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cambojnr
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2012, 10:59:11 AM »

thanks, and luckily I dont have to clean the pond, deal was they said they would clean it all out  and get it ready and i would supply the fish,
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #31 on: June 10, 2012, 01:19:51 PM »

Oh cool, sounds like a good deal Cheesy Will you be helping them with the regular maintenance like cleaning filters/partial water change, or will they take care of that too? Smiley
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #32 on: June 10, 2012, 01:58:02 PM »

they live a while away from me so will just be given them the fish and letting them do it they had them in the past but they died a few winters ago when it was really cold like -20, so they just gave up after that but when I was talking to my mam about giving them awy to a pond she said her friends were setting there pond back up an would take them so thats whats happening, and I'am just gonna have 2 baby ryukins in my tank.
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #33 on: June 10, 2012, 02:05:51 PM »

if i remember i'll take pics of them in there new home when I put them in
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2012, 02:19:18 PM »

Awesome! Smiley How big was your tank again? There are so many people and even more tanks to try and keep track of on this forum xD
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #35 on: June 11, 2012, 09:05:18 AM »

my tank is 60l and a 20l the 60l has 4 shubunkins in which are going in the pond and the 20l has 1 ryukin as 1 died suddenly, but because I dont want the fish to be lonley in the 60l by itself am going to get it another ryukin friend when the bunkins leave.
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2012, 10:36:28 AM »

Why do yuo think the Ryukin died? OVERCROWDING and yet you want to get another....... Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2012, 12:43:56 PM »

Cambonjr, 60 litres isn't big enough for two fancy goldfish I'm afraid.
You need at least 80 - 100 litres for the first fish and then an additional 40 litres for each fish you add.

So for two fancy goldfish, you'd need a minimum of 120 litres.

You could always re-home the Ryukin and set up your 60 litre as a tropical tank, it'd be ideal for some of the smaller tropical species. Plus that way you could have more than just 2 fish in the tank.
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2012, 05:07:13 PM »

I agree with scrivens and Skwishee. It's great that you found a pond to give the shubunkins away to, but you need to make a more suitable home for your ryukins as well! If you want to keep goldfish specifically, a 150 liter tank is a very nice tank for two goldfish... Smiley
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« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2012, 05:37:02 PM »

right ffs 60l is ample for these fish and they are getting a better home with me than going in to some kids 10l tank where they will get no water changes ever and live in horrible conditions for there short lives,  and the fact that even though I have 4 shubunkins in my 60l and the water results are all 0ppm is pretty good I think as I do 20% every 2 days cause I enjoy looking after my fish and keeping there conditions perfect, also I do not have room our the funds for a bigger tank, atleast with me although there tank may be abit smaller they are going to live alot longer than as I already stated with some little kid, so stop raining on peoples parade with they need this much water and your tank is to small as 99% of the time these fish would be going to shit homes. as years ago before I knew anything about fish I was one of those kids who had a fish in a 10l tank that did not even have a filter and somehow it managed to live for 7 years. sorry about the rant but it is just annoying, and I know you guys know some stuff and have amazing setups and i will have a big tank in a year our 2, and you know your selfs that 99% of people who buy fish have no idea about the fish they are buying right I could go on but am tired and its been nice here and I have learned abit and thanks for that but sorry again and mean no offence to you guys and gals but goodbye
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2012, 05:51:44 PM »

I'm sorry but do you know how big Ryukins can get?Huh? Also do you know the damage that stunting can cause?? A 60L tank may be suitable for a few months but not for 2 years. I had a shubunkin and a comet in a 60L tank for 5 months before they got too big for it and I had to get a 180L for them. I know people don't always look after their fish properly but there are shops that make sure you have a relative good set up for them and make sure you know that they need a big tank eventually. You came here because you wanted to look after your fish properly we have given you the information you need to look after them properly then tell us we are wrong and you are right. You are worse than those 99% of people you mentioned because they mistreat their fish due to ignorance you are doing it out of choice!!!!!!! I pity that poor fish!
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #41 on: June 12, 2012, 03:05:48 AM »

Cambonjr, you are right, goldfish are severely mistreated, but you cannot say 'the fish would be worse off over there' to try and justify your own mistreatment. As for goldfish living a long life in unsuitable conditions, that fish was surviving, not thriving. Just because one fish managed to survive in unsuitable conditions for so long, does not mean all goldfish should be kept like that, or kept in small aquaria.

