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fantailer
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Orbitz
« on: June 04, 2012, 02:46:09 PM »

Orbitz is lethargic, laying on the bottom of the tank, she has very small dots on near her back fins. She is also opening her mouth like yawning a lot.
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2012, 03:17:02 PM »

That sounds like a reaction to bad water quality Huh Have you tested the water recently?
By "near her back fins" do you mean around her belly and caudal peduncle? What kind of spots?
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2012, 06:01:23 AM »

I did a 50% water change not too long ago and I tested the water last night and it was all safe. 0 amnonia 0 nitrate 5 nitrite.

The spots are on her belly and caudal fins. They are faint red dots not on the surface of her scales but under her scales.
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2012, 07:16:04 AM »

Red dots or spots under the scales is usually an indication of a bacterial infection.  You should isolate your goldfish in a separate tank and treat it with an antibacteria medication that is easily absorbed through the skin. You can also feed it antibiotic fish food if your goldfish is still eating.  Increase aeration and surface agitation to help your fish recover.    Don't treat it in your main tank since some medication can kill the bio filter.
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2012, 07:28:02 AM »

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I did a 50% water change not too long ago and I tested the water last night and it was all safe. 0 amnonia 0 nitrate 5 nitrite.

The spots are on her belly and caudal fins. They are faint red dots not on the surface of her scales but under her scales.
I'm assuming that you got the nitrate/nitrite readings the wrong way round...

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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2012, 07:30:11 AM »

I'd second the bacterial infections. Do you see any bloody streaks in the fins or anything?
In case you didn't mix up the nitrite/nitrate readings, your tank is in desperate need of a water change!
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2012, 11:15:48 AM »

She has dropsy her scales have started to pine cone!!!!

Yes I tested this morning and I found out that the tests were this Amnonia 0 Nitrite 0 Nitrate 5-10 I can't really tell exactly.

Thanks for giving me the website scrivens I going to add salt, do a water change, and look in the store for any medicines.

Should I look for any certain medicine?

Thank you all for your help.
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2012, 11:57:05 AM »

Ok...dropsy is a symptom that may have a number of causes.

You could try a broad-spectrum anti-biotic

remove any carbon from your filter system, before use

Don't add salt if she's pine-coning it will increase the osmotic pressure

try lowering the water level...and above all keep the water as clean as you can
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2012, 06:27:59 PM »

Should I add Pimafix and Melafix?

If I do could I do it at the same time?
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2012, 05:47:57 AM »

This morning Orbitz is doing a little better the pine coning is not as severe and there are less red internal dots.
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2012, 11:17:06 AM »

Don't bother with either melafix or pimafix, they're honestly shit when it comes to treating anything. They work if your fish has a little wound or something (which they'd probably heal themselves anyway), but try the antibiotic or something instead.

When Samurai pineconed I put her in a 75 liter quarantine tank with the internal filter from the main tank and treated her with bactopur by sera. Fed her some peas and tubifex and changed water whenever the instructions of the medicine told me to.
I actually gave up at one point when I added the second dose of medicine and just sort of waited until she'd die on me like the others did, but suddenly the pineconing stopped and turned into this little wound on the side, as if it was being squeezed out o_O
She's been perfectly healthy ever since. Seems that sometimes you get lucky, and it's possible to treat dropsy with some common medication!
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2012, 04:47:45 PM »

I think maybe it depends on what caused the dropsy? If it's something to do with the internal organs, not a huge amount you can do surely? But if it's caused by something else like a bacterial infection, then maybe it's more likely to heal?
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2012, 04:31:57 AM »

Yes of course. Sometimes there's just excess liquid in the body which can be treated with epsom salts, sometimes there's a beginning kidney failure that can't be helped. In Samurai's case it seemed to be physical trauma that caused the pineconing Smiley It happens that goldfish get just a spot with raised scales and then you can treat it with hydrogen peroxide.
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2012, 05:12:29 AM »

