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Goldiegirl
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Panda Moor Goldfish?
« on: June 25, 2011, 06:02:06 PM »

I've been considering purchasing a baby panda moor butterfly-tail goldfish. However, my fish tend to lighten up drastically within the first few hours of being in my main tank. That makes me concerned to shell out $30 for a fish that may end up looking completely white.

The temperature runs about 72 degrees F; dunno if this effects coloring at all.

How much do y'all think the fish would lighten up? Would it retain some color around the eyes and tail, or would it wash out totally? Sorry this is kind of an obscure question.

Please help!  Wink
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2011, 10:44:40 PM »

I love pandas, they are on my wish list Smiley  Unfortunately, I haven't known many to retain their black coloring into adulthood, not a big deal for me since I really enjoy watching color changes, but disappointing if that's not what you like.
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2011, 08:06:35 AM »

Since they're usually black, I don't think it would be affected by the temperature/light in your tank too much Smiley

However, as MB says, they tend to lose their special color markings as they grow older :/
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2011, 06:32:59 PM »

Hmm. Thanks for the input, both.  Smiley I just loooove the panda coloring...those dark patches on their eyes, tail and back just do things to my heart, lol. My black moor hasn't changed a bit since I've had him (it's been...what...2 years?) but then again, all my other fish that have black on them just wash out. All the other colors stay (i.e. red, orange, white, silver...) but black/brown tones just vanish for some weird reason.

Still undecided... Roll Eyes so torn!
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2011, 03:12:00 PM »

Moors are the only goldfish who can keep their black color through their lives Smiley All the other fish seem to lose it for some reason. Unless it's just some black markings.
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2011, 07:19:20 PM »

That's so weird. And yet, when you put them outside their colors virtually explode, due to sun, bugs, and different temps.
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2011, 01:59:54 AM »

Interesting o____o
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2011, 05:39:24 PM »

Well I guess I won't get one...now anyways. Though they are beautiful fish, I'd prefer to skip the risk and save the cash.
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2011, 09:40:31 AM »

So far, I haven't noticed a difference in price between an oranda, fantail or moor. Or actually, moors tend to be one euro cheaper, but other than that, they're all the same. Even the pearl scales! However, there seems to be a pretty big price difference between the varieties there?
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2011, 02:04:52 PM »

Yes, fantails can usually be purchased (at Petsmart anyways) for very cheap; around $1.99. The larger ones (around 4 inches or so) are $6. Orandas are sold based on size, not quality, the smaller ones being $5 (the pearlscales as well) and the larger ones anywhere from $6-14. Moors are much more pricy than fantails at $5. We can't get exotic varieties unless we go to a specialty store or shop from an online source.
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2011, 06:02:38 PM »

To get exotics go to small stores. I have one near me and sometimes its stocked up with eggfish, Bubble eyes and panda moors!
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2011, 07:37:45 PM »

Wow, lucky you! A small store about an hour away from my house occasionally has pompoms or lionfish, but I don't buy there ever since they sold me a goldfish with dropsy... Angry
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2011, 04:58:00 AM »

Hi all, when we bought some zebra danio's at the store recently and the water they were in was quite cold around 10 degrees C, we noticed their stripe colours seemed very muted, when we got them home and intoduced to some warmer water within a day the stripes and colours had changed and were as bright as the others that we already had... maybe its a combination of factors that affect colour?... and Nossie, the danio's are working out great with the goldfish, thanks for the tip... > Ron
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2011, 12:59:51 PM »

10 degrees? That's far too cold for the poor danios Sad Good thing you took them home! Some tropical fish will turn pale if the water is too hard or if it's too cold, it's obvious when looking at discus fish, who usually are a strong blue/turquoise, but will turn all pinkish pale if the water isn't right.
Glad to hear everything's going well with them Smiley
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2011, 07:12:24 PM »

Good to hear your danios got their color back...I think that same thing occurs with guppies too; when I had them in water without a heater they got very pale, then turned vibrant with a heater. Tropical fish are different that way I guess...For some reason the colder the water, the brighter the fish.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2011, 05:28:04 AM »

yes, love the Danio's,  Smiley it was way too cold for them Sad , also they were a little undernourished compared to my other little guys, I could also see undigested food in the intestines (I think because of the cold water), which took a day or two to clear, looking much better now. That reminds me, the other week I was in the dentist's (that was a barbaric experience) and he had a large aquarium with what I think was a red parrot fish (more like a pink colour though), what a cutie, it had a face like this emoticon Grin without the teeth though... no kidding, a big fat grin on its face, you could not help but smile back and have a little giggle...  Cheesy regards > Ron
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2011, 06:36:33 AM »