Fancy goldfish minimum stocking is 20 gallons/80 litres for the first fish and 10 gallons/40 litres for each additional fish.
Goldfish grow to massive proportions, just look at Scriven's photo album, his ryukin is absolutely massive.
60L will be okay as a temporary set up, but the fish will out grow it and need a bigger tank eventually.

I know it's frustrating to hear, I have my common goldfish in a 100 litre tank or so by herself, because adding another fish in there would believe it or not, over stock the tank. As Lucky will still need to be moved on to to a bigger tank or pond later. It is hard to believe when I sit here and look at a 3-4 inch fish! But she is still young and hopefully will grow to a beautiful size -that is unless keeping her in the smaller tank has stunted her- But I know it's what she needs to have the best fishy life possible, I don't know if I can afford a bigger tank or manage a pond, which is why I may have to re-home her sooner or later. I don't really want too, but if it's the best thing for her, then I'll do it.
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #42 on: June 12, 2012, 04:03:27 AM »

Do you realize why we have these "amazing" setups? It sure as **** isn't for bragging if that's what you're wondering. I happened to buy far too many fish at one point and I needed to find a large tank to house them all, I had six goldfish spread in a 40 and a 30 liter tank. For these little things I bought a 300 liter tank and only two of the original six fish are now alive. That's what stunting does.

We are trying to help the people that come here, including you, and if you're too stuck up to believe what has been proven truth to fish-keepers for years and years, you might as well stay at home and kill your ryukins for fun Smiley I don't need you to take care of your pets, I'm a person on the internet as far as you're concerned, it's your pets that need you to take care of them. No doubt you want a bunch of fish for bragging rights and not to keep them healthy and thriving.

I'll just quote Vicloz here:
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You are worse than those 99% of people you mentioned because they mistreat their fish due to ignorance you are doing it out of choice!!!!!!! I pity that poor fish!
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #43 on: June 12, 2012, 05:02:20 AM »

Baby Ryukin
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #44 on: June 12, 2012, 08:14:54 PM »

Wow....I can't believe someone would be so stubborn to sacrifice their fishes to have everything in their tank.

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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #45 on: June 14, 2012, 10:40:19 AM »

well just though i'd let you know that I found a new pond for my shubunkins which is 400'000 gallons which is owned by an aquatics store owner and they will be going in there tomorrow as I dropped them of at his shop today which also took the ryukin, here is the pond.
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #46 on: June 15, 2012, 04:01:13 AM »

That's awesome to hear Cambonjr Smiley You've done a good job there. That pond looks amazing!

So what are you going to have in the 60 litre? Grin There's a website I use, that I forget if I've given you the link for; (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)
But if you put in your tank size and filtration, click the button that says 'Display only species suitable for your tank', you will have an array of results, I would still suggest researching individual species that take your fancy, but it might help give you an idea of what you could have in there  Cheesy
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #47 on: June 15, 2012, 05:42:11 AM »

its already set up for tropical and have 7 neon tetras in there bag sitting in the tank waiting to be released soon, as I went to the shop earlier and got reccomended these so gonna wait 2 week before I get maybe some guppys our sumic our a cory to join them.
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #48 on: June 15, 2012, 06:04:53 AM »

Sounds like a good plan.
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« Reply #49 on: June 15, 2012, 08:19:17 AM »

Ah wicked ^_^

Just a bit of info, I apologise if I'm repeating info you already know, but;
Guppies being live bearers, will breed like rabbits, so if you chose those, you'd need to be able to take the juveniles somewhere, or buy guppies of one gender. They need to be kept in shoals I believe, so you'd probably need 6.
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Corydora's species, have many different variations, you'd possibly want one of the smaller types looking around Pygmy Cory grow to 3cm and Pepper/Sterbai/Bronze varieties grow to 7cm. You also need to keep cory's in groups of 6, so keep that in mind Wink
Cory's also need soft substrate because of their barbels.
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Just be careful not to over stock Smiley So I would imagine you could pick either the cory or guppies? Possibly put all the details into the aq advisor and see what it say's? I'm not too sure on stocking tropical tanks!

