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cheri_alexander
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Problem with brand new tank!
« on: December 26, 2011, 07:40:59 PM »

1. How big is your tank:  Gal / litres   125gallons  (old tank is 30gallon)

2. For how long has the tank been set up: Approx 15hours

3. How many fish: 5

4. What kinf of fish: All fantails

5. What are the water parameters:    Ammonia.........ppm All zero as I just set it up today
                                                            Nitrite..............ppm
                                                            Nitrate.............ppm
                                                            pH..........................
                                                            Temp...............degrees Celsius / Fahrenheit   70 F

8. What kind of waterconditioner are you using: Aqueon

9. Do you add beneficial bacteria: Yes

10. Symptoms your fish is showing:  Sitting very still on bottom, barely breathing

11. Since when does your fish show these symptoms:    one hour (12.26.11)

12. How is the normal behaviour of your fish: Isn't doing anything, did not eat evening meal

13. How do the other fish behave: normal

15. Do you have a filter on your tank, what kind, how big (gallons per hour)  Do not know gph. One Marineland Magnum 350, one AquaClear 110

16. Do you provide extra aeration with an air pump and air stone/diffuser of some kind. Yes

I set up this tank last night and began filling it with water at 5am today. I carefully added conditioner, bacteria and salt. I put in three heaters to bring the temp up to room temperature (same exact temp as my other tank) I then removed the heaters and let it sit until 5pm (12 hours) when I added five fantals 1-3" in length. Four of the fish have been very active, they ate and are behaving normally. Holly swam right down to the bottom and didn't move. After about 20 minutes I put her back in her old tank where she perked up slightly but is still not acting normal. Does anyone have any idea what could be wrong?? If she lives through the night can I put her in the big tank? Or should I take everyone out??
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2011, 12:09:12 AM »

Holly could be stressed by the sudden change in water perameters. Fish need to be added to new water gradualy. I'd leave her in the old tank for now and wait to see if she turns around. If she does, maybe catch her up in an appropriate sized cup and over the course of 20-30 minutes, introduce some of the new tank water slowly into the cup, if she's still o.k. after that, put her in.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2011, 02:24:34 AM »

You probably just shocked her. Leaving the tank empty for a couple of days would probably have been a better idea for everything to start stabilizing Smiley I left my tank alone for about 3 days before I introduced my fish, and then I added only a few of them at a time, however, in such a big tank, 5 does count as "a few at a time" Wink

Salt slows down the beneficial bacteria (not to mention that it's a waste of money to put it into such a large tank, I used two packages of salt when I had to treat my 83 gal :/), so if you can, just avoid the salt. It could have been another factor in shocking your fish.

Just keep an eye on your fish, maybe you need to wait with letting her in with the buddies until the tank is close to cycled? Smiley
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2011, 08:10:30 AM »

 Ok, I thought since it was the same water I do large water changes with it wouldn't need to sit. oops. She looks better this morning, and everyone else is doing fine. hanks for the suggestions.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2011, 10:52:01 AM »

Good to hear Smiley
Keep us posted on the cycling process, and good luck! Smiley
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2011, 06:36:28 PM »

She is still not acting normal. Sits on the bottom about half the day. Eating normally though, breathing easier. I need to change the water in her 30gallon (now iso) tank- i twas supposed to be done Monday, is it safe to add tank water? I'd like to get her acclimated but I don't see how the big-tank-water is any different then fresh treated tap water...
Is there anything I can do to help her recover from the shock?
Nossie- in refrence to your first comment; I always keep a low concentration of salt in all my tanks, I read somewhere that most natural bodies of water are at least slightly brackish- are you saying the salt could be doing harm? I put in 1/2 tsp per 10 at every water change...
On a side note; I put Aspen into the big tank in her place and he too is acting fine. I guess I'll keep Holly isolated and move her last, in a month or so.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2011, 02:20:49 AM »

