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Please help Jenga!! ~UPDATED, please look
« on: November 12, 2010, 10:32:02 PM »

Hey all - I'm really worried about my goldie Jenga. She's been acting strangely all this afternoon. Unlike usual, she's been hanging listlessly in the middle area of the tank, and she's not been moving very fast. She's usually swimming around with the others, but she barely moves. She's alive and she's not been losing motor control either.

Jenga gets her portion of food, but she seems to be getting thinner. I'm not sure - do you think old age is the cause? though she's the same size as the rest of the goldies, she has a slightly humped back. Please help - I'm really worried about my girl!




UPDATE: 11-13-10

Okay - so I didn't have time to do the water change tonight Sad but I did take Jenga out and put her in a hospital "tank" (it's actually a shoe-box sized plastic container, but it works just fine) when she was acting all strangely. She's really losing her motor control now - sometimes is dangling at the top of the water on her side.  Huh Here are some pics of her in her "tank". What do you guys think? I'm worrying myself insane!

The last picture is what she looked like only a few weeks ago! Huh
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Re: Please help Jenga!!
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2010, 11:25:05 PM »

How old is Jenga?
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Re: Please help Jenga!!
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2010, 04:37:11 AM »

Did you test your water? If so, post the results here plz c:

If she's getting thinner she might be getting some internal parasites |: I suggest that you keep an eye on her, and if she actually DOES get thinner, you should buy some medicated food against internal parasites. It might be a good idea to feed it to all her tank mates as well, just to make sure Smiley
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Re: Please help Jenga!!
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2010, 10:55:37 AM »

thanks Nossie, I'll definitely do that!  Smiley

As for the water parameters, I'll test that after my water change, which I'm doing later today, so I'll get back to that.

Minde: I'm not sure how old she is - she's the same size as the others, but her back is slightly bent. It wasn't bent when I got her two months ago, though  Huh
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Re: Please help Jenga!!
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2010, 11:03:35 AM »

You should really check your water parameters before you do a water change and anytime a fish isn't acting quite right. Smiley
Your fish sounds like it could be suffering from an internal parasite/worms.  I agree with Nossie and try getting some parasite medication for internal parasites.  I know most petshops carry a medication by Jungle that is very good.
She could also have abdominal dropsy.  You could also treat her with Kanamycin + Vitamin B-6.
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2010, 03:02:25 PM »

Ok, Thanks Minde! I'll definitely check out the water parameters and see if I can get some internal parasite medication. Do you need a picture?
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Re: Please help Jenga!!
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2010, 03:19:56 PM »

Pictures are always nice! Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2010, 03:23:40 PM »

Alright - let's see if I can find my camera!  Grin
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2010, 09:48:31 PM »

Okay - so I didn't have time to do the water change tonight Sad but I did take Jenga out and put her in a hospital "tank" (it's actually a shoe-box sized plastic container, but it works just fine) when she was acting all strangely. She's really losing her motor control now - sometimes is dangling at the top of the water on her side.  Huh Here are some pics of her in her "tank". What do you guys think? I'm worrying myself insane!

(Pictures at the very top in the original message)
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Re: Please help Jenga!! ~UPDATED, please look
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2010, 11:56:09 PM »

I'ma guessing that if you do a water test you will have a clue to what is going on.
Looks like maybe ammonia/nitrite poisoning due to water quality problems from overcrowding.
That shoebox will need aeration of some sort if you plan on keeping her in that for very long, unless you want to do total water changes every day. Undecided
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Re: Please help Jenga!! ~UPDATED, please look
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2010, 04:51:05 AM »

I agree with Minde... did you try adding any salt to her hospital tank?
Is there a way you could find something bigger? Like a 5-10 gallon plastic container? You wouldn't need to fill it all the way to the top either, but add an air stone, and salt. And really, get the anti-parasite food asap!

Did you test the water yet? It'd be great if you test both the main system and the hospital setup as soon as you can!
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Re: Please help Jenga!! ~UPDATED, please look
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2010, 09:56:30 AM »

Alright - I tested the water from the hospital tank, which right now is the exact same water as in the main tank. This is what I got:


Natrate - 40 ppm
Nitrite - 0 ppm
Hardness - 150 ppm
Chlorine - 0 ppm
Alkalinity - about 40-60 ppm (the color on the test strip was in between two readings on the chart)
pH - 7.2

Anything I could change??

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I'm thinking of getting a small filter for the hospital tank thing for Jenga, and if I can find a larger something or other that isn't currently in use, I'll definitely go for it!!! My dad's going to Petco to pick up some anti-parasite food and tablets tomorrow, so I'm very thankful for that.

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A few more things -

- Jenga's getting worse. She's lost pretty much most of her motor control, and at points is dangling on her side. She also usually sits at the bottom of the container, and she's looking VERY frightened. Anything I can do to let her know she's going to be okay?? I'm so worried.
- The container also gets cold very easily. At the moment, I'm taking a small bottle and filling it with hot water, capping it, and placing it in the tank to keep at least part of it warm. I'm going to do this every few hours, whenever the bottle gets cold. Anything else I can do?
- I'll try adding the salt
- Also, Jenga refuses to eat anything right now.  Probably the parasites? What can I do to get her to eat the anti parasite food when I get it??


