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April
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pH dropped a few points
« on: December 07, 2010, 01:29:50 PM »

When I started feeding Mr. Tailer today I noticed he was 'jittery' shooting around a little bit so I immediately tested everything. I had a slight (less than half a point) increase in ammonia since yesterday, nitrites zero but pH is almost 6.5 now...could this change cause his unusual behavior? I have taken a gallon and a half out of the old tank (water is perfect) and added it to the new one. I can feel myself starting to freak out :S
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Mindemae
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2010, 02:59:55 PM »

How often are you feeding him and how much?
When my tanks are doing the mini cycle thing I feed only once a day or once every other day until the tank is completely cycled.
Add more beneficial bacteria since they will eat the ammonia.
What is the normal pH of your tap water?
The "jittery", shooting around behavior could be because of the pH.  At 6.5 your pH is slightly acid.
Do you have any pH up?
You could use that or the Seachem products and check the pH again after an hour or so.
Sorry I don't use those products.  Maybe Hanna can advise how to use them. Smiley
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2010, 03:11:52 PM »

I have a pH-raising product, you add 5 ml per 30L of aquarium water at most once per hour, and at a maximum of twice/three times a day. His strange behavior is most likely due to an uncomfortable change in the aquarium water, so just change maybe half of it and add lots of beneficial bacteria Smiley Those pH-changing products, imo, are a waste of money, since you will need them incredibly seldom.

Aside from that, Minde covered it all Smiley I'd ask the same questions as she does Wink
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April
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2010, 04:59:31 PM »

Normal tap water is approx. 7.5 Minde and I was going to do a water change Nossie, until I discovered the high ammonia in the tap water again. Sometimes I wish I lived in the woods away from all the crap in the city. Not a good day sorry for ranting. Anyway I will be going to the big fish place tomorrow and will check out if they have any of this stuff but I'll just get a tiny bottle. In the meantime I keep an eye on him and if need be I can pop him back in the little tank. My only concern doing this though would be the differences in pH from one tank to the other.
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2010, 05:19:51 PM »

HI APRIL,

just reading this before going to work.
Mr. Tailer is darting around because pH 6.5 irritates him. Water is too acidic for him. I had this happen too a few months ago when Hump and Hep were in the small tank and once even in the big tank. Ever since I use those "Neutralizer Blocks" they buffer the water and keep the pH at 7.0 which is perfectly fine.
Please don't move Tailor back, this would be too much stress for him again. Get those blocks, they disolve slowly and keep pH stable

Here is a link which explains different reasons why pH can drop ( but don't be confused when they talk about pH 7.8 and higher ) We want the pH to be 7 or 7.6 ideally. It is about the principle.

Another thing: did you test in the evening? Evos and night times pH is lower due to more CO2.
You can increase the aeration and maybe a tad less food for now.

To spend money on pH UP or pH DOWN depends on the water you,ve got. Our water out of the tap is over pH 8.0, so I have to adjust it.
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2010, 05:30:23 PM »

April,
Your normal tap water is perfect pH so may be doing a water change would be good until you can go to the store. Smiley
If you have ammonia in the tap water just add beneficial bacteria when you do the water change.  Add it right to your filter media~
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2010, 05:33:52 PM »

You could feed your fish a bit of orange pulp.
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2010, 05:37:24 PM »

Uh, no Fantailer that would not help this situation.
Oranges/orange pulp is acidic so would lower the pH even more! Smiley
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April
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2010, 06:09:02 PM »

Oh thank you so much for your quick responses! I managed to switch out another 4 gallons using the perfect cycled water from the little tank and it has made a difference. It is sitting around 6.9 now thank goodness my throat was starting to close Sad my poor Tailer. He just looks up at me with those huge circle eyes like 'it's ok Mama it wasn't too uncomfortable and thank you for trying...oh and you wouldn't happen to have any more snacks would you?' Wink

I will check it again in an hour to see if there's any further change Undecided Thank you so much for your support regarding my sweet pudgy boy ♥ Will get me some neutralizer blocks for sure I tested the water around 1:30 this afternoon Hanna, and turned the bubbles way up so he's more or less surfing!

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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2010, 06:12:44 AM »

Whoops! Sorry I am not that smart with pH enless I am testing it. Huh
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2010, 06:36:53 AM »

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Whoops! Sorry I am not that smart with pH enless I am testing it. Huh

Just to get you started: pH 7.0 is neutral.
Anything below it is acidic and anything above it is alkalinic or basic
The pH scale ranges from 0 to 14. 
The pH scale is logarithmic, not linear. This means that each whole pH value below 7 is ten times more acidic than the next higher value.
For example, pH 4 is ten times more acidic than pH 5 and 100 times (10 times 10) more acidic than pH 6 and 1000 times more acidic than 7 ( neutral ).
Going from neutral up to pH 8, this one is ten times more basic ( alkalinic ) than pH 7.0

As a definition of pH :  pH is the measure of the concentration of Hydrogen Ions in a solution: H+ (= protons)
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2010, 07:05:28 AM »

Poor little Mr. Tailer ♥  I hope he is feeling better now.
I wonder what caused it to crash like that.
This makes me worry how quickly the pH can drop for no apparent reason.
I should really check my pH more Roll Eyes How often does everyone on here test it?
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2010, 07:09:14 AM »

