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Skwishee
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Re: Re-decorated Goldfish tank!
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2012, 01:48:38 PM »
Hi Ron, just wanted to mention, from what I've read, I'm pretty sure goldfish can't suck out snails from their shells Smiley They don't have the capabilities because of how their mouths are designed and the strength of the snail in it's shell, takes some force to get it out. It's odd that you lost all the bladder snails though? Perhaps something they didn't like got in the tank?
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Re: Re-decorated Goldfish tank!
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2012, 03:56:12 PM »
well, my goldies ate all my apple snail babies :-(
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« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2012, 03:26:56 AM »
Maybe the babies were small enough to fit in their mouths?
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« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2012, 11:04:28 AM »
Goodness... two days of moving are finally coming to an end... the tanks are up and running and we only need to clean up and arrange stuff in here now Smiley

The 300L was a pain to empty and prepare actually, but I rearranged a lot of stuff in it again, including the flow of the filters Wink and the feeding corner... I think they'll be confused about the food for a few days... xD
I could only save 40 liters out of all that and had to let the goldfish in already. Poor Raven really hates big water changes, she has been peeling since I let her in Sad but it's getting better and she's acting normal and everything, it happened before right after I had gotten her so it should be okay... Smiley I'll be updating with pictures soon! Grin
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Skwishee
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« Reply #34 on: June 01, 2012, 04:23:28 PM »
Aww awesome! Congrats on the move! Glad the fish are okay Smiley
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Ron H
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« Reply #35 on: June 01, 2012, 06:55:45 PM »
Nice one Nossie, good luck with the new place, does more space mean more aquariums?  Grin ... thanks Sqwishee, Do you think the ryukins could have eaten them?, they have definately all gone MIA, I stripped the tank for a water change yesterday and none could be found... so far the bigger snails are doing well with the fishes (I gave the snails 3 weeks quarantine) I also found a few more in my pond so I have extras for my Q tank for breeding hopefully. Cheers > Ron
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« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2012, 11:25:47 AM »
Thank you both! Smiley

Ron, sadly more space can't mean more tanks, the walls and corners here are pretty well occupied, and I'm staying busy with the goldies for now Wink
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« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2012, 02:08:58 PM »
Ron, If a Ryukin can fit it in its mouth...... Sad
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Re: Re-decorated Goldfish tank!
« Reply #38 on: June 03, 2012, 08:48:46 AM »
Great to hear your fishees made the move ok. You are the pro Nossie.  Cheesy
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« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2012, 03:15:33 PM »
Thanks Wink
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« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2012, 03:50:53 PM »
Ron what type of snails were they?
It wouldn't surprise me if after the snail died, the fish ate it's body, as I've seen a snails body just fall out of it's shell and have seen my snails eat one if it had died. But then you would be finding empty shells? I'm not sure how well a goldfish would be able to eat a shell? Certainly not on any big species, but possibly smaller ones? Depends on the size of the fishes mouth I suppose!
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Re: Re-decorated Goldfish tank!
« Reply #41 on: June 16, 2012, 04:41:13 PM »
Nossie,
Your tank and fish are simply gorgeous!
I'm a plant fan too love all the plants in your tank!
I love the natural look too with all the rocks and plants and driftwood...lovely.
I'm betting the goldfish did eat the snails.
I once saw a fantail suck an apple snail right out of it's snail. Tongue
And down the hatch it went. Cheesy
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« Reply #42 on: June 17, 2012, 04:51:15 AM »
Thank you so much, Minde! Smiley
I  try out new plants whenever I can, and lately they've been successful! It's nice with some brighter plants in the tank finally.
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« Reply #43 on: June 19, 2012, 08:53:36 AM »
A fantail sucked an apple snail out? How on earth did it do that?
Was the snail possibly already dead?

I just really didn't think fantails or any goldfish, could suck a healthy snail out of it's shell like that? Maybe I'm wrong?
Research time I think Cheesy
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« Reply #44 on: June 19, 2012, 09:53:17 AM »
No it wasn't dead, saw it with my own eyes Shocked
I was visiting my sister and my niece was showing me her new apple snail and the fish came along and sucked that poor snail out of its shell and ate it!  My niece started crying, bawling really!  It was funny and at the same time shocking and sad. Undecided
She never did get another snail.  Her mother told her she couldn't have another one if it was just going to be fish food. Cheesy
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« Reply #45 on: June 19, 2012, 02:40:32 PM »
Was it a very big one? Or small?
Maybe it depends on the size of the snails, as I believed goldfish couldn't suck them up, due to their mouths not being designed to, unlike loaches and puffers. Hmmm.....
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« Reply #46 on: June 19, 2012, 03:43:41 PM »
I don't know here at our petsmart they feed snails to their goldfish but smaller ones.
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« Reply #47 on: June 20, 2012, 06:12:43 AM »
So thats what happened to Antonio....
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« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2012, 10:39:12 AM »
Bad news Sad

