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soccerclause
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fancy goldfish question?
« on: August 25, 2010, 03:39:40 PM »

i have a couple of questions regarding fancy goldfish. i currently have a small pond (300 gallons give or take) with common goldfish in it. next year i'm going to build a larger pond (2000 gallon or so) and i'm going to move the commons back there along with sarasa's and shubunkins. i plan to turn my current pond into a fancy goldfish pond. my question is about stocking levels. i want to get orandas, black moors, ranchus, and ryukins. i just don't know how many would be appropriate for that size pond. i live in oregon so i already plan on taking them inside during the winter. any suggestions would be appreciated. thanks
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Re: fancy goldfish question?
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2010, 03:41:56 PM »

not sure why i posted the same pic twice. try this again!
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Re: fancy goldfish question?
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2010, 04:29:36 PM »

Your pond looks G O R G E O U S.  Cheesy

How big will your AQ be to house them over winter? Rule of thumb is 10 g per fish, better more. So I woudn't put more fish in your pond than you can put in your tank inside.

How many Commons have you got now?
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2010, 01:07:53 PM »

thanks , it's a work in progress! right now there is 6 commons and one bullfrog that shows up time to time. i don't have an aquarium. i'm building an insulated pond in my garage. 5'x2'x3', about 225 gallons i think. the winters aren't too harsh where i live and my garage is also insulated so doesn't get that cold. do you have fancy goldfish? i've had orandas before in an aquarium but it didn't go very well. i think that is why i took to ponds so quickly. once you get them going they pretty much run themselves. there's a lot more room for error! thanks for your reply.
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Re: fancy goldfish question?
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2010, 05:21:21 PM »

this pic is so beautiful again, like a postcard... would be worth it to have a print and decorate your garage with it above the indoor pond.... Grin

No, we don't have fancy goldfish, we have 5 comets, all different colours. But we keep them inside in a big tank.
Summers here are too hot and the Winters are too much temp fluctuation between days ( about 24 celsius ) and nights ( about 7-4 or sometimes less celsius ) Tongue

Here a couple of pics
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Re: fancy goldfish question?
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2010, 05:26:56 PM »

Hi soccerclause..

It seems like you have a good plan there. 
One thing i'd like to mention is the temperature, even in  heated/insulated garages , can drop below 60F during the winter months in the northern states.  Fancy goldfish like ranchus, moors, and orandas are rather frail when compared to the commons and comets. You might want to invest in a water heater to keep the water in the temporary garage pond constant. You don't want the temperature to ever drop below 60 F if you intend to keep fancy goldfish.
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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2010, 10:40:40 PM »

i couldn't agree more. the plan is build the indoor pond this winter (december). january is our coldest month. i figure i could monitor it for a month or so and see how the temp does. this also gives the bacteria time to establish itself in the filters. i think it is going to work out pretty well though. we only get about 2 to 3 weeks of freeze every year and they pond outside never seems to drop below 50f. i guess we'll find out though. the heater is a good idea, thanks for the suggestion.
those are good lookin' fish hanna! what is the black one? is he a comet as well? i've never seen one in that color. that picture with the lilly is pretty nice. i can't take credit for it, my wife is pretty handy with a camera.
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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2010, 10:55:18 PM »

another question, hanna you said a rule of thumb is 10 gallon per fish. does that apply to ponds as well? also, is that mainly for fancy types? it seems like commons and comets would need more room than that. i have 6 commons in the pond now, i was figuring i could probably get away with at least that many fancy. but i was hoping for more like 8 to 10. does that sound feasible? thanks
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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2010, 12:45:10 AM »

Hi Soccerclause,

I'd vote the rule of thumb for both, tank and pond but you are right more room is better. 10 fish in your pond should be ok, no worries. Mabe even 12?

Yes, all our goldfish are comets. Sunshine (she's the black one, LOL ) shimmers a bronzy golden colour and her belly is a silver sheen. It is said this is the "wild' colour of a goldfish. Skippy is the white boy with red dots. Humphrey is the orange boy and Hepsiba the girl with orange and white. And then we have Matilda, she's the shubunkin coloured one. So we have 2 boys and 3 girls Grin
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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2010, 12:48:10 AM »

Noticed Matilda is missing on them pics, here a couple more showing her too Grin
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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2010, 02:19:52 AM »

those are great looking fish! i'm going to have to hunt around and try to find a black one for my big pond next year.  i'm glad to hear 10 to 12 fish. that is what i was hoping for. i think i'll probably go with 8 to 10 still. keep it a little light to start. i don't want to over crowd them. do you think the deep bodied fish would have a problem with the 2 feet deep water? i've read that pearlscales have a lot of problems with deeper water but i wasn't sure about ranchus. thanks
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Re: fancy goldfish question?
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2010, 06:48:47 AM »

THANK YOU SCOCCERCLAUSE Grin

I agree to start with less fish, especialy if there never been fish in the pond before. The filter etc needs to handle the bioload, better less to start with and then you can stock up.

2 ft this is about 60 cm? I am not sure, but I can imagine that fancy varieties can be more problematic than common or comets. Because they are "artificial" breeds made by humans... according to what I read up in books and on the net... The streamlined bodies are the "natural" breeds and therefore much hardier.

It won't be the same depth over all, will it? Maybe shallower at the edges and deeper in the middle.
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Re: fancy goldfish question?
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2010, 07:18:06 AM »

it's actually going to be the pond that is pictured. i'm building a bigger pond for the commons and so rather than decommission this one i figured i'd turn it in to a fancy pond. i always wanted a fancy pond anyways and it's right off of the back patio. it's a win win! it is 2 ft deep in the center but there is plant shelves around most of the sides. my commons rarely spend much time on the bottom. i only made it 2 ft deep originally for temp and predator reasons. so far in the 2 years i've had it i've had no predators (knock on wood)!
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Re: fancy goldfish question?
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2010, 06:27:56 AM »

In that pond I would put around 15 of the goldfish.
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