I usually test once a week the whole test kit before I do a water change to see what need to be adjusted and how much water if any needs to be changed.   I test again during the week if someone is acting a little from the normal behavoir. Wink
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2010, 09:04:09 AM »

I test it only once in a while actually d: But in the quarantine system I check it either every day, or every second day Smiley
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2010, 05:17:03 PM »

I do exactly the same  like Mind mentioned. Once a week the whole test kit and also as soon as I notice a different behaviour of one of the fishies, I test asap
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2010, 11:51:44 AM »

I am continuing to have minor problems with it leveling off in the normal range so just keep adding pH balancer until it stabilizes. Off to see if I might find a little baby now Wink   
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2010, 11:55:48 AM »

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How often are you feeding him and how much?

I feed him a few soaked pellets at about 6 hour intervals throughout the day for a total of usually 10 pellets. I'm home all the time now as contract finished and probably going back to school in the new year Smiley.
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2010, 08:45:07 PM »

Tailer's tank is coming up slowly. Just checked and it is almost 7.0 another point or 2 to go. Was at the fish shop today and spent a great deal of time inspecting the goldies they had. They had a few fancy Bettas too but they were all lethargic and didn't even react to being picked up Sad I wanted to bring them all home but knew that is unrealistic. It was heartbreaking Cry Will be checking out some more tomorrow at another place. Trying to stay upbeat about everything but it is challenging right now.
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2010, 10:11:47 PM »

April, You could get a betta and once they are transfered to clean water sometimes they perk up! Smiley LOL!
C'mon where is your fishaholic spirit? Wink
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2010, 10:08:36 AM »

Everything will be fine, April! Smiley You're working so hard to give mr. Tailer a great home Smiley And I bet ANY fish you'd bring with you would thank their lucky star that you chose them Smiley
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2010, 12:02:57 PM »

Aww thank you Minde and Nossie *sniff I guess I needed to hear it again as I was losing steam. Mr. Tailer was floating on the surface last night because of air trapped in his belly. I told him "Tailer, I expect to see bubbles streaming out your cute butt after this worry!" and I fed him a few peas and he is good today. Little stinking fishtailer! Karma fest  Grin
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2010, 12:46:36 PM »

Aww, April, I agree with Minde and Nossie.
ANd how is cute Mr. Tailer going? Hope all is back to normal with him Smiley
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2010, 01:01:51 PM »

Thanks Hanna Wink He is better today but that darn pH is being a real bastige grrr. I read that I could just drop a few sea shells in the tank to gently bring it back up. The drops are so strong they will burn your skin D: the horror. Not that I did that directly LOL but it says on the bottle to wear gloves. I added the exact dose so waiting again for the 24 hr mark to add more or the shells what do you think? Online on that other face like site if ya wanna chat Wink
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2010, 01:07:46 PM »

I read yesterday somewhere on the net to avoid putting shellgrit or seashells with goldies as they would put pH up too high... Huh?

other than that, our goldies being rockstars, I'd be afraid they cut their little mouth open with those sharp edged shell pieces.

( going back to bed, hubby just left for work, prepared his 8 tablets, now I'm snoring again, lol....only 4 am here)
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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2010, 01:12:08 PM »

No worries sweet dreams for you Wink maybe see you later on there. Yeah I'm don't know either and not prepared to risk anything at this point. I did read last night on another site from an apparently experienced fellow that goldies can handle pH anywhere from 6.5 to 8.0 so wth??? who knows except the fishies! If they act jittery I would guess they are NOT diggin' the levels!
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« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2010, 05:03:20 PM »

Yes, I read this too, but at the same time it is very important that the pH doesn't fluctuate like a yoyo up and down. Most important to be stable.
But at the same time fishies are individuals and between "handle" and " feeling well and comfortable" IMO there is a big difference.

I'd say, like us humans, some feel comfortable with a higher blood pressure and show no symptoms at all, they are fine, others with a "normal" blood pressure feel discomfort because their body prefers a bit lower than normal.

Therefore if our darling Mr. Tailor acts jittery, sth must be done. Main thing if you can keep the pH 7 ish and a bit above it is perfectly fine. ( I wouldn't go to the extremes around 6.5 or 8ish )
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2010, 04:55:59 AM »

I know someone who uses to keep her pH on 8.5, and her fish are thriving, so yes, anything as long as it's stable Smiley

Have you tried to simply change more water? Like, smaller but more frequent water change. If you'd take out maybe 25-30% every second day and seeing if that would work?

(Btw, I have extremely low blood pressure Grin)
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2010, 06:57:18 AM »

Ph is one weird thing! It seems crazy that Clementine could have died because of my ph of 7.6 but is now thriving and loving life in it. I know it's because of the shock and that she just had to get use to it, but other goldies may have not survived this.
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2010, 07:17:51 AM »

My pH is high and all my fish are thriving...even my tropicals.  My pH ranges around 7.8-8.0 all the time.
Sometimes I lower the pH a bit when I treat with medication because some work better with a lower pH. Smiley
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Re: pH dropped a few points
« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2010, 08:56:48 AM »

Got a constant 7.5 in both tanks Smiley Can't see a reason why I'd need to change that Cheesy
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