I noticed that when I set up my new 60 gallon back a month & half ago, that I shcked my poor fish too. Scales started falling off, they had splits in there tails, would just sit there. Poor thing more than likely is in shock, I wouldn't put her/him back in the new tank, I would leave her/him in the old tank for now. To much at one time, can make things worse, she maybe better off in old tank til cycled.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2011, 02:39:24 AM »

Your new tank, although the water is treated, it's not cycled like your old tank is. It has'nt gone through the nitrogen process that is required to create the beneficial bacteria that eat the amonia the fish create. Leave the fish that are in there and in about a month, if she's still kicking, then you can try adding her to the new tank which will be cycled.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2011, 05:40:01 AM »

Fresh tap water is definitely the way to go! If you add water from the large tank, you'll get a bunch of ammonia into the tank, and that would defeat the purpose of changing the water, just take care of the fish Smiley Once she'll be healthy, you can move her back to the large tank Smiley Since they're in the same house, the water will be largely the same anyway once it stabilizes.
Just keep the water close to perfect quality, and she should recover just fine! Smiley

Salt should not be added to a goldfish tank, many people have this misconception that salt should be added with every water change, but it's really not needed for freshwater fish, since they're not designed to live in salty water. It will irritate them in the long run, they can tolerate pretty high concentrations of salt, but they shouldn't be living in them on a daily basis, unless you need to treat something or protect them from a nitrite spike.
It also slows down the beneficial bacteria that break down ammonia, making your fish subjects to poor water quality. Had a nitrite spike in my tank recently after having to treat with salt :/

As Goldfishnoob says, the tank isn't cycled yet, so the water quality will be fluctuating a little now with ammonia and nitrite spikes, that is going to be stressful for your fish, so be alert! Test the water every day, and change 50% of the water while adding beneficial bacteria every time the test results are too high. Feed your fish only once a day, or once every other day Smiley
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2011, 04:13:48 PM »

Holly is still alive and slightly improved today BUT I am facing a similar situation today with two of my other fantails (the larger two). I changed about 60 gallons of water today nearly half of it (30gal) had sat overnight (I used to allow my water to sit a few hours or overnight to regulate temp and allow chemicals to mix) the other half only sat about 15 minutes- this is the first time I haven't aged the water for these fish. I added the water quite slowly- it took about 40 minutes to put 60 gallons in. About three hours after the change the big girls went to hide at the bottom where they have been for some time. The three smaller fish are acting completely normal. I know everyone told me it is uneccassary to age water but I can't help but think they were shocked because I didn't...there is, of course, the slightest chance of misdose but it's unlikely. My poor girls. Ammonia was 1.0 ppm before the change and is now reading less than 0.25. PH is perfect and nitrate and nitrite are zero.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2011, 06:37:58 AM »

The water sounds fine... is the temperature okay?
These fish may not be used to waste in their water, so that's probably it. Luckily, you've got very few fish in the tank, so they should be safe, just keep monitoring the water! Smiley
Hope you're adding a lot of beneficial bacteria. Did you use any gravel from the previous set ups?
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2011, 02:35:29 PM »

The temperature is exactly the same as what they are used to. I hope it is just the cycling process. I did not use any gravel from from the other tanks but I used a filter cartdrige from an established 55 gallon tank (just one) and the max dose of beneficial bacteria. Oh I'm so worried. After 16 months without problems it seem like my fish are all falling apart at the seams. At least they are all eating...just not very happy.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2011, 04:28:35 PM »

I know how it is Sad
Going through a rough patch with my tank myself, had a nitrite spike recently and one fish with full-fledged dropsy Undecided
Worried to bits D:
I really hope they won't be getting sick or anything because of the cycling. But if you notice that any of the fish are getting worse, you could move those back to the smaller tank, that would probably help them a lot Smiley
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2012, 05:57:56 PM »

