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Goldiegirl
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Return of the Scales?
« on: December 13, 2011, 12:34:33 PM »

Hey all! It's me!  Wink Just had a quick question regarding the growth of goldfish scales...my white oranda Crystal has been missing a few ever since an ammonia spike about 2 months ago. There was a group of three missing scales...one has grown back, but the other two remain un-scaled (don't know if that's a word lol). I am wondering if there is anything I can do to promote the growth of those scales besides regular water changes and keeping the area clean, or if they are just permanently gone?!  Shocked I hope that isn't the case. Will add a photo so you can see it clearly.
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2011, 04:45:36 PM »

My Raven lost a few scales because of my bullying pleco, he tore her sides up in several smaller patches and I even managed to catch him in the act, seeing several large scales inking to the bottom (Took him away to the pet shop after that and all my fish have never been happier <3).
After that, since she had pretty torn fins and a few wounds, I added some salt to the tank, quite a lot of salt for such a big tank... xD
And now, only a few weeks later she has all the scales again and is back to the original velvety black Smiley
If you're concerned you could add a little salt, but other than that, I don't think you need to worry as long as no signs of fungus or anything would show Smiley
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Goldiegirl
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2011, 04:59:57 PM »

Good to hear that pleco was removed! Many other kinds of fish (not goldfish) can really harass goldies, as they aren't the fastest fish and produce an abundant, tastey slime coat. Thank you for telling me that story, will add a bit of salt and see if that does anything...I would just hate to have the scales be gone for ever, she is such a pretty fish! Thanks again!
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2011, 11:39:00 PM »

her tones are lovely and such a very clear picture of the problem Goldie, nicely done... its amazing that the scales can regrow that quickly Nossie, do they form from the skin or regrow like maybe fingernails? I would be interested to know. Regards all > Ron
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2011, 05:18:30 AM »

I agree, Crystal is lovely with the sparkly scales so they need to grow back! Wink
The pleco was being very friendly while he was small, but then he grew bigger and decided that no one was allowed to get food besides him so... :/ Just figured it'd be better to sacrifice one fish for the good of the whole tank rather than letting him stress them all. I noticed that none of them have torn fins any more! Before I assumed that it was the water quality or something so I started changing more water more frequently, but it didn't seem to change anything Huh Maybe the pleco was simply sneak-attacking them when I wasn't looking.. >>

Ron: I tried to keep an eye on Raven during the time I was treating the tank, but honestly it was like magic! Shocked I looked at her one day, the wounds weren't very clear and suddenly, there were new scales! But I do think they might be working in a similar way as finger nails, considering their texture and those rings on them Smiley Maybe?
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2011, 01:34:23 PM »

Thank you Ron, I too hope they will grow back ASAP!  Smiley And you too Nossie, will pass that on to Crystal herself.  Wink She really has become such a mellow fish...she used to be so aggressive when Onyx passed away- she got into "tank protection" mode as the "queen" of the tank. Ever since I put her outside when the temp dropped it pushed a reset button on her brain I suppose. Now she just minds her own business and begs for food whenever possible.  Tongue I know what you mean about sacrificing one fish for the good of all...a recently got a beautiful little oranda/ryukin cross named Sunny, but he has begun to display very aggressive behavior for one so small! Must be the ryukin in him...they like to nip other fish because of the shape of their heads enabling them to do so. I love the little guy to death, but I can't have him stressing out my other babies by tearing their fins off soooo...I think it may be back to the store with him.  Sad Just like that pleco of yours Nossie...fish can be pretty selfish little creatures sometimes!
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2011, 02:51:52 PM »

Oh, it sounds like such a lovely little fish! Have you tried separating him already or...?
It's pretty strange when a new fish gets all cranky, especially when they're so small. Have you had him long? Smiley
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2011, 03:10:31 PM »

Interesting thread about scales.... I've noticed with Lucky some she's lost, have grown back, but there are one or two that I imagine she knocked off at some point, that have been missing for a number of weeks now, maybe she has the same problem as your goldfish GoldieGirl?

I think to be honest I just accept Lucky for all her little woes, her missing dorsal fin (which has a mysterious black mark behind the spike these past few weeks, that I just can't figure out what it is >.>), those mysterious veins in her tail and now her bald spots where scales are missing. She worries me sometimes, but I'm hoping when she is moved to the bigger tank, it will be much better for her  Smiley Sometimes I even hear her swim into the side of the tank when she goes to fast and doesn't stop in time Sad Poor fishy baby...

Sorry to hear about the pleco Nossie, how big was he when you had to remove him? As you got Raven quite recently didn't you?

Crystal is such a beautiful fish, I hope her scales grow back soon! It would be interested to hear if the salt helps  Smiley
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2011, 03:45:20 PM »

Nossie: I have, but it hasn't worked. I tried feeding him less too, as I've noticed that if one fish gets more than the others it makes them try to pull the "king of the tank" stunt. It's not really a minor behavior issue, it's more genetic, if you know what I mean, him being half ryukin. He is about 4 times smaller than Crystal but has a hankering to tug at her fins, peck at her sides, and generally bully all the other fish as well. I don't know if he even knows what he's doing! He thinks Koroit's tail is a leaf of lettuce of something.

And I just got him a week ago today. Haha, in the bag on the way home I heard an odd squeaking noise and after a while figured out it was him! He was so eager to get out of the bag he was rubbing his face on it while wiggling