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Max B.
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Rearranging the tank
« on: January 06, 2011, 01:05:46 PM »

To my shame I decided not to go anymore with plants in my 10G tank. Sad I left one fake plant and one Anubias nana (as this is considered to be the hardiest aquatic plant by many people and I still want to see what will happen to it), two pieces of aged wood. When I started this tank I had no knowledge about how and what should be done in a fish tank and now after getting all pieces of advice it turns out that it is not as easy as I thought to have plants - no proper lighting, need for different fertilizers, lack of CO2 system (preferably pressurised), etc. So instead of rushing things I made up my mind to stick now just to the fish and get the necessary experience for the future when I will feel I am ready both with my knowledge and finances to start a planted tank. Though I could say one thing I started saving for a bigger tank and maybe with this one I will try to do some planting (following the principle: ask here first, then do it in your tank).

I am really sorry for being such a noob with all my mistakes I have done before.
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Re: Rearranging the tank
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2011, 01:35:36 PM »

Oh my gosh, don't apologize...after all we were ALL Noobs once too! Wink
The way most of us learn is through our mistakes.
Take this is a good learning experience and save all this wonderful knowledge you have for when you get your bigger tank!!
I'm excited for you!  I am also touched by your true love and caring for Kara. Smiley
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Re: Rearranging the tank
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2011, 01:51:36 PM »

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Oh my gosh, don't apologize...after all we were ALL Noobs once too! Wink
The way most of us learn is through our mistakes.
Take this is a good learning experience and save all this wonderful knowledge you have for when you get your bigger tank!!
I'm excited for you!  I am also touched by your true love and caring for Kara. Smiley

Kara is becoming something special to us, I purchased it from a shop which kept it as a feeder fish and it turned out to be a very nice Comet lady. I think I saved it from death (being eaten by a piranha or someone else...)
I apologize for being a nuisance - you folks put into us, noobs, so much effort that is why I felt sorry for not being able to cope with them.
Due to some room restrictions I am thinking of another tank in the range of 30-40G. Do you think it would be a good choice taking into consideration my ignorance?
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Re: Rearranging the tank
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2011, 02:03:20 PM »

When choosing a tank I would consider this:  1) Comets like to swim far and fast. 2) water surface to air (the larger the better)  so...in other words a longer 30 gallon tank would be better than a shorter and taller 40 gallon. Wink  You don't need depth in gallons as much as you need length in gallons! Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2011, 02:17:17 PM »

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When choosing a tank I would consider this:  1) Comets like to swim far and fast. 2) water surface to air (the larger the better)  so...in other words a longer 30 gallon tank would be better than a shorter and taller 40 gallon. Wink  You don't need depth in gallons as much as you need length in gallons! Smiley

Actually yes I knew this, one needs a longer tank with more surface than a shorter one with less water surface as the level of oxygen in the water depends on this. Am I right?
As for the Comets I would like to buy a pair to my Kara so it would not be so boring for her to sit in my tanks. And taking into consideration that a Comet needs 15G per fish it would be ideally to find a long 40G tank to have there 2 Comets and "smaller" goldie. Plus the old 10G Tank could be used as a quarantine tank and a hospital. Or a betta tank. It depends as no one knows what the future brings to us.
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2011, 02:34:57 PM »

Yes, you are right and using an aerator in the form of some kind of air diffuser always helps too. Smiley
You probably could have 3 fish live comfortably in a 40 gallon tank.  In a 30 gallon you could get by with 3 comets but only if you had a bigger filtration system to handle the bio-load efficiently.  So you would want a filter in the 30 Gallon that would over turn the water at least 300 gallons per hour but you probably already knew this.   Smiley
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Re: Rearranging the tank
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2011, 04:37:58 PM »

Max, Minde already covered the tank issues, and I agree as well with the following:
Please, please don't apologize, you are OK and we all started on here as "noobs" Wink Grin but we all INCLUDING YOU are willing to learn about this wonderful hobby.
And we all enjoy helping people like you.

Now to the plant issue: You really don't need a CO2 system, they are very expensive , as you know.
I have quite a few plants in our tanks, the only thing i use sometimes is "Flourish" or similar plant fertilizers, nothing else.
OK, from time to time some plants need to be replaced, as the fish nibble it away.
Algae? well they are a sign of a healthy tank, but look ugly. To keep their growth under control I use "Algae Control" ( plenty other products around for this purpose too Wink )

Have a look around in the pet stores, you sure will find what you need, and those products are not expensive.
They also may sell certain plants where you can chose 4 different ones for one low price.

And here are the reasons why I recommend plants:
1. lovely snack for Lady Kara
2. during daytime they produce O2 and consume CO2 (night time invers >>> see photosynthesis)
3. plants also consume nitrates (>>> see Nitrogen cycle)

But whichever way you go:  Can we see some PICS, please ?  Wink

And BTW; Lady Kara is very lucky to have such a good Fishdad Wink
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Re: Rearranging the tank
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2011, 04:47:18 PM »

Tee hee hee I'm still a noob! Grin
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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2011, 04:56:14 PM »

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Tee hee hee I'm still a noob! Grin

I am as well. Cheesy
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Re: Rearranging the tank
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2011, 05:00:56 PM »

Hanna,

I am not going to give away completely plants but will resort to them only as a food supplement to Kara. For instance buy occasionally some elodea for her. And I still would like to see some more Anubias nana in my tank. I kept only one so far (the only one it has been actually).