Orbitz's pineconing is just in one spot. So where do I find hydrogen peroxide?
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2012, 06:55:44 AM »

Pharmacies sell it generally Smiley You just dab it on with a q-tip, as mentioned in that thread about hydrogen peroxide, I'm sure you've seen it Smiley I'd still add some antibiotic foods or possibly medicine to the water as well just to be sure...
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2012, 02:05:49 PM »

what is the cause of the red spots on the body and red streaks on the tail? as one of my new ryukins got this yesterday and died later that day before I could do anything about it, I did a 50% water change aswell as soon as I noticed it when I woke up as he was eating well last night, sad really as he didint even get to go in to his new tank when the shubunkins move out in a few days when my parents friend pond is ready.
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2012, 02:41:59 PM »

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what is the cause of the red spots on the body and red streaks on the tail? as one of my new ryukins got this yesterday and died later that day before I could do anything about it, I did a 50% water change aswell as soon as I noticed it when I woke up as he was eating well last night, sad really as he didint even get to go in to his new tank when the shubunkins move out in a few days when my parents friend pond is ready.
Red streaks in the fins often indicates NITRITE poisoning
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2012, 06:59:08 PM »

I'll do a 50% water change. The pine coning is gone. She is swimming more but not as much as he should.

Thank you again everybody.
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2012, 10:17:06 PM »

Sounds like he's on the mend Grin
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2012, 05:15:06 AM »

Yes scrivens she is!

But I have bad news she isn't eating.
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2012, 06:57:18 AM »

I have worse news.
Right after posting my last post Orbitz got stuck in the filter. I add Melafix to the water because she had some wounds. Then a couple minutes later I found her dead.

Rip Orbitz.
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2012, 07:02:37 AM »

Sorry to hear that. I know that you did all you could Cry
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2012, 08:27:07 AM »

Aww no I'm so sorry to hear that Sad
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2012, 10:41:29 AM »

Sorry for your loss Sad Fish that won't eat is always a bad sign..
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2012, 06:52:24 AM »

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what is the cause of the red spots on the body and red streaks on the tail? as one of my new ryukins got this yesterday and died later that day before I could do anything about it, I did a 50% water change aswell as soon as I noticed it when I woke up as he was eating well last night, sad really as he didint even get to go in to his new tank when the shubunkins move out in a few days when my parents friend pond is ready.
Red streaks in the fins often indicates NITRITE poisoning
the other ryukin in the tank has not showed any red spots our streaks, wouldnt it affect both fish then? as my other fish is fine and all lonley now gonna get him a new friend whe the shubunkins get put in the pond
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2012, 09:44:26 AM »

Sorry to hear Sad. Hope your other fish will be ok.
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2012, 12:31:24 PM »

cambojnr: No, some fish are more sensitive than others and will react to different levels of pollution in the water. Some of mine get little tears in their tails if I don't change water after exactly a week or less.
Have you tested the water? Have you changed out half of it or more?
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2012, 03:10:01 PM »

as soon as I saw this I changed the 50% but later in the night he/she died, as it didint have and conditions in the morning as it was not eating and i knew sumic was wrong but I had to go out and  when i got in later it had streaks and died 2 hours later, but the other fish looks fine eating swimming about looking for food in the gravel and will be getting put in the 60l when the pond is ready for the shubunkins as its getting cleaned as its full of frogs and muck.
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2012, 06:14:44 PM »

I'm so sorry fantailer.
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2012, 05:16:16 AM »

Cambonjr, when I had issues with ammonia, Star died without warning, I woke up and he was gone. Lucky however even though being in the same conditions swam about perfectly fine. Keep an eye on the water quality and do any water changes if something is out of the ordinary; so if ammonia and nitrite aren't 0ppm, or if nitrate  is above 40ppm then do water changes accordingly.

Glad to hear the shubunkins get a pond home soon though Smiley Must be some work cleaning a pond and it's filter all out Cheesy
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