I think I've got the hang of it, instead of waiting for ammonia to reach 1.0ppm I now do a 75% change at 0.5ppm (about every other day). The girls are much happier. My st*pid book and test kit say that ammonia can reach 4.0 before becoming dangerous, I can't imagine that, they get so miserable with even a low reading. I was encouraged to see nitrates today, maybe we're getting somewhere.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2012, 06:48:17 AM »

Absolutely not! Ammonia is far more harmful than that! Shocked What a mad book >>
In any case, I'm glad you found a method that works for you and the fishies! Smiley
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2012, 12:16:35 PM »

We are really getting somewhere with the cycling process. I changed the water on Tuesday and today there is less than 0.25ppm ammonia and about 10ppm nitrates. I changed the water this morning and then put Holly, Juniper and Elder II into the tank (hoping to use the filter media and gravel from their tank). Well all five fantails started picking on the new Orandas and chasing them around. I know this is fairly normal but I've never seen it on this scale. I finally became worried about their health and so put the three most aggressive fantails in their old tank for "time-out". I'm going to leave them there for awhile and re-arrange the tank a bit, hopefully in a few hours they won't recognize it as their territory. If I can get these seven to get along then I only have Rowan, Aspen and Palo to introduce and luckily they are about 4x larger then the grumpy fantails.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2012, 02:52:33 PM »

Usually something as simple as separating them helps, they'll feel more like newbies once they'll be back in the tank, especially if you're rearranging it Smiley
Glad to hear the cycling is going forward! Cheesy
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2012, 07:15:50 AM »

Aww glad to hear it's going well!!

Out of curiosity, how many tanks do you have in total Cheri? It sounds like a game of musical tanks over there Cheesy
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2012, 10:20:06 AM »

Lol, it really is. I have 5 goldfish tanks and a betta tank. I'm hoping to end up with 2 plus an iso but these guys still aren't getting along.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2012, 11:08:47 AM »

Wow 5? What sizes are they?
You must have some house to fit them all in!
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2012, 12:25:18 PM »

Haha I guess so. The house is kind of taken over at the moment. I have 10 and 29 gal in my bedroom, 55 gal in the formal dining room which is never used and 125 gal and 30 gal in the living room.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2012, 01:22:53 PM »

Wow so many tanks Shocked
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2012, 01:29:34 PM »

Yes but so many fish.  Roll Eyes and I almost got ANOTHER oranda today until I came to my senses and realized I have no open isolation tanks at the moment. Lol. I'm hopeless.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2012, 01:47:36 PM »

Haha aww, at least you give them all good homes!
I'd love to have fantails one day  Smiley Or a tank of moors or telescope eyes!
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2012, 02:14:04 PM »

I love my fantails but now I am partial to orandas I think. I can not wait to have 5 little moors/telescopes in the 55 gal! They are so sweet.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2012, 03:09:51 PM »

I'd love to have moors/telescope eye, but I imagine Lucky would spin the poor things out by swimming around so fast!

I have heard some of the speedier fantails can be kept with commons though!
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2012, 03:40:08 PM »

I have heard the same. My moors don't even do well with my fantails. If I had speedy goldies  I'd probably go for shubunkins. Someday. A pond is the ultimate dream.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2012, 03:59:37 PM »

Ahhh a pond! Yeah my current thinking was to look for a Bristol Shubunkin as a tank mate for Lucky.
Although I know a fantail would be okay, I'm not sure how I'd ensure one I picked would be speedy enough, if that makes sense XD
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2012, 05:47:47 PM »

I have also been planning a nice tank with a few panda moors Smiley Maybe a 30-40 gallon?
Fantails are indeed lovely! And ideal for those that want fancy goldfish but not too enhanced Smiley I have a very soft spot for orandas though, and they're so hard to find here! It breaks my heart that the few I got were so unlucky Sad
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2012, 07:59:10 PM »

I still have never seen a panda moor in stores here, I would really like one. On the other hand we are positively swimming (lol) in orandas. Today I saw tri-colored, chocolate, "blue" and black, $2 each!
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