Thanks all of you for helping! Karma for you both!
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Re: Please help Jenga!! ~UPDATED, please look
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2010, 10:03:54 AM »

well with the nitrates being at 40ppm that means it's time for a water change. Smiley
The loss of motor control is a weakness.  I would add aquarium salt 1 TBS per 5 gallons of water.
It's good you are keeping her water warmer.  I would try an antibiotic, broad spectrum and try to get some aeration in the container.  I don't know if she will make it.  Once they show a weakness and quit eating they seem to go down hill very fast. Sad
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Re: Please help Jenga!! ~UPDATED, please look
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2010, 10:08:10 AM »

alright, thanks Minde. I'll definitely try this! I'm on my way to the hospital tank to do a water change. I'll add some salt afterward, and would it work to also just get some water flow in the tank? This probably sounds silly, but I could add a small motor or something at the side where Jenga wouldn't be able to get to so she wouldn't get hurt. I dunno. What do you think?
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Re: Please help Jenga!! ~UPDATED, please look
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2010, 10:15:11 AM »

Aeration with an air stone and a very small pump may work. Smiley
In her weakened state you don't want to have a huge water flow, she would go swirling around the container!
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Re: Please help Jenga!! ~UPDATED, please look
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2010, 10:20:51 AM »

lol, I suppose you're right! But I just did the water change, and she's swimming around in the WARM water and overall looks much better. Maybe the warm water helps ward off parasites?
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Re: Please help Jenga!! ~UPDATED, please look
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2010, 10:25:53 AM »

When fish are sick, in nature they tend to seek warmer water.
I use heat when treating sick fish.  Usually I heat the water to 80F.
When treating for a parasite I heat the water as high as 86F.
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Re: Please help Jenga!! ~UPDATED, please look
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2010, 10:29:31 AM »

oo, thanks Minde! Next time I do my water change I'll do some even warmer water. Just not boiling. that would not be good.

Yup, right now Jenga's swimming around the hospital tank. She is still at times when she stops swimming she hangs at the top of the tank on her side, but she snaps out of it after about 5 seconds or so.
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Re: Please help Jenga!! ~UPDATED, please look
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2010, 10:34:01 AM »

One thing with treating with warm water tho is that you have to have good aeration.
Remember warmer water has less dissolved oxygen levels in it than cooler water. Smiley
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Re: Please help Jenga!! ~UPDATED, please look
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2010, 10:46:31 AM »

I'll keep that in mind and see if I can get some sort of small filter for her.


Also, do you think she needs more "hiding spots" in her hospital tank? She has a cleaned out plastic plant pot that she goes into sometimes, but do you think anything else would either help her or mess up any medication I give her?
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Re: Please help Jenga!! ~UPDATED, please look
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2010, 10:49:31 AM »

I think one hide spot is enough.
You want to be able to observe her clearly. Smiley
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Re: Please help Jenga!! ~UPDATED, please look
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2010, 10:50:51 AM »

I would try the salt first and see if she responds to that.
If she doesn't then I would try an antibiotic. Smiley
You can use the salt with any meds.   It helps give her some electrolyes and also helps with gill function.
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Re: Please help Jenga!! ~UPDATED, please look
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2010, 01:08:15 PM »

alrighty - I'll stick to one hidey spot and I'll be giving her salt. I also have to do VERY frequent water changes to keep up the warmth in the water
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Re: Please help Jenga!! ~UPDATED, please look
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2010, 01:26:17 PM »

Hey guys. Quick update. Jenga didn't make it.  Cry

I think it was the change from cold water to warmer water that did it, plus she definitely had some sort of parasites.
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Re: Please help Jenga!! ~UPDATED, please look
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2010, 01:28:38 PM »

awww...sorry to hear that! :'(
RIP Jenga Sad
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Re: Please help Jenga!! ~UPDATED, please look
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2010, 02:00:26 PM »

 Cry

Thanks Minde. Now all I can do is keep the rest of my goldies alive. Nugget is showing some of the same symptoms as Jenga
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Re: Please help Jenga!! ~UPDATED, please look
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2010, 02:01:52 PM »

Sorry I wasn't present during the discussion Embarrassed I read through what I missed and... well, it sounded pretty hard Undecided I'm sorry that you lost little Jenga Embarrassed

If you're sure they are parasites, maybe you should try and feed the anti-parasite food to the rest of your fish that were sharing the tank? Just to be safe! Smiley

-I saw your last post before I sent this:
If you see similar symptoms, don't hesitate!! GET THE FOOD and TREAT THE TANK WITH SALT!
If you didn't perform a water change yet, it's definitely time to, change 50% and then add the salt.
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Re: Please help Jenga!! ~UPDATED, please look
« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2010, 02:59:49 PM »

So sorry for your loss... Cry she was a beautiful fish and is now swimming in the great big pond in heaven Smiley

In your parameter readings I noticed you hadn't checked ammonia. Lopsided swimming is often a result from ammonia poisoning. To protect your other fish from being harmed, I suggest you get that checked out. Ammonia testers are often quite pricey, but you can always go to your local fish store and have it tested there. Also, what is your water change schedual? Are you doing 50% water changes once every week for the ammount of fish you have?

I am greatly curious as to your stocking levels. If you are too crammed and are not doing the water changes required, that can cause ammonia buildup as well.

Keep us posted!

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Re: Please help Jenga!! ~UPDATED, please look
« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2010, 05:15:33 PM »

OH NOOO Cry so sorry for your loss, RIP little Jenga

I wasn't present either on this thread and reading through I agree with everybody else: Do a waterchange ASAP.
and monitor your water chemistry on a regular basis. This is very important: Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate, pH
99% of illnesses (bacterial, fungal, viral) are caused by poor water quality.  Sad
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Re: Please help Jenga!! ~UPDATED, please look
« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2010, 09:12:15 PM »

Ok  guys, thanks for the sympathy. I'll definitely do the water change real soon! Ammonia I'll get tested to if I can.

I'm getting anti-parasite tablets tomorrow I think, so I'll treat the tank.
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