I've lost two more of my goldfish from the overstocked days, Cream and Marmalade both died within two months from moving. It's very possible that they got weakened from the stressful and sudden move (Our plans went wrong somewhere and we had to leave in the last minute). Now I'm down to 6 goldfish, which is most likely more suitable for my tank size anyway Cry
R.I.P my cuties...
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« Reply #49 on: July 16, 2012, 11:07:58 AM »
Sorry to hear that Nossie; But I think that you are probably right about the cause Cry
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Re: Re-decorated Goldfish tank!
« Reply #50 on: July 16, 2012, 12:38:41 PM »
Oh no!! How big is your tank again? Wasn;t it like 80 or 90 gallons or something?
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« Reply #51 on: July 16, 2012, 02:50:58 PM »
Yep, it's exactly 83 gallons, so 6 fish should be extra comfy there I guess... Smiley

Then there's the fantail at my parents' place who has outgrown the tank that I was considering taking care of, but not until I know that the water quality is stable and the fish are healthy. Do any of you (scrivens especially) have a comment on this? Not sure if I should do it if it wouldn't be ideal for my current fish... even if I do feel bad for the giant fantail in the small tank Undecided
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Re: Re-decorated Goldfish tank!
« Reply #52 on: July 16, 2012, 04:51:21 PM »
Oh Nossie, I'm so sorry to hear about your loss Sad
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« Reply #53 on: July 17, 2012, 03:47:47 AM »
Hmmm..up to you Nossie about adding the fantail, but to me 6 goldfish is about fully-stocked... 

adding to the bio-load might cause health problems.Why not let the tank and your fish settle down after the move, and think about in a few months time? 

If you feel you've got to take on the extra fantail you might look at increasing your filtration. You could add the extra filtration now to get it run in. adding one fish is going to increase the bio-load by 15-20%...so an extra tray depending on your filter set up.

Having said that, your fish were doing fine before the move, so I'm guessing that your filtration is pretty good anyway Grin
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Re: Re-decorated Goldfish tank!
« Reply #54 on: July 17, 2012, 04:07:15 AM »
I agree with scrivens, extra filtration!

83 gallons... if we go buy the typical 20 gallon for the 1st +10 gallon per fish rule, according to that you can have up to 7 goldfish  Smiley
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« Reply #55 on: July 17, 2012, 07:59:02 AM »
I suppose 7 goldfish would be okay if I'd have enough filtration, my tank is actually slightly under-filtered. Altogether, my filters deal with 2500 liters/hour and I'd need about 500 more, but there isn't much more space on the side where I have the filters so I'm not sure how to solve that problem... I have been considering getting another canister filter and running that and the Eheim together, but... no spare money for now :C

I already decided that whatever happens, I have to keep my current goldfish safe and healthy, so we'll just have to wait and see what happens if I'll be able to take care of the other fantail. Hes about the size of Raven currently (meaning about 5 inches).
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Re: Re-decorated Goldfish tank!
« Reply #56 on: July 17, 2012, 08:16:37 AM »
Nossie, I don't think it's an issue when everything in the Tank is fine..It's just that there isn't much latitude if things go wrong

I think you're right keep your present fish safe   Grin

I'm hoping to win the lottery, then I might be able to afford my upgrades Wink
 
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Re: Re-decorated Goldfish tank!
« Reply #57 on: July 17, 2012, 11:41:37 AM »
I agree with scrivens unless you get the rest of the filteration.
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« Reply #58 on: July 18, 2012, 11:17:35 AM »
It just sucks that it's close to impossible to get any more advanced tank supplies around here, nobody has tanks bigger than mine (generally) and especially not with goldfish so there isn't any serious filtration available. I was thinking about getting a filter from Amazon or Ebay, but we'll have to wait and see....
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« Reply #59 on: July 23, 2012, 03:01:26 PM »
If you're only 500 lph short, that isn't too much under Smiley But I agree two canisters would be more media and bacteria, than a canister and internal (which is what I think you have?)
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