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Mindemae
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Re: itch staying
« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2010, 12:14:20 PM »

Alright Clab,
It's good to debate this since none of us want to do any harmful treatments to our fish.
I suggest as I am doing, going to the manufactures website.
Here is information on Rid-Ich+ and also their email.
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I did call the company about the salt use with Rid-Ich+.  I was transferred to a vet onsite and he said it is safe to use with aquarium and marine salt.  The only thing is that Rid-Ich+ may not be tolerated by some invertabraes and can even be toxic to them so extra caution should be taken when treating those.

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Re: itch staying
« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2010, 12:21:29 PM »

Yes - i have red that some have used it with 0,1 % salt, and it was safe..  But i know that many Koi owners dosnt use it, due to the high price of the fish, compared with most goldfish - better safe then sorry.

I would always take the sick fish out of the tank, and treat that fish only - unless they are all sick.
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Re: itch staying
« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2010, 12:24:33 PM »

Maybe it has to do with the amount of formalin? The Rid-Ich+ has 11.52% Formalin in the ingredients.
Maybe if you used a higher dosage it could be toxic?  I don't know and I didn't ask since Rid-Ich+ was what I use.
Yeah! me too! Always hospitalize the sick fish, why treat them all if they are ok.  It's just stressful to be treated when healthy I think.
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Re: itch staying
« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2010, 12:49:34 AM »

Your fish obviously need help.  But I do not believe they will receive the help they need until the owners learn to respect all life.  Fish are pets just like any other and depend on you for everything they need.  If you don't want to put the time and effort into keeping your pets healthy and happy, then you should rethink being an owner.  Keeping fish is not a cheap hobby nor is keeping any other pet.  Most of the people giving you advice on this site would probably agree.  If you want to keep healthy and happy fish, then you need to learn everything you can about the subject.  I do not mean to bash but simply to inform.
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Re: itch staying
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2010, 03:09:22 AM »

I AGREE
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Re: itch staying
« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2010, 01:00:20 PM »

I agree as well.  If you keep fish in a good tank with good filtration, do regular small water changes, feed them good food in healthy amounts, and, of course, watch and interact with them, they stay fairly healthy and happy.  Fish are an investment, but a worthwhile one.  It's mostly about prevention.  Ours haven't been sick a day since January just because they get a good tank and regular feedings and care.
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Re: itch staying
« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2010, 01:06:54 PM »

Naptime,
You said exactly what I wanted to type but was afraid of being too harsh AND I APPLAUD YOU! And thank you!!
Some of these people on here need a real reality check!!! Angry
And FLASH...HOW DARE YOU blame your partner/b/f/husband or whatever!!! SHAME on you for not letting your common sense take over!  You DID NOT HAVE  to buy those fish!!  If your partner/b/f/husband wanted them then let him go out and get them himself.  If you had time to buy more fish then you had time to buy a test kit. You need to get your priorities straight and take care of your sick fish and get that aquarium at pristime water chemisty levels with all healthy fish before you bring any new fish home.  And that might take weeks or maybe even months!  How can you even enjoy your fish and aquarium if you are constantly having sick fish? Huh
 
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Re: itch staying
« Reply #37 on: June 29, 2010, 01:07:45 PM »

to the last poster: water has been tested every time by the pet store and they said it is ok - as i don't trust them I am waiting to receive my own test kit - read the whole thread pls.

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If you don't want to put the time and effort into keeping your pets healthy and happy, then you should rethink being an owner.  

I agree with you however if you read my posting the fishes are not mine and i am not their owner but i am helping my partner trying to figure this out and yes you did sound harsh.

the new fishes are doing fine and all living happily. there is a part of me that agrees with my hubby that the fishes did arrive diseased/hurt/unwell form the pet shop (the new ones are from a different shop)

on a diff note i do moderate a couple of forums and i know it is hard not to, but newbies come to sites like this to get help and supported in the new skill gathering (in this case) so don't make them feel  bad. i don't particularly even like fishes but like even less to see them dying for no reason, so I am trying to do something right, the last message initial reaction was to just loose the bookmark to this forum - so be gentle with us newbies  Wink
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Re: itch staying
« Reply #38 on: June 29, 2010, 01:11:13 PM »

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And FLASH...HOW DARE YOU blame your partner/b/f/husband or whatever!!! SHAME on you for not letting your common sense take over!  You DID NOT HAVE  to buy those fish!!  If your partner/b/f/husband wanted them then let him go out and get them himself.  If you had time to buy more fish then you had time to buy a test kit. You need to get your priorities straight and take care of your sick fish and get that aquarium at pristime water chemisty levels with all healthy fish before you bring any new fish home.  And that might take weeks or maybe even months!  How can you even enjoy your fish and aquarium if you are constantly having sick fish? Huh
 


i did not buy the fishes. read the thread and get down from your high stool.

I am loosing the bookmark and the login - thought people like you give forums bad vibes.

thanks to Hanna and Nabi for their help
will find someone local to help me and hubby to make sure fishes continue to keep well.

very disappointed.
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Re: itch staying
« Reply #39 on: June 29, 2010, 01:23:39 PM »

We do have alot of newbies on here but people who do not act in a responsible manner where their fish are concerned are not teaching or helping them to learn the proper care for their fish either.  Getting new fish on your part was totally irresponsible on you and your partners part when you admited that you still had problems in your tank.
I really hope your new fish survive but watch in 2 weeks or so how they are doing.  Some parasites and bacteria have an incubation period and do not show up right away! Sad
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Re: itch staying
« Reply #40 on: June 29, 2010, 01:25:15 PM »

for one last time - i did not buy the replacement fishes.
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Re: itch staying
« Reply #41 on: June 29, 2010, 04:43:26 PM »

Hi Flash, please do not get upset, we know that you didn't, but we like to advise you and you can pass this info on to your hubby.
We are all here to help each other and give some guidance too, I believe this is the reason you joined this forum, like we all did.

