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Skwishee
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2012, 08:36:22 PM »

Yeah I saw a whole bunch of Ryukins the other day when I was checking out garden centres, couldn't believe the price label on some of them. Mind you at least with a hefty price tag of 50/80 people won't go shoving them in bowls!!

I did see some Chocolate Oranda's that day as well and thought you would like them Nossie  Smiley

The shop also had the biggest tank I have ever seen, with goldfish happily swimming around, pretty sure I saw a panda moor? At least I think it was a black and white one, not sure if it's markings were correct to be classed as a 'panda' variety. I only caught a glimpse of him.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2012, 06:19:24 AM »

I sure hope so... mind you, there are always those spoiled kids with rich/st*pid parents @_@ (They mostly stay in movies, but they have to exist! There's always a reason behind stereotypes).

What wouldn't I do for a 30 gallon to keep a new oranda in... :'D I just have little Baby left now :'c

Aww, pandas are the cutest Smiley I do have a more liberal view on panda moors though, the show standards are pretty strict, so I call it a panda when it already is white with random black patches on Wink

<rant>People's ignorance bothers me so much... that they can't bring themselves to do some research or imagine how it is for other living beings... continuig to exploit everything :/ Argh. </rant>
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2012, 08:23:16 AM »

sometimes you need a good rant to get it off your mind Nossie... and I totally agree with your sentiments, I hate what is happening to animals, fish, birds and the environment, but most people dont give a shit about any of it... thats why I hang out here on this forum, we are all pretty well like minded. Cheers
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2012, 09:02:37 AM »

Just imagine a nice 50 gallon tank, with 500gph filtration, weekly water changes and 4 of these little guys Nossie  Smiley Maybe it will make you feel better

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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2012, 03:25:05 PM »

Ron: Yeah, it's nice to talk about it here! Most  people I know just aren't very involved/don't care too much.

Skwishee: Maybe! Cheesy What's that picture you tried linking to btw? It's that annoying "tripod.com" thing again xD
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2012, 04:38:01 PM »

Aww it didn't work? My post makes no sense if you can't see the picture! Lol  Roll Eyes
It was a really cute baby panda moor  Cheesy Maybe the link separate will work?

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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2012, 06:47:54 PM »

I still can't see it Skwishee.
Ok I seriously don't know what to do now. Four of the five fantails are being extremely aggressive. I removed them for 36 hours, rearranged the tank then put them in at bedtime, hoping they would sleep and accept Juniper and Elder in the morning. Didn't work, the new kids were exhausted, injured and in hiding by morning. What else can I do?? Taking Junie and Elder back is not an option, nor is rehoming the girls (obviously). I bought the tank for my much larger orandas so I've got to figure out somewhere to keep the fantails. As there are four offenders they can't have the 30gal and I'd really hoped the moors could have the 55...Argh! Why can't it be easy? Any suggestions?
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2012, 11:50:01 PM »

You can use egg crate to temporarily divide aggressive fish in  a tank until they get used to each other.

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You can buy a 24inch by 48 inch piece of egg crate in the 'lighting department' at Home Depot , Lowes and other hardware stores for about $12.  The egg crate can be cut to fit almost any aquarium size from a 10 gallon to larger sizes like 150 gallon. Use a wire cutter or hacksaw to cut the egg crate to the proper size to fit your aquarium and file down the sharp edges that have been cut so they don't injure the fish.  Here's a thread discussing how to cut the egg crate : (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

The egg crate will not interfere with the water circulation in the tank. You can use it to divide the fantails from the other fish for a few days or weeks , then slowly introduce one  fantail each day  to the side where the orandas are and see how to they get along ..
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2012, 04:29:37 AM »

I think nabi has the best solution really. I honestly can't think of anything to do as I've always just had one aggressive fish at a time, so it was pretty easy to just separate the one for a while Undecided I think you should definitely go look for this egg crate-thingie and give it a go Smiley
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2012, 11:02:10 AM »

Nabi- great idea! Thank you!
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2012, 12:08:09 PM »

Hope it works Cheri! I wonder why they don't get along?
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2012, 06:36:25 PM »

Nabi- karma! That was easy and sounds like it will work. They are ignoring each other (I dunno if I was expecting them to sniff through the "fence") but hopefully in a week or so they'll like each other.
Skwishee- those fantails act like a pack of sharks, scary to watch, poor Juniper is in iso all beat up.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2012, 06:45:37 PM »

Is it unusual for goldfish to act aggressively? I always thought they were peaceful fish?
Attacking as a pack? How bizarre..... I wonder what it is that makes them feel threatened to act out?
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2012, 07:46:47 PM »

It was really bizarre. I should have got it on video. The four of them would close in on Juniper and pin her to the ground biting. Junie has scratches and a torn fin, the poor dear. Their strange pack behavior showed intelligence though, they would work as a team to get them in the corner. In other news....I may have possibly brought home a lemon-head oranda. 0_0 I don't know what is wrong with me...
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2012, 08:49:34 PM »

