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Elliriyanna
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Re: rehoming goldfish
« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2010, 05:25:53 PM »

he did not take them and told me to flush them because they arent worth it Sad
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Re: rehoming goldfish
« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2010, 03:40:16 AM »

Urr....? So he saw them and decided that he doesn't want them or he didn't wanna show you his pond?

Well, either way I have to say "lol" to him.

By the way, never flush a dead/dying fish, ever.
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Re: rehoming goldfish
« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2010, 05:11:09 AM »

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he did not take them and told me to flush them because they arent worth it Sad

 Angry  Angry i could smack him Angry  Angry
those people do not deserve to have any pets, neither friends
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Re: rehoming goldfish
« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2010, 10:08:49 AM »

he decided they arent worth it because they are feeders and because I am treating them which btw this is not showing signs of being fin rot as it NEVER got any worse even in the week i did not treat them.

But on the bright side they are doing well Smiley other than the ammonia burns but those also dont seem to be getting any worse since I started the water treatments.

And I have flushed dead pets in the pets its how I was taught. But the last few that dies werent from illness they all got in a fight.
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Re: rehoming goldfish
« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2010, 05:30:11 AM »

Fin rot is a tricky disease that most beginners can't recognize until the fins are obviously frayed. When I look at the pictures of your fish, they do look a bit uneven in the edge, and especially the spotted one's fins look strange. It look like his dorsal has been hurt as there's a piece missing from there, on the front edge. And his tail... well, it looks like the upper lobe is more or less destroyed. Any idea what has happened to him?
If I were you, I'd continue treating, and observing them closely.

And about flushing, the main reason you shouldn't do it while the fish is barely alive, is because it's a horrible torture to the fish. And the reason you shouldn't do it to a dead fish, is because you could be spreading disease to the local waters, like ditches and the like.
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Re: rehoming goldfish
« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2010, 08:34:41 AM »

I truly think that another fish was not fed well and munched on him. he was the healthiest in the tank. And his tail really isnt that bad. he still swims very well. And Spaz is the black spotted one. Bubbles is the red and white one. I am treating them though and is it really that bad? Sad I thought since they were acting great it'd be fine
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Re: rehoming goldfish
« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2010, 01:44:10 PM »

You know that without treatment, it will get WORSE. Just keep that in mind whenever you're dealing with sick fish! Treat in time, and treat until you're sure that no more symptoms are showing on the fish.
They will be fine as long as you treat them and take care of them and their water Smiley
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Re: rehoming goldfish
« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2010, 01:57:33 PM »

I've been doing everything every day treatments every other day water changes ...
My test kit arrived today and I tested the water

Ammonia : .25 ppm
Nitrate: 20-40 ppm ( dead center color )
PH 8 ( which is normal for here)
nitrite : 2-5ppm ( closer to 5 )

Also bubbles gills are burnt and now his eyes are clouding over and he's hiding Sad Idk whats wrong i've done everything I can Sad
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Re: rehoming goldfish
« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2010, 04:28:19 PM »

Hi Elli, it is ammonia and nitrate, they are shocking.
do a major waterchange, min 50%, better 60%, add plenty of beneficial bacteria and conditioner. But the beneficial bacteria are very very important to add. do you have them? do you have a detoxifier for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate? I do have PRIME from seachem, there are also small bottles available, they are not expensive

hope all will turn better for you and your babies very soon. good luck
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Re: rehoming goldfish
« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2010, 04:06:55 AM »

I'd say the problem lies in all the results but the pH. You really need to change a huge amount of water asap to repair this problem. The ammonia and nitrite are toxic in themselves, but this high reading of nitrate will be weakening your fishes' immune system.

So it's quite obvious why the gills are burnt and the eyes are clouding.
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Re: rehoming goldfish
« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2010, 09:42:05 AM »

I can go get a detoxifier tonight. I put bacteria and tons of water conditioner in yesterday and his eyes cleared up a little and and he's eating a ton and swimming around Smiley I'm going to go get this tonight (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.) and that should work well.
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Re: rehoming goldfish
« Reply #41 on: July 30, 2010, 01:43:26 PM »

I retested the water today

Ammonia .25 ppm
PH 8
Nitrite 0
Nitrate 5-10 ppm
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Re: rehoming goldfish
« Reply #42 on: July 30, 2010, 04:39:31 PM »

Well done, Elli  Wink

keep doing 12% waterchanges, ammonia should be 0.00 ppm too.
The only strange thing is that as long there is ammonia you should also have some reading of nitrite.
Keep testing too.

