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xX1krazed1Xx
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When will he get better
« on: January 13, 2012, 09:54:23 AM »

I have a comet goldfish he is just over a year old, and we decided to get him a friend (another comet)well I'm guessing his new friend introduced new parisite because he just hangs out at the bottom of the tank then darts into the gravel like he has an itch he can't scratch I had my water tested all seemed to be fine so I added the tetra guard parasite treatment now he won't even swim around at all just sits at the bottom looking very depressed how long will this last? And is there anything else I can do?
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Re: When will he get better
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2012, 02:22:28 PM »

Most of the time when a fish sits at the bottom like that, it means that its organs are starting to fail. Being subjected to poor living conditions over an extended period of time , such as living in a fish bowl or very small tank , will cause the symptoms you described.  Adding another fish will only make things worse if you don't have the proper setup to deal with the increased bio-load.

Take a look at this thread and list as much info as you can: (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

I suggest you do a 50% water change right now and treat the water with a conditioner to remove any chlorine. Make sure the new water is about the same temperature as the water the fish is swimming in right now.
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Re: When will he get better
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2012, 03:02:07 PM »

I see no mention of tank size in this post so until that size is know I would'nt be so quick to blame tank size when water conditions are fine.

In any case, I hope you friend gets better soon. Smiley Comets are very pretty, but they can get pretty big, so as Nabi said, if you don't already have an appropriate size tank you should consider getting one ASAP. At least a 30 gal would suffice for 2 small comets at least for now. You will probably need a 40 gallon in the long run. Also, filtration, filtration, filtration. XD
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Re: When will he get better
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2012, 11:39:07 PM »

More info about previous question. The tank is only ten gal and yes I realize it is somewhat small especially since I just added another small comet they are both still only about 2 inches. (will be getting bigger tank soon) anyway the tank has been set up for about six months. There are only the two comets.
Ammonia level is .5
Nitrite 0
Nitrate 10
pH 7.6
Alkalinity 180
Hardness 200
Chlorine and chloramine 0
Temp is 70 degrees Fahrenheit
     I do approx 20-30% water change usually every 7 - 10 days the filter I use is (HOB type) a aqua-tech power filter and it's rated at 105 gph. Also have 16 in bubble bar on the bottom back of tank.

     He does seem to be swimming around more than he was but still not the same ol Gus (his name) but how long should I treat him and will he come out of it soon? Oh also the parasite that my girlfriend had noticed had inch worm features, with a black head and a translucent white body and about 1-2 cm long.
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Re: When will he get better
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2012, 05:01:36 AM »

The ammonia is poisoning the fish! Ammonia is incredibly toxic, you need to change out at least 60% of the water RIGHT NOW!
You should never let ammonia get above 0!
Just concentrate on the water quality for now, however, considering the horrible amounts of ammonia and the fact that your tank if heavily overcrowded (even with one fish), they most likely did catch a parasite as well. If she could actually see it (and not thought she did) it would probably be anchor worm, which isn't that hard to treat. A 0.3% solution of salt should do the trick.

BUT WATER CHANGE FIRST!!
And from now on, you need to change out 50% every three-four days with that big of a bioload. I hope you'll be able to get a 40 gallon asap :/
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Re: When will he get better
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2012, 05:37:35 AM »

I think everyone has pretty much covered everything.

What sized tank will you be upgrading too? It will need to be nice and roomy, because these fish like to swim!
I know they are only 2 inches at the moment, but these fish can and will grow to 30cm if they are given the correct tank or pond size Smiley So you may have to upgrade again from a 40 gallon once they've grown some more.