I just realized that Ash and Williw can get through the grate easily. Lol! Luckily Ash is a sweet little loner and Willow isn't nearly so brave without his big sisters.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #45 on: January 09, 2012, 05:56:45 AM »

So if Ash and Willow are doing well with Elder and Juniper by themselves, I wonder which goldfish is the main ring leader of it all?
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #46 on: January 09, 2012, 07:38:24 AM »

Usually, if one fish happens to have something tasty, like a wound or a bloody fin, the others will start picking on it. They don't need to be aggressive at all, they just do it because it tastes good Smiley
Of course, some goldfish have their own "space" and when it starts getting crowded, in their opinion, they get aggressive.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #47 on: January 09, 2012, 08:07:04 AM »

Ahhh the things goldfish do for something tasty Roll Eyes
Hmmm but I wonder how it all started if the fish were all healthy to begin with?
Perhaps there was an instigator and the others followed?
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #48 on: January 09, 2012, 11:00:59 AM »

I've done a bit of research online and picking on the new fish seems to be normal, just not on this scale. Juniper is in iso for treatment but Elder and Unnamed Fish are doing ok with Willow.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2012, 09:34:15 PM »

Interesting fish behavior to report: I had the tank divided in half with Elder, Linden and Palo Verde on one side and the fantails on the other. Tonight I put Hazel on the oranda side since she was the most aggressive. She was fine but Holly and Maple seemed really distressed, they stayed right near the grate. When I put Holly on the other side they became aggressive again. So now I have a small part of the tank separated with H & H by themselves. Maple is despretly trying to get to them but I figure it's best to break up the pack since Maple isn't aggressive on her own.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #50 on: January 11, 2012, 03:20:47 AM »

Of course... hey, I have a book to suggest! "Fish behavior in the aquarium and in the wild" by Stephan Reebs, it doesn't have many pictures, save for a few illustrations for each experiment carried out, but it's a really fascinating book Smiley And who knows, maybe you'll find an answer there? I honestly haven't read it for a while now so I wouldn't remember anymore.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #51 on: January 11, 2012, 11:06:04 AM »

Hmmm would it be possible to put Holly, Hazle and Maple into a separate tank altogether? They'd be okay in your 30 gal perhaps?
If Willow is doing well with the oranda's she could stay there?

I mean of course this could be a last resort, but I heard an interesting case the other day, which made me think of you.
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I know your situation is completely different, but the behaviour aspect is still quite strange, how it suddenly appeared.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #52 on: January 12, 2012, 01:39:32 PM »

Skwishee- that was an interesting and scary thread to read! Luckily they aren't doing damage on that scale and Juniper's little bites are almost healed. Even though Maple, Ash and Willow are getting along I have noticed that the fantails have very different personalitys then the orandas. They are fast, active and always stay together. They seem intimidated by Palo as he is much larger. I also feel they may be overcrowded. With 8 fish in 125gal it is obviously not overstocked but they aren't happy and will probably not want Rowan, Aspen and Junie in there too. Anyways I am now checking around for a used 75-100 gallon tank where I can keep the fantails, maybe with one more addition. I'm not putting the last orandas in until the tank is fully cycled but at that time I'll put the fantails somewhere else.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #53 on: January 16, 2012, 06:40:09 PM »

SO excited! I had to come tell you guys! Problem solved! I found another 125 gallon tank for a (relatively) good price and it will be delivered later this week! Now all the "mean fish" can live by themselves in my bedroom (I'm going to put a few friends in before I ever move the girls in) and all my sweet orandas can have the living room tank! Of course this means I'll be doing about 5 hours of matinence a week AFTER the new tank cycles...I may try fishless cycling this time...dunno. Anyway super excited!

Oh, side note- the original tank appears to be cycled! Only took 22 days!
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #54 on: January 17, 2012, 02:31:53 AM »

Nice! Cheesy Congratulations! Cheesy

.... I'm so jealous of you being able to just decide "Okay. I think I'll need another giant, gorgeous tank.." and just getting one! :'D
Please keep us posted! Smiley
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #55 on: January 17, 2012, 05:10:21 AM »

Aww wow that sounds amazing Cheri!! Grin

Wow two 125 gallons.... that's like 500/600 litres!!! They must be 6 foot in length at least?!

What will you do with the other tanks? Smiley
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #56 on: January 17, 2012, 06:10:26 AM »

...give them to me? <3
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #57 on: January 17, 2012, 06:10:56 AM »

I can see my tank just shrinking now!! Cheesy
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #58 on: January 17, 2012, 04:59:52 PM »

They are only 5' in length I think...
Nossie-come get them and do my fish tattoo while your at it Wink
I'm going to sell the 29...disassemble the 55 I think but keep for breeding. 30 gal iso and keep the ten for Row to sleep in while we travel to shows... That's the plan at least, lol.
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Re: Problem with brand new tank!
« Reply #59 on: January 17, 2012, 05:22:35 PM »

My 55 gallon is 4 foot.
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