Be sure to show us photo's  Grin
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« Reply #50 on: June 15, 2012, 09:18:28 AM »

already been reading up and not gonna get guppies now cause as you said breed like rabbits and have like 50 young each at a time, wouldent be so bad if I had some where  to put them and then sell them on to. but Dwarf gourami look good just 2 though male & female as spawing for them looks hard to achieve which is what I want, but I  might have to get another small filter like a fluval u1,  according to that advisor but with me having the 4 shubunkins in and the filter still having all 0 results I think it will be able to coap as I have extra filter wool stuffed in it, but will probs get a fluval u1 if there like 15 as with the 7 neons and 2 gourami and 4 pygmy cory it say stocking level 71% with having them fully grown, and still have 57% of safe filter  space and still 29% understocked. so will try achieve this over the next 4-6weeks.
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #51 on: June 15, 2012, 12:32:43 PM »

Dwarf gouramis are a good choice for a community tank! So are honey gouramis, similar color but they grow a little bit bigger Smiley
Notice that you need to calculate 2 liters of water for every 1cm of adult fish body when you stock your tank (or 1 gallon/inch)
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« Reply #52 on: June 15, 2012, 02:15:15 PM »

Ah so that's the rule for tropical tanks? Wouldn't that rule mean the tanks fully stocked with just the tetras?  Huh

60 liters = 30cm of fish, and 7 tetras that grow to 4cm = 28cm??  So why would the advisor say its fine? Man tropical tanks don't make much sense to me XD

Also the Cory's will need to be in a group of at least 6  Smiley
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #53 on: June 15, 2012, 03:09:40 PM »

not gonna be getting corys now as they need sand and I have gravel, and yeah thats what I was told 1cm of fish to every litre of water as when I put a brisslenose pleco in with just the tetras it said it would grow to big for my tank I just need to get another filter if I want any more fish after the gouramis even though my filter had cycled in month with the 4 shubunkins in which were messy as **** think it was down to the fact that i have filled the back up with 2 layers of filter wool to allow more bacteria to grow but i get my gouramis some time in the next week our 2 just cause the tank looks empty with 7 tiny fish inand any one had experience with gouramis befrore? as was thinking of getting a male and a female but read that the male might attack the female so would I be better of with 2 females as I'll just ask the shop owner next time am in what he thinks.
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #54 on: June 15, 2012, 03:39:05 PM »

whatever you do don't get two male gouramis. 60L you could have one bristlenoseBristlenose plec
Alternative Name(s): Bushynose plec
Scientific Name(s): Ancistrus sp.
Category: Tropical
Difficulty: [2]
Maximum Size: 13cms
Minimum Tank Volume: 60 litres
Minimum Tank Size: 2ft
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« Reply #55 on: June 15, 2012, 05:32:54 PM »

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whatever you do don't get two male gouramis. 60L you could have one bristlenoseBristlenose plec
Alternative Name(s): Bushynose plec
Scientific Name(s): Ancistrus sp.
Category: Tropical
Difficulty: [2]
Maximum Size: 13cms
Minimum Tank Volume: 60 litres
Minimum Tank Size: 2ft
i was looking at them but on the advisor it says its not suitable for my tank as it may eventually outgrow my tank space at 10.2cm but i shall ask in the shop as just gonna get a male and female gourami and plant my tank abit more to help the female hide abit more for if the male gets aggresive and leave it for a few weeks to see if how my filter get on the maybe get one of those plecos to complete my tank.
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #56 on: June 16, 2012, 12:11:30 AM »

The gourAamis need as much room as the bristlenoses:Maximum Size: 5cms
Minimum Tank Volume: 60 litres
Minimum Tank Size: 24" x 12" x 12"
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #57 on: June 16, 2012, 05:32:24 AM »

yes but the gouramis only grow to 5cm each where as th plec can grow to 13cm, either way gonna get some bogwood and modify it to stick to the glass so i can easily clean underneath it and then get 2 gouramis next friday and the plec 2 weeks after that
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #58 on: June 16, 2012, 06:05:59 AM »

yes BUT gouramis need a heck of a lot more swim room, they whizz around
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Re: Orbitz
« Reply #59 on: June 16, 2012, 08:54:09 AM »

I have a three-spot gourami in the community tank at my parents' place, he's really peaceful and nice to the fish once he gets used to them. Before he was a little aggressive to new-comers but we did the separation treatment on him and he's learned to behave. Of course, three-spot gouramis are more aggressive than many other kinds.

You need to have a heater, and if you want to keep neon tetras successfully, you need bogwood and blackwater treatment to make the water soft and acidic to meet their requirements.
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