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acamp
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PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« on: March 17, 2012, 05:06:01 PM »

I used beckett water treatment kit for my 160 gallon pond. Can i put my koi in directly after i put the water treatment in?
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Re: PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2012, 07:36:39 PM »

I just found the answer in a two second google search- safe for fish. 160 gallons is far too small for koi. What are the dimensions? What filtration do you have?
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Re: PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2012, 08:39:14 PM »

Koi need approx 200 gallons each (or 50" of adult-size koi per 1000 gallons). Koi ponds need to be at least 4' deep with a TON of filtration. I'd hate to see you make the same mistakes with your three koi as you did with your poor goldfish.
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Re: PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2012, 04:37:31 AM »

Hi acamp,

As Cheri has already pointed out, that pond is far too small for koi. Would it be possible for you to increase the size of your pond?


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Re: PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2012, 11:45:57 AM »

This is a little bit awkward, isn't it?
Maybe you really should try to do more research before jumping into getting such large fish as goldfish or koi for that matter? Undecided
As Skwishee mentioned, it'd be great if you could increase the size of your pond..
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Re: PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2012, 06:49:52 PM »

I have three koi. The first is 2 inches the second 5 the third 6. I will build a pond at least five times the size next year. I have a UV filster for 640 gallons and a pump for 800 gallons. I think im doing quite good thank you vey much.
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Re: PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2012, 07:23:09 PM »

 Undecided    Unfortunetly I would have to disagree.
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Skwishee
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Re: PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2012, 04:57:09 AM »

May I ask why you didn't build a 600 gallon pond to begin with?
It would have just been easier for you, rather than having to build two ponds Smiley


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Re: PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2012, 06:21:07 PM »

I wanted to to but my Dad said me should start off with a small pond and see how it went then a year later we would build a bigger pond.
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Skwishee
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Re: PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2012, 04:41:11 AM »

Hi acamp,

I really wasn't too sure on the thinking of starting off with a smaller pond, seeing how it goes and then building a bigger pond. It doesn't make any sense to me, to build something that's too small for a fish and see how it goes, when it's not going to go well if they do not have their basic requirements met in the first place.

Now I know a lot of us here don't have koi, so I got in touch with someone on another forum I belong to who does, because I personally don't know much about koi to be giving any advice.
Andy T (a.k.a Koinut) who I contacted is one of the forum's moderators and is also a Koi and Pond Specialist, so he knows what his talking about Smiley

First he gave me a link to this really useful thread- (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)
It has all the basics you need to know about Koi  Smiley

The second post underneath it is some information written by Dr Paula Reynolds (BSc PhD BA) who owns Licolnshire Fish Health, the information is with particular regards to keeping koi in small volumes of water.

From Andy's message, he told me the 160 gallon pond is too small, even now and a 600 gallon pond, still won't be big enough, the reason for this, is pretty much summed up with what he told me about koi growth-

"A lot of Koi will reach a foot long in their first year..this is not at all uncommon and they grow quickly in the first few years.
I have 4 year old Koi that are well over 2 and a half feet long."

I know this is a lot of information to take on board, so please take your time to read and understand it.
If you have any more questions then please ask and I will do my best to get the answers  Smiley

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Re: PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2012, 05:42:09 AM »

Koi Carp belong in Lakes
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Re: PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2012, 12:05:35 PM »

I guess... it's a nice idea, but again, the lack of research is going to be a problem Undecided

Really, parents don't always know best. Oh, how about going back to the shop with the koi and buying a few common goldfish instead? Smiley They would do great in a pond of this size! Smiley You could even keep 5-6 goldfish happy there... Smiley
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Re: PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2012, 05:07:34 AM »

I think getting goldfish would depend on the dimensions of the pond and it's filtration, as well as how heavily planted it is.
For example a heavily planted pond that is going to be heavily stocked will need a stronger filter than something thats lightly planted and lightly stocked Wink
I would still be inclined to increase the pond size if possible, 700 litres is very small for a pond and depending on the country it could freeze during winter.

Acamp if you do consider to go with goldfish, please do the necessary research beforehand.
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Re: PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2012, 10:50:46 AM »

I live in the South and there was only one day where the temperature was below freezing. and Skwishee go build a pond and buy some koi then you can start critizing me. Furthermore I was just looking for some simple advice and not half the forum hating on me. So please if you have something mean to say tell your mom or someting.
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Re: PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2012, 11:33:59 AM »

acamp: She isn't criticizing you, she's giving you some pointers and advice. You need to realize that you've done wrong so far, with the koi and the previous goldfish. It's never too late to learn from your mistakes!

Either way, it sounds like it could work out pretty well keeping a few comets, commons or shubunkins in that pond of yours Smiley However, look around for a good, large pond filter unless you have one already.
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Re: PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2012, 03:27:02 PM »

Why do you ask for advice when you intend to ignore it?
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Re: PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2012, 06:51:42 AM »

Acamp, I am sorry if I offended you. I wasn't trying to criticize you in anyway, I was trying to help you, which is why I went and asked someone who keeps koi and is an expert on another forum for advice to give you.

I have no plans to keep koi, but I am planning a pond for my goldfish, so I am learning a lot about ponds myself Smiley
And because I live in the UK, I have to plan for the winter, otherwise my future pond could potentially freeze, which is the reason I mentioned about that, as I had no idea where you were Smiley
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Re: PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2012, 09:36:24 AM »

Ok, sorry for overreacting. And yes Nossie i have a UV filter for up to 640 gallons.
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Re: PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2012, 11:55:09 AM »

Hi acamp,

Don't worry too much about it, I've been chatting to Koinut and so I've passed this message along for you from him;

"Skwishee gave you good solid simple advice in the information she passed on to you from myself.
And I have read what the other posters have written and there is no one there hating you at all.
In fact they are trying to help you.

If you ask questions on a forum you must be aware some of the answers may not be what you want to hear...but highly likely be the truth.
If I can I would help you too..if your prepared to listen that is!!
I dont mind Skwishee passing on my private email address to you.

But please start listening to someone (anyone) that DOES know what their talking about concerning the requirements that Koi need to thrive in.
Keeping Koi in the volumes of water your intending to will result in poor sickly fish or likely death after time...they will not be able to exercise properly...they will not grow properly and be stunted..they will suffer major stress because of over crowding in a tiny amount of water...this will lead onto immune system issues making them susceptible to all sorts of parasites and bacterial issues...and the list does just go on and on.

Andy T (Koinut)"
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Re: PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2012, 06:57:13 PM »

Thank you for your concern of my fish and I am very grateful for it. Can you pass on Koinut's email to me please. Could you please send it to me by private message. Thank you for you time and for caring about me and the well being of my fish Skwishee. 
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Re: PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2012, 08:39:56 AM »

Ah we don't have private messages on this forum as an option Undecided

I could always pass your e-mail on to him, if you were okay with posting it on the board?

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Re: PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2012, 05:20:34 PM »

ok it is ************.com im leaving it on for 2 hours. Thank you skwishee
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Re: PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2012, 01:54:54 PM »

Got it and have passed it on  Smiley
Let us know how it goes with the koi!   Grin
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Re: PLEASE REPOND FISH LIVE ARE ON THE LINE
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2012, 06:32:35 PM »

Ok thanks.
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