Here's some extra information with regards to comets (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

Also Nossie how much is 0.3% of salt? Was it 3 teaspoons per gallon? I forget how these things are worked out!
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Re: When will he get better
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2012, 05:17:36 AM »

It was one per gallon Smiley To increase it to 0.6% or 0.9% you add 2 and 3 respectively. However, these stronger solutions are only for certain types of parasites Smiley

It's also good to remove any live plants except java fern when treating with salt as they can be harmed.
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Re: When will he get better
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 03:12:53 PM »

Does your fish have to musch slime coat?
If it does that could be a parasite. Because your fish is showing signs for many different diseases as many are resulted in lathergy.
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Re: When will he get better
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2012, 08:18:01 AM »

Yes he did I have treated him with the Malachite Green
And he is done a complete 180 fins came unclamped and swimming,eating again amazing thanks for everybody's help, even the sarcasm from nossie everything is much appreciated.
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Re: When will he get better
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2012, 12:44:03 PM »

I wasn't sarcastic at all, absolutely not! D':
But please, note what I said, ammonia is highly toxic, and you need to change water very often in such a small tank.
Sorry if I came across sarcastic. (I still can't seem to find it, though D': )
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Re: When will he get better
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2012, 05:32:39 PM »

So glad to hear he's doing better! Cheesy

While keeping them in a 10 gal is not recommended, it's not impossible to do at this point because they're small. It just takes alot more maintaining. I have 3 small goldfish, 2 comets and 1 common goldfish in a 10 gal and they are doing exceedingly well. But I'm trying to work out getting something bigger eventually. So here's what I do, personaly, to maintain healthy fish in a small tank.

Adecuate filtration, which you have.

Makes sure the water is safe for the fish by purchasing some Stress Coat + from your pet store and follow the instructions on the bottle. (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

Consider purchasing and learning to opperate a cravel vaccum, Aqueon is the best IMO. (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.) On the right side you'll see which ones are for what size tanks. I'd suggest the 5-20 hose length 6 inches for you. Use this gravel vaccum once every week or so. (The way I test if I need to clean it is to get in the gravel and rustle it around, if alot of stuff comes off it, it needs to be cleaned.) Not only will it remove nasty debree that is decaying and causing spikes in ammonia, it will do a massive water chance for you. ( Just make sure you turn your filter off when using it.) When you're done cleaning the gravel, wipe down the sides of the tank with a paper towel. Fill a large container or bucket with tap water and add 5ml of your newly purchased Stress Coat. Stir it around with a straw and pour the new, clean water in. Repeat this until your tank is full again. Restart your filter. ( Oh and don't forget to clean your filter out twice a week. Smiley ) Feed only once a day or once every other day. Overfeeding=more waste.

While you're doing this, work out getting a bigger tank and most importantly no more fish for now. Your buddy has a buddy and that's all right now. But be warned, when your tank conditions improve and become healthier, so will your fish and thus you will notice they will slowly get larger. XD

You'll have to forgive Nossie, she likes to use overly dramatic wording like "horrible" and "Heavily overcrowded" and bolding with exclamation points. Not to start anything with anyone, but I myself (Having experienced it before being still a bit of a noob myself) think it comes off as berating and abrassive and will only make the person feel ashamed. Information and advice can be given without such drama.
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Re: When will he get better
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2012, 05:25:13 AM »

I know you donít need or would probably like being defended Nossie but I am going to have my say... from what I understand Nossie you tell it as it is, and not beat around the bush... and if people cant take a little hard advice, well why ask for it, it's not always going to be softly presented and totally polite, especially when people are giving up their precious time to help others... I think we also need to remember that English is not Nossie's native language (and she is as good, if not better at English than some people I know), and I also think we Angloís are a little naive, when it comes to understanding the European demeanour... Maybe because I am a male, or Australian (we also tell it as it is), I just don't see it as "berating" or "abrasive". Cheers all > Ron
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Re: When will he get better
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2012, 08:07:07 AM »