As for algae, I have a magnet scraper to clean up the walls on a weekly basis and with the rest we shall see.

As for the pics I will try to make some.
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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2011, 05:17:33 PM »

I've got the algae scraper too, but I use the algae controll to minimize the growth of them, lol, easier than scraping them off Wink
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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2011, 05:53:20 PM »

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I've got the algae scraper too, but I use the algae controll to minimize the growth of them, lol, easier than scraping them off Wink
In this case yes, it make sense to use it.
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Re: Rearranging the tank
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2011, 06:34:21 PM »

Can I just say one thing?
Yes algae is unslightly but goldfish actually thrive on it and it does help keep nitrates in check!
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Re: Rearranging the tank
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2011, 06:51:02 PM »

Just stick to hardy plants like java fern, anubias etc...This list may be of interest to you: (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)
Those plants will survive well under low light with the dosing of some fertilisers and flourish excel - although not necessary it will definitely increase their growth and appearance Smiley
It does take a lot of money, time and patience to setup a professional planted tank so I can totally udnersand why you don't want to go down that road. And also I think it is best to concentrate on your fish first and plants second Wink
So maybe when you get a bigger tank you good try doing a planted tank in the 10 gallon if you are still interested.
How many feet of room do you have for the tank? My tank is 3 foot and is 40 gallons - long not tall.  

For algae - make sure your tank is as far away from windows as possible. Lights should be left on for 8 -12 hours a day so try and figure out the lowest time period you can leave them on for your plants to get enough light.
I don't believe you can ever completely combat algae (believe me I have tried lol.)
As Minde said the goldies love it so I would just continue to clean the edge of the glass and if it gets to much on your plants then just use a soft sponge to rub it off.
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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2011, 06:55:36 PM »

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Can I just say one thing?
Yes algae is unslightly but goldfish actually thrive on it and it does help keep nitrates in check!

Correct Minde, algae control is not meant to eliminate them, but to keep it under control, ROFL Grin
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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2011, 06:56:17 PM »

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Can I just say one thing?
Yes algae is unslightly but goldfish actually thrive on it and it does help keep nitrates in check!

I have witnessed that already as my Kara kept on feeding on the bba which has been on Java Ferns. I am not sure if anyone is capable of removing it completely from the water.

Anyway everyone came to a consensus...
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Re: Rearranging the tank
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2011, 06:59:45 PM »

Max, please check your PM,  Wink
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Re: Rearranging the tank
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2011, 07:02:25 PM »

what does bba stand for?
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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2011, 07:06:53 PM »

I don't even know who Jack is! Roll Eyes
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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2011, 07:08:57 PM »

ROTFLMAO!!! Grin
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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2011, 07:09:39 PM »

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So maybe when you get a bigger tank you good try doing a planted tank in the 10 gallon if you are still interested.
How many feet of room do you have for the tank? My tank is 3 foot and is 40 gallons - long not tall.  

For algae - make sure your tank is as far away from windows as possible. Lights should be left on for 8 -12 hours a day so try and figure out the lowest time period you can leave them on for your plants to get enough light.
I don't believe you can ever completely combat algae (believe me I have tried lol.)
As Minde said the goldies love it so I would just continue to clean the edge of the glass and if it gets to much on your plants then just use a soft sponge to rub it off.

Thank you for the link, will have a look now. That is quite an impressive commentary, I really appreciate this.
As the dimensions - not really sure but our furnished apartment would not fit something bigger than a 50-55G tank and still this should be considered as my wife has some plans as well for the spare space available in the rooms. She wants a wardrobe so we need to negotiate.
The algae on the walls does not bother me. What I have experienced in the past is the green water and that what I do not want to have it back. Had to work hard to get rid of it.
As for the algae on the plants not all algae could be easily removed from the leaves. Like I said in my other forum threads bba I had on Java Ferns was practically impossible to remove with a sponge. Although I managed somehow to significantly diminish the amount of it on the leaves with Flourish Excel.
And it would be a good idea to try again a planted tank with my current one as soon as I get another one bigger.
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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2011, 07:12:33 PM »

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what does bba stand for?

Black Beard Algae
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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2011, 07:12:50 PM »

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I don't even know who Jack is! Roll Eyes

LOL, Jack is HIJACK ( hijacked thread, lol )
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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2011, 07:13:43 PM »

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I don't even know who Jack is! Roll Eyes

Cheesy Somehow I lost the line here, what are talking about? Cheesy
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« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2011, 07:15:09 PM »

whoops I just did again!!! Cheesy
Hello, my name is Jack, I just hijacked this thread! LOL!
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« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2011, 07:17:19 PM »

Go ahead Max, you can hijack one of mine...
Ok well carry on then with your algae discussion
Sorry for butting in! Cheesy
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Re: Rearranging the tank
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2011, 07:17:57 PM »

Oh I get it hiJACKed! Grin
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« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2011, 07:21:14 PM »

LOL, girls and boys, well, let's go back to tank and algae and see how we can help each other Grin
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« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2011, 07:23:22 PM »

Omg! you sound like a school marm!!!! ROFLMAO!!!!!!!
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« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2011, 07:27:44 PM »

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Omg! you sound like a school marm!!!! ROFLMAO!!!!!!!

BWAHAHAHHA just spit my coffee back into the cup....

Max, help!!!
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