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Goldiegirl
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On Choosing Healthy Goldfish
« on: July 12, 2011, 08:11:59 PM »

Hello all, just thought I would post some tips for choosing a healthy fish when you go to the store to find a friend.

Head:
EYES should be clear and equally proportioned. Pupils must be distinct and black.
-Avoid red, bleeding eyes, swollen eyes, (unless the fish is one of the telescope/moor variety) missing eyes, wounded eyes, or clouded eyes.
GILLS must be a fleshy, natural color inside.
-Avoid reddened gills, purple gills, bleeding gills, or mucus oozing out of gills.
-Gill covers must be whole and in tact, without any missing areas.
-Gills that have breeding tubercles are perfectly normal if you desire a male fish.
MOUTH should be perfectly formed without disfigurations.
-Avoid cotton-like material hanging from mouth

Fins:
-Fins must be splayed out and paddling when swimming.
-Avoid clamped fins, torn, ragged fins, and bumpy fins. Occasional white specks may be seen on the edges of the pectoral fins if the fish is a male.
-Dorsal fin must be erect 99% of the time.
-All fins should be paired exept dorsal fin.

Body:
Scales must be shining and distinct.
-Avoid missing scales, blemished scales, pineconing scales, and scales appearing to be heavily sprinkled with salt.
-Scales should be tight fitting, like a suit of armor.
Body must be plumo but not overly bloated.
-Avoid lumps, bumps, tumors, ulcers, oozing patches, open wounds, black specks that move along the surface, and string-like objects hanging from the body.
SPINE should not be crooked, but straight and smooth.

Tail:
-Avoid shredded tails, lumpy tails, very crooked tails, wounded tails, disfigured tails, frayed tails, bloody tails, and tails edged in white.
-For aestheticly pleasing tails, try choosing fish with long, flowing tails. Clefted tails are optional but prefered.

So there you have it.  Wink
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Re: On Choosing Healthy Goldfish
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2011, 04:31:56 AM »

great info Goldiegirl, Ive copied and pasted it into my goldfish txt file... karma for you. Cheers> Ron
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Re: On Choosing Healthy Goldfish
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2011, 10:48:00 AM »

Awesome, hope that this will be a sticky! Smiley

I got a few things to add though Wink

Red eyes are fine if the fish is white, most white fish have red irises, but if the eyes are protruding unnaturally or are uneven, as Goldiegirl said, a warning signal should sound in your head.

Paired fins, the fancy varieties should, by show standards have them, but it's not a necessity, many of my fish have single anal fins, for instance, which is very common in pet shop quality fish Smiley Not to mention that common varieties such as commons, shubunkins and comets shouldn't have all fins paired either:) (Wakins and Jikins on the other hand have the cigar shaped body but still have double tails. These two are pretty hard to get in the west though.)

Gills are naturally red on a healthy fish since there's a whole lot of blood being transported through them, but if they look dark red, almost like dried blood or something it should certainly be avoided since most fish with any symptoms on the gills won't make it unless you have access to the appropriate treatment.
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Re: On Choosing Healthy Goldfish
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2011, 02:16:46 PM »

Thank you, Ron and Nossie, for your compliments.  Smiley

Yes, paired fins on fish are not essential; I should have made it more clear that I was saying that from a personal point of view. However, fish that are missing pectoral and ventral fins may have difficulty in swimming, so it is best to avoid them. Single anal fins will not affect that as much and are perfecly healthy fish that make just as wonderful pets as those whos anal fins are paired, and the same thing goes for fish that do not have a clefted tail or the other standards required for show goldfish.  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2011, 07:59:57 PM »

Thanks for the addendum Nossie... you know with the information thats been contributed on this site and the knowledge that people like youselves have (Nossie and Goldie) you could publish your own ebook... cheers > Ron
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2011, 01:33:42 AM »

If I'd try to write a book... I'd never finish it :'D I leave my paintings just because they look finished most of the time, but I keep finding little mistakes, little things I could add... the book would most likely be the same xD (But It'd be so much fun!! You could do the photography! 8D)
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2011, 07:59:07 AM »

I know what you mean, creative's are very hard on themselves and their work, we think we have finished something in 3 days but we spend the next two weeks analysing and finessing it... I know I still sometimes find it hard to say "Im done with it"... it would be an unique collaboration to do an ebook or similar, with the authors/contributors etc all working from different countries... regards > Ron
 
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2011, 10:06:18 AM »

That would be fun...a book written by those of us from places all over the world, on the subject we all love...I keep a little book myself, nothing fancy, just take notes on it whenever a fish of mine is sick. I write down what I did to make it better, then refer to it if something similar comes up in the future. I know how that is, Nossie, about the paintings! I love to paint myself, but usually end up ditching it half-way through, being unsatisfied.  Roll Eyes Ron would make the best photographer for the book, I vote.  Cheesy
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Re: On Choosing Healthy Goldfish
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2011, 01:32:18 AM »

Okay, so planning is one thing, now, the next and hardest part is finding the time for it :'D
But that's pretty awesome Goldiegirl Smiley With that little book!