With those fantastic aids like bacteria boosters, your tank should be cycled soon.
Please keep posting how things are going and how your tests are. Thanks.

I am proud of you, you do an excellent job there Grin
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Re: rehoming goldfish
« Reply #43 on: July 30, 2010, 04:58:16 PM »

I dont think the ammonia will ever be 0.0 ppm with goldfish without an aid to remove it. I put in bacteria and lots of water conditioner and a 30% water change. I have no idea why the nitrite showed 0 and the ammonia .25 ... I did the test right and waited the right time.

The water is still super cloudy and taking a yellow tint Sad Bubbles eye cleared up though. They are hiding a lot again too and eating less but still seem healthy.

Thanks so much Smiley hopefully everything starts going well soon Smiley BTW your new goldfish is so cute Smiley

 as soon as the tank is cycled I can change the filter media right? With the melafix i had to remove the charcoal so its not cleaning very well.
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Re: rehoming goldfish
« Reply #44 on: July 30, 2010, 05:16:41 PM »

THANKS, Elli Cheesy

we got our 10 neons yeastersay, they are together with the betta and two catfishes in the small tank which first was home for our first 2 goldfish.

the reading of  ammonia could be a trace left from prevoius tests too  Huh
Do you still treat with melafix?

You can give the sponge and the filter parts a wash and rinse in a bucket with old tankwater, to remove poo and things...
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Re: rehoming goldfish
« Reply #45 on: July 30, 2010, 05:51:59 PM »

Your Welcome Smiley

its actually this kind of cartridge (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

I bought the tank intending to keep bettas in it. I wanted to prove to myself I could take care of a pet so I got the goldfish thinking it would be easy ... wow was i wrong.

No I clean the tubes well after every use. The ammonia is right.

Thats what I wanna do when i get the ten gallon Smiley Neons a betta and two ADF's Smiley it wont be over stocked. neons school Adf's never get over an inch and A betta wont be too big. Maybe just the frogs and betta to with lol
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Re: rehoming goldfish
« Reply #46 on: July 30, 2010, 06:46:37 PM »

well, maybe the colour print of the reading chart is not quite 100% right, but 99,9%  Grin or there is just a tiny fraction of it in the tap water? who knows...

Yes, neons, a betta and 2 catfishes are a nice community tank. Maybe just a small tip for you: we started the tank with the betta only, but we bought him already out of a tank where he was with CF and neons. So he is used to tankmates.
A week later we got him the 2 CF. And only now ( yesterday ) after 4weeks we got the neons.

BTW: you'll get your tank right with your GF shortly and then it is easy to care for them too, you'll be fine. Wink
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Re: rehoming goldfish
« Reply #47 on: July 30, 2010, 06:55:34 PM »

I'm doing my best it just seems its never enough.


and no i'm adding the others fish so he doesnt get dominant lol ( been there done that not a good thing)

I think GF just produce too much ammonia.

And ADF's are frogs ... But maybe cory's would be good ... I'll see when i get there lol.

How will i know when its cycled?

And how are all your little buddies?
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Re: rehoming goldfish
« Reply #48 on: July 31, 2010, 02:40:47 AM »

You're doing well, Elli, it may seem to you that it is not enough, but it will be fine.
It is just that your tank couldn't cope with the "load" of fish so quick. The water should clear soon, keep doing those waterchanges.
It will be cycled when it is clean and the waterparameters are ok.
Then you still should test once a week and do your weekly waterchanges.
I know, at the moment it seems to be never ending but it will settle.

We had to do it too, as the big tank wasn't cycled, but there was no choice but introduce the fish asap. Now all is settled.
And our little buddies are doing well, thanks for asking  Wink If you like, you can have a look in pictures and videos on this forum  Wink
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Re: rehoming goldfish
« Reply #49 on: July 31, 2010, 10:09:06 AM »

thanks Smiley I'm going on a trip for a few days starting today though and I'm not sure the person I'm asking will remember to feed them let alone do water changes( its just someone I live with) But they will be fine Smiley They are back to there normal selves Smiley

There Melafix treatment is finally done Smiley
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Re: rehoming goldfish
« Reply #50 on: July 31, 2010, 10:56:26 AM »

I'd like to add, that neons can grow even 2 inches if kept well d: But I have only seen few fish like that in my life, and that's in the most awesome fish shop in town Grin *cough*

And really, it's easy to keep fish, as long as you've provided enough space for them from the start, but I know how it is not knowing. So it happens sometimes that it seems harder than it has to be Wink
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