If you and your hubby want happy and healthy fish, you should tell him what you learned. You sure do not want tyour fish suffering.
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Re: itch staying
« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2010, 01:30:55 AM »

I want to apologize Flash for sounding too harsh.  The last thing I want to do is give you a bad feeling about this forum.  There are a lot of wonderful people on this site who share more than just a passion for their aquatic pets, they also share a lot of good advice.  I am also very passionate about animals and cannot stand to hear of any being mistreated!  Sorry, about the lack of subtlety.   
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Re: itch staying
« Reply #43 on: June 30, 2010, 03:14:02 AM »

Flash: Don't take any of these things said personally, it's true allover, that a person that doesn't have time for their pets shouldn't even keep them, but none of us were aiming that straight at you!!
So just chill, and keep doing your best to help the fish, and please please please, tell your husband to wait with getting more fish until everything will be ok in your tank in the first place! Introducing possibly sick fish into a possibly diseased tank isn't going to lead to anything good... So just try and treat the ones you've got for now, okay? Smiley
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Re: itch staying
« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2010, 04:49:54 AM »

 Cry seems like Flash deserted us  Cry

Come on Flash, come back
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Re: itch staying
« Reply #45 on: July 06, 2010, 03:06:07 PM »

thanks Hanna.

could see no point in replying until i did the water tests.

results are all in range except for 7.8ph - but read in book that does not affect goldfish too much as long as stable and as the same result was for tap water i have no reason to think it is the ph... especially as Flash is thriving. and yes the redcap one is not, whilst the black moor i am not sure. the gobi is fine.

going back to ph. read in the book plus on the net that as long as ph is constant fish can cope with ph slightly different from their ideal. also been advised to stay away form playing with ph / trying to change it.

any positive ideas?

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Re: itch staying
« Reply #46 on: July 06, 2010, 04:09:50 PM »

Flash- your pH seems fine. Goldfish like pH around 7.5,  so 7.8 is not too far off .   What results did you get for ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate?  I think i read something above that your tank was recently setup? How big is your tank and how many fish do you have in it right now? 

One thing you have to remember is that a newly setup aquarium often requires 1 month - 2 months to completely cycle, even longer if you treat the tank with antibiotics. Nitrifying bacteria reproduce very slowly so if they die off, the fish will suffer because ammonia and nitrite levels will spike.  It 's also advisable to wait until your ammonia and nitrite levels are at 0 before adding any new fish to the tank.
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Re: itch staying
« Reply #47 on: July 06, 2010, 04:20:53 PM »

Hi Flash,

glad you're back.
Well, I agree with nabi. There's always a pH range. Yours is fine
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Re: itch staying
« Reply #48 on: July 06, 2010, 04:40:48 PM »

pH couldn't matter much less for a goldfish. Go check something more relevant like nitrates! Or like already mentioned, ammonia or nitrite. I think these would be the problem for you Smiley
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Re: itch staying
« Reply #49 on: July 07, 2010, 02:07:31 AM »

ok! this is more constructive  Grin

the tank has been put set up and running empty (+2 plants) from 2 weeks before the 24th May on this day we got the original 3 fishes. so been going on for a while... on the 24th May we also got another plant which grows on a woody bit. all from same pet store so far.

I am trying to remember the data for the other test but all i remember (it is an early morning here) was that were fine. the nitrates were below 40ppm more like 20. Nitrites were also fine and ammonia was the lightest colour on the results charts.

no medications have been given except for the ick treatment.

water changes been made and replaced with de-chlorinated water.

could be simply the tank is taking longer to cycle? is then Flash a right tough cookie as he is doing fine and been there from the beginning?

thanks for the help
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Re: itch staying
« Reply #50 on: July 07, 2010, 02:11:29 AM »

forgot to mention: the tank is 68 lts and now we have 3 fishes: 2 fancy goldfish and a gobi.
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Re: itch staying
« Reply #51 on: July 07, 2010, 03:28:27 AM »

Your test results sound pretty good to me. I still advise to use detoxyfier from Seachem. It doesn't REMOVE Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrates, but converts them into a non-toxic form for the fishies. And the beneficial bacteria help cycling.
2 goldies should be fine in it ( we do have 5 in 150 l ) ... but now I need to ask: what kind of fish is a gobi?
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Re: itch staying
« Reply #52 on: July 07, 2010, 05:47:20 PM »

I've seen some sort of salt water and fresh water gobies, but I do think that they have completely different needs than goldfish... In temp and pH at least. Most of them have similar faces and bodies, but smaller fins and other colors c: [image]


Either way, you tank is a tad crowded. 68 liters would be enough for something like one and a half goldfish Wink But as long as they're quite small it's fine. Just don't buy any more fish. If you want more fish, you need to get a bigger tank. Think about 40 liters per goldfish.
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Re: itch staying
« Reply #53 on: July 08, 2010, 12:09:56 PM »

hello!
this is what our goby looks like:

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(not our just look like it)

well the red cap goldfish and also blackie the 3rd have gone to the pond beyond.

flash has also been caught sitting at bottom of tank but then perked up. but he does not interact with the goby and last time he was alone he did seem to sit about too... hope is not poorly too....

I am off to measure the tank to work out volume for sure.

the fishes at moment are only about 3cm long (+tail)

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