just says it's for a 30 gallon tank.  Has only a two filter process.  Since I'm setting up the new tank maybe I need a better filter.  Can you folks guide me?  I have no clue what to get.  Wouldn't a 3 or 5 step filter system be better for messy goldfish?  Or a high flow?  Or one you can control the amount of flow?

I want to set this up right.  Just stick with the kit filter or move into something better?
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2012, 06:07:48 AM »

Mine is 317 liters Wink

A filter rated for 30 gallons would be better suited for a 20 gallon, but there's no problem to run two filters on one tank!
Just be sure that one of them is an external canister filter, the size of the filter is almost more important than the power since a goldfish tank needs a lot of biological filtration Smiley More expensive options are Fluval and Eheim filters, but some people on here also have aquatops or sun sun filters which are half the price but twice the power... Wink
Is it an internal filter you have? You could always run it alongside a larger external filter Smiley
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2012, 09:20:50 AM »

The flow on this in new filter is sad. It's one that hangs on the edge of the tank. So I have it ruuning on this three gallon tank.... It barely circulates the water.

I'm going to make the investment and get something better. So what do you think of fluval?  I was reading mixed reviews on amazon.

Anyone else who wants to boost about their filter?  Wink
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2012, 09:54:47 AM »

I've never had any experience with Fluval filters I'm afraid.

I have an Aquatop filter (known as All Ponds Solution here) and I've had no real issues with it, apart from not knowing what I'm doing a lot of the time as I'm new to external filters! But I got a lot of help from the company I ordered from as well as owners of the same filter on another forum I belong to, slowly getting the hang of it! Smiley

Remember when you look at filters, that the out put may be slightly lower than the company states as a lot of companies test their filters with no media inside and with the filter at the same height as the tank.

But the Aquatop/All Ponds Solution, were the cheapest external filters I found with UV capabilities, which is a nice extra Smiley
Although I have my UV off most of the time, I have used it when introducing new plants after quarantine and can use it if any parasites make Lucky ill, it can also help with certain types of algae as well I believe?

I run my external filter alongside an internal filter too Smiley It's probably not necessary, but I figure, you never know when you'd need a cycled internal filter!
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2012, 10:12:40 AM »

Thanks S

That was helpful.

My pet store recommended your brand. Cheaper than fluval. But he passed a comment about fluval having extra cleaning steps. This guy knows his stuff - has 4 large tanks. He still felt aquatop was over all a great buy.

What's the UV capabilities?

I'm also getting a air bubbler. After reading so much hear and knowing how dirty goldfish tanks get - anything to keep pumping oxygen into the water is helpful.

It's good to cover your bases.
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2012, 11:41:59 AM »

I did put together a newbie's review, of my current filter. So maybe it would be of interest to you, to check it out.
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As for the UV capabilities, it's simply a 9 watt UV bulb included within the filter, on my filter it has it's own little switch, so I can switch it on and off as I please. It's not something that I would say is necessary on an indoor filter, but it's nice to have it there, just in case! Smiley

Also the air stones, they don't 'pump' oxygen into the water, what they do is cause surface agitation at the top which encourages gas exchange Wink Some people find their filter produces enough surface agitation for an air stone to not be needed.
But I quite like the bubbles as they are very pretty to watch Cheesy
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2012, 01:59:01 PM »

Ohhh....I didn't realize that about the air pump.  Thanks for clarify.  I do like the way it looks too Grin

I'll read your review.  Thanks so much.
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2012, 06:23:57 AM »

I have an Eheim 2217 and an internal Fluval 4 running on my 317 liter Smiley I'll be getting an aquatop as soon as I have extra money, and I'll run that one and the Eheim together... c: Possibly.

I have an air stone in my tank, but it wouldn't be necessary at all Smiley I just think it's cute, and my goldies do love those bubbles... I have it buried in the gravel to get bigger and fewer bubbles Wink
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2012, 09:14:32 AM »

If you are going to buy a fluval internal then you should look at the"U" range, the U3 should be more than adequate
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2012, 03:27:11 AM »

Yes, I forgot to add that the Fluval 4 has terrible bypass issues. The flow is strangely going only on the sides of inside of the filter... |:
It was more an example of what I currently have though, rather than a recommendation. Thought i'd clear that up Smiley
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2012, 03:51:08 AM »

not had any probs with my fluval 4 Nossie...must admit I only use the top outlet rather than the spray bar setting...and I replaced the bio-balls with a sponge pad
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2012, 06:58:31 AM »

I have a 40 liter and a 220 liter.
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2012, 09:36:14 AM »

After input here and a bit of research I went with the fluval c3 (up to 50 gallons). At my pet store the fluval was only $10 more than aquatop.

I'm disappointed with it. It's making a ton of noise. Great flow but so noisy it's driving me crazy. I found people who recommended a bit of Vaseline on the propeller.  Did that and still noisy. So I'm going to returning it and trying another one.  If that one is a flop, I'll go with aquatop.
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2012, 10:05:40 AM »

Hi Sajacobs,
I have a 29 gallon and just upgraded to the 70 gallon Hagen Aqua-Clear. I really like it, it's very simple to put together, media sits on top of one another, there is an adjustment for larger to smaller flow, and it's quiet.  When I bought the 29 gallon kit, it came with the 30 gallon filter, put I wanted something with a little bit better flow. You would probably do well with the 50 gallon or the 70 gallon. The only thing about the 70 gallon I have a slight problem with is the flow. It REALLY flows on the lowest setting, but I've taken another filter, cut it down and placed it in front of the water flow and that has helped tremendously. All in all I highly recommend them. I bought mine at (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.) for a really good price.
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2012, 03:22:26 PM »

scrivens: I think we're talking about different filters? Mine is an internal one that doesn't even have a possibility to add bioballs since the filter media is like sheets that are put into two halves of the basket, if you know what I mean Smiley
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2012, 11:52:24 PM »

mine has an extra compartment at the top...BUT I did throw away the carbon filters and only use sponges
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2012, 03:26:18 AM »

I've seen that one! Smiley Yeah, so they're different, I bet yours is a lot better since it's not designed for the water to flow up and down and back up again.. D:
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2012, 05:02:25 AM »

Wow you guys are going fancy al over the filters I didnt know you could do that!
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Re: Newbie looking for tank advice
« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2012, 08:12:11 AM »

I agree.  Who would think fish filters would cause so much passionate discussion? Cheesy

On a side bar....my fluval appears to be getting quieter.  Hurray!  I'm hoping it will be silent soon.
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