So what do you two create? Smiley
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Re: On Choosing Healthy Goldfish
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2011, 01:54:57 AM »

You gives me much help,thanks for your tips.
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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2011, 09:05:01 PM »

Hi again, been offline for a few days....In answer to your question Nossie,
This was something I worked on and as artists you may appreciate this site and games... (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.) I did a couple of years flash development and worked as art director and graphic designer for these games, (it was a class project that became a job for a while after I graduated), It was developed it for 7-12 year olds to teach them about art principals and elements and whats on display at our Gallery, it also relates to the actual gallery layout... it is used by our primary schools here, I would be interested to hear your thoughts if you have time to check it out...
Cheers > Ron
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2011, 09:29:53 AM »

Not bad! Got through an art education myself, but it's not something I'm bragging with, there are far too many people who won't accept any kind of critique/suggestions on their work because of the "I'VE BEEN TO ART SCHOOL, I'M MUCH BETTER THAN YOU"-attitude.

Very nice layout on the site, you've got a good sense of composition Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2011, 06:04:24 AM »

cheers Nossie, I put in a few years doing layout design, and when I started we only had pencils, pens and brushes, not computers... I know what you mean about critique's and peoples suggestions, I learnt long ago not to be too precious about my ideas and work... but I also think that if you want to push the boundaries, then listen to no-one... cheers
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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2011, 10:12:20 AM »

I don't take anything but technical advice c:
My paintings tend to be a tad provocative.... or at least as provocative as a 19-year-old can be Tongue
So if I'd listen to someone whining about the subject matter... well, no, I wouldn't Grin
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2011, 01:56:25 AM »

  Wink  thats a good way to be... regards > Ron
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Re: On Choosing Healthy Goldfish
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2011, 01:46:48 PM »

I like to paint animals, but haven't attempted fish yet for the simple reason that they move a bit too much.  Grin I also enjoy sculpting with clay and designing computor art as well, though I have no talent to speak of in that respect. Mostly I compose music.  Wink
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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2011, 07:38:33 PM »

I said this in another thread somewhere as well but again, its great to see your online again Goldiegirl, I hope your recovery is going well... it sounds like you have a broad range of skills similar to myself, and as said above I recently did full time study in Multimedia and you need a lot of those same skills to create good interactive designs... do you use adobe photoshop and illustrator for creating your computer art? and how do you go about your music composition?, I use acid pro software now but I used to use Audacity (cause its free) and quite easy to use...

and Nossie, I like your Avatar, great colour pallette and use of geometric shape, its a little hard to see at that size but it looks as though their gagging and exploding at the same time... cheers > Ron
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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2011, 01:25:26 AM »

Thank you Smiley I have done some sculpture and stuff myself, but it's a pretty messy thing to be doing, and the materials are hard to get for me around here, so I didn't really continue much with that. It's a lot of fun though, sculpting even the smallest things Smiley

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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2011, 12:01:57 PM »

I have never heard of Audacity before, but free is always good!  Cheesy Yes, Macromedia Fireworks is fun, Illistrator is amazing, and I love Photoshop. Flash is also a good program but a bit harder to use. My music composition is what I do best, besides writing...I was almost 1/2 way done with my novel when the computor crashed and I lost almost everything.  Angry Composing, I don't really know how I do it...stuff will just come to me while I practice playing the piano or in my sleep. And Nossie, you did your Avatar yourself? Very impressive! Love the color spectrum.  Wink If sculpting material is hard for you to obtain, you can always use a small package of colored, oven-bake clay called Scupley clay or something like that...it's pretty affordable unless you want to make something over 6 inches tall or so. Lol I don't know how we're getting all this out of a goldfish thread.  Tongue
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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2011, 03:36:33 AM »

cheers Nossie, you are talented, love the concept,  its dark, which I like, but your use of colour has somehow transended that... and Goldie, flash is a very powerful tool, and its not just an animation program as a lot of people seem to use it for. I did two years of flash programming (actionscripting) and its amazing what other things it does... its a pity the people at apple seem to have such a problem with it... thanks for the info about the clay, I have heard of one that can be fired in your microwave, do you know anything about that?... I like to do mosaics and would like to make my own tiles in the old roman and greek style... and we are a bit off thread but we are getting to know each other which is nice... regards to all > Ron
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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2011, 01:31:36 AM »