I would love to see that fish! Parrot fish are so very cute! Cheesy
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2011, 05:49:39 AM »

I saw another parrot fish at the aquarium shop and although he had a grin it wasn't as well rounded as the one at the dentists... I was surprised to see the aquarium shop also had a 6ft saltwater crocodile in a huge aquarium as well, it still wasn't big enough for him, poor thing he couldn't be all that happy in there... > Regards Ron
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2011, 06:39:49 AM »

Wow!! A saltwater croc!!!
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2011, 10:21:58 AM »

Oh my, how cute about the parrot fish! He would look so cheerful on a get-well-card I'm sure. Cheesy
It's sad about the crocodile...he should be out in the wild, not trapped in a tiny (to him) tank.  Sad And 6 feet is a whole lot of croc... Shocked
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« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2011, 10:16:08 AM »

yeah its not good, apparently he's been there for a while and he's for sale too, I suppose whoever brought him would have to meet certain conditions associated with the permit to keep him but it still doesnt seem to be a fair life at the moment for the croc... > Ron
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2011, 04:31:06 PM »

Lets hope its at a good zoo or something.
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2011, 12:25:47 AM »

I have a panda moor goldfish. (He's in my pic.) We've had him since march.  He's mainly white whith black fins, eyes & lips - very cute emo makeup! When we brought him home his colour started changing - but went darker not lighter. He started getting darker patches across his back. Strangely after we got home from a week's holiday in April (had been with us about 3 wks) he had changed back! No one has been able to explain what happened to us. His colour has been stable ever since.
I have heard that it depends on their breeding as to whether their colour remains stable. He is our favorite goldie & it wouldn't really matter if his colour did change but I hope not. Time will tell.
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2011, 03:33:02 AM »

Wow thats wierd. Undecided
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2011, 04:32:54 AM »

Black patches are usually a sign of ammonia burns, which is most likely the case since they disappeared after a while.
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2011, 07:20:35 AM »

There were 2 other goldfish in the tank that were totally unaffected. One was a calico fantail & the other a black moor. Would ammonia burns only show up on lighter fish? It was a 40l tank & the water in the tank was changed 25% weekly. Admittedly I didn't have a test kit at the time so I have no idea if the ammonia was spiking. The tank had been set up for 5 weeks when the panda was added & had possibly not cycled properly. This was our first tank & I have been on a very steep learning curve since then.
The fish are now in a much bigger tank & if it was ammonia burn I'm so glad I didn't kill them with my inexperience. At least the mystery may have been solved.
Below are some pics I found of the black patches & also his normal colouring. Does this look like ammonia burn? (Sory pic quality not great - 10yo daughter took pics)
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2011, 01:22:59 PM »

Thank you, mum2703, for your information.  Smiley They do look like the black burns associated with an ammonia spike, and seeing as you had an overstocked tank without a test kit, it was likely these that showed up on your panda moor. They go away after a bit, which explains why they aren't there anymore. Ammonia burns will show up on all fish no matter the coloring, but more sensitive fish may exhibit them wheras others do not, I have found in my experience.

Regardless, it is a beautiful fish with lovely coloring!  Cheesy Where did you get s/he?  Huh
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2011, 09:25:53 PM »

I live near Adelaide in South Australia. Luckily our LFS had some in stock. My daughter, who loves everything panda, just had to have one even though they were much more expensive than your regular goldie ($19AUD), so I went halves with her. Now I know about the ammonia burn I feel so bad about what we did to poor little Wonton. Cry  I'm so glad he came thru it okay! He really is a gorgeous little fish! Smiley I've learnt so much over the past few months about fish keeping & these forums have been invaluable so thankyou everyone for your help- past, present & future.

I'm calling little Wonton a 'he' because even though he isn't showing any tubercles yet, he seems to be displaying male behaviour.  He chases our little girl goldie & the other 2 boys (who have tubercles) don't chase him. Is this a fair assumption?

Also just on Goldiegirl's original post, our tank (165l) runs at a constant temp very similar to yours & Wonton's colour is stable after 4 mths.
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2011, 09:37:27 PM »

This is a recent pic of Wonton taken about a week ago, showing his colour as strong as when we first got him (refer pics re ammonia burn). Personally, I'd take the risk & get one.
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Re: Panda Moor Goldfish?
« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2011, 04:09:37 AM »

You can't really gender a goldfish based only on their behavior. The boys may not be chasing "her" around because, for example, she's not sexually mature and doesn't give out the chemicals that a female producing eggs does. There could be a number of reasons, really!

But you could try to take a look at her/his vent, if it's protruding and round, it's a girl, but if it's more oval shaped, it's a boy Smiley
It depends of course on how old the fish is, it's much easier to see on a bigger, older fish Smiley
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