If the people giving the advice find it a waste of their "precious time" then why should they bother giving advice at all? Surely there are other people on here who would'nt mind taking the time to write both a supportive and informative response. When people come here for advice and help for a bad situation, they want help and advice, not to be made to feel like an animal abuser for the mistakes they are making, considering the vast amount of missinformation going around about goldfish. I did'nt beat around the bush in my response and neither did anyone else here, yet we all got our point and information across, just in different ways. I was merely expressing my opinion as you are now. I felt the urge to defend Krazed ( Whether she/he needed it or not ) and you felt the need to defend Nossie and for making you feel that need I appologize. So I'm going to drop this discussion before it escalates. This is, after all, about Krazed's comets health and not about a pointless arguement.
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Re: When will he get better
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2012, 11:21:37 AM »

I'm sorry, but I think I'm the least dramatic person on the forum, I don't get upset over nothing, and I'm not particularly butthurt ever. Honestly, I agree with Ron (Thank you so much, karma for you, I could never have said it better myself Smiley), I do come from a different culture, here I use the words I mean and not the words that will cuddle you to sleep.
Of course, I am here, and I give advice because I want to and I like to, but I've come to the conclusion that people most of the time don't listen. I emphasize the important things, and they still don't care. For all I know, the OP still hasn't performed a water change :/
I've been there myself, and I did get some pretty harsh comments from girls from the United States, when I started off with the 8 gallon and my 3 fantails, not knowing better. If you feel offended by what I say, believe me, it isn't my intention just as I believe the ladies earlier had no intention to make me feel bad (even if it did), they just emphasized that the way I took care of the fish was wrong and they taught me so much over the years.
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Re: When will he get better
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2012, 05:54:12 PM »

I just wanted to add that, I blame the internet and typing, when you're reading something, you can interpret it a million ways and none of which will always be how the original poster meant it Wink

Krazed do let us know how you've been getting on Smiley
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Re: When will he get better
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2012, 06:16:48 PM »

I agree Skwishee, that's very true and I give my appologies to Nossie as well.
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Re: When will he get better
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2012, 12:31:56 AM »

Very true Skwishee, and I think under pressure, time constraints, or just having a bad day, you can quickly give an answer that when read back later, can sound a bit harsh or insensitive, maybe I have done this with my last post above, lol...
GoldFishNoob, please don't take offence, none was, or is intented, but I feel I must relate that I did not say it was a "waste" of precious time ("giving up" was the expression) and I did not accuse anyone here of beating about the bush, I just said Nossie doesn't... People "bother" to give advice because they have knowledge and a passion for the subject, in this case it's the welfare of the fish. Anyway I do think your point is valid, and if we are to take anything from this discussion, it's that we should give the person concerned a little consideration before sending off our replies. Cheers all. > Ron
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Re: When will he get better
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2012, 04:09:54 AM »

Everyone have bad days Tongue Besides, it gets old with the whole "I might have 10 goldfish in a 6 gallon. They're bottom sitting, what do I do?". Personally, I'd like to answer "why, have a look at the other threads with the exact same problem." but I'm being nice, and explaining why exactly they're bottom sitting, but obviously, changing the water would be too easy a solution to make sense D:

In any case, that's nothing we need to *almost* argue about. All of us come from different cultures, so naturally, we have different ways to speak Smiley (I mean, how fun is it when some unknown person on the street decides to start touching your arms or hair?! Most foreign people just don't have this blockade.)
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Re: When will he get better
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2012, 05:22:47 AM »

You have day your taking one down you sad song just turn around

Oh sorry its a song
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Re: When will he get better
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2012, 04:44:08 PM »

Oh yeah, I can undesrtand how that would get old...it actually happens alot on the tarantula forum, people freak out when they're spiders refuse to eat then there's 20 million questions going "My T is'nt eating, is something wrong?" "When will she eat?" "I'm worried about my T." I mean I get it can be unnerving for a first time T owner to see their spider go a full 3 weeks without eating. XD and in their worry and sense of urgency they post the question without looking around first, which is also understandable. People tend to not think straight when they're worried. Besides, everyones situation is slightly different in a way.
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Re: When will he get better
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2012, 04:03:26 AM »

Not here really... only difference is that some learn, and start taking better care of the water quality, some even get to buy bigger tanks and most people just don't come back to the forum, most likely because all the fish died |:
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