Thanks Smiley I heard about the clay! (Both kinds Wink) But they are very expensive around here, even in small quantities :/
And... there's this saying I follow: "Go Big or go Home" Wink
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« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2011, 05:39:00 PM »

Go wild, Nossie.  Wink And yes, Ron, Flash is an incredible program that takes much head knowledge to use...never heard of the microwavable clay, but that sounds worth looking into.  Smiley I have a friend who's grandmother makes mosaic tiles out of shards of mirror glass and ceramic...beautiful work, you should try it; bet it would look neat around a goldfish pond!
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« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2011, 06:13:20 AM »

nice one Nossie, big is good and scale (especially the fibonacci) is one of my fav and most used design principals... and yes Goldiegirl the glass/ mirror and tile works are quite stunning and look great in the garden... we have an artist here who uses that technique on birdbaths and other garden items. cheers > Ron
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« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2011, 12:39:15 PM »

Those must be so beautiful Smiley
I'll simply assume that you already put a few of your mosaic works in the garden? Smiley Are they mostly flat things, or do you make it on, for example, pots and stuff too?
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« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2011, 07:49:58 PM »

yes they do look beautiful... and it takes a while to get the hang of it... we started to learn on small items like bottles, pots, jugs etc... I have some pics somewhere, I will post them on the arts/crafts thread later... at the moment (when we have time) we are mosaicing some large pavers with a nature theme, we are going to use them as stepping stones in the garden...
and Goldiegirl, do you have any pics of your grandmothers mosaics?, we would be very interested to have a look...
cheers all > Ron
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« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2011, 09:57:14 AM »

I wish I had pictures of the mosaics, but they aren't my grandmother's but my friend's grandmother's. They are beautiful; I wish I had photographs to share of them. They are mostly used for hanging on walls inside, or to frame large round mirrors. The only garden stepping stones I have are made of stucco.  Grin
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Re: On Choosing Healthy Goldfish
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2011, 06:36:52 AM »

Thanks for the tips with the fish.

I was checking out some Shubunkin fish at a local pet shop, but I saw a number of them had really red gills which would more than likely be due to ammonia poisoning, I assume? If I got a fish with these symptoms, is it easily treatable? I'm just thinking how it'd be nice to help the fish and if they are poorly of something that's treatable to buy them and make them better. Although I'm not sure if that's a great idea for someone like me with not much experience XD

Also its nice to see how creative everyone is  Smiley We should have a thread just for pictures of art work!
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Re: On Choosing Healthy Goldfish
« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2011, 02:51:15 PM »

Red gills is healthy, bright red Smiley You don't want them to look dark red or spotted.
I'll assume that you've been looking at the slightly transparent gill covers of calico colored fish, like the shubunkin and gotten the idea that the fish is sick Grin It's completely healthy, shubunkins will have transparent skin in places, so it may look stranger than "normal" colors Smiley

If there's anything wrong with the gills in general, there's rather no way you could treat it since you probably wouldn't be able to diagnose the correct pathogen. There can be a wide range of parasites and bacteria assaulting the fishes' gills, making it harder for the fish to oxygenate their blood. Fish that suffer from various gill diseases will usually not move much at all in the first place and be obviously distressed. (Other symptoms are also very common on such a weakened fish.)
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« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2011, 03:19:02 PM »

Aww that's good to hear! It only worried me because some of the gills were red and some weren't, so with them all being in the same tank I had this crazy idea there was a terrible disease that hadn't yet spread to the other fish XD Then google said red gills could mean ammonia poisoning... Oh dear... I think I just get a little carried away sometimes Grin
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« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2011, 03:53:43 AM »

Google says so much, especially when one doesn't know what to look for Wink It's really common for newbies who just are learning about disease to start seeing it EVERYWHERE on their fish and kill them by overtreating and then saying that the fish was "sick with Ichthyophthirius miltifiliis Tongue (White spot or ich) While the fish actually just had breeding tubercles, or a little white dot on a fin Wink
It's the same problem for medical students, they notice all kinds of terrible problems with their health when they know too much xD

Just for fun though, here are a few pictures where you can see the clear difference between a goldfish with the pigment over the gill covers, and one with completely transparent gill covers... both perfectly healthy Smiley

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Notice how this one is pretty transparent allover the body, that's because the metallic layer on the scales is missing, so you can see the skin and the internal organs to some extent under the scales and colors Smiley (In one of my calicos you could see the ribcage)

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This one on the other hand only has some metallic scales on the body and a largely transparent head, while the gill covers still hold the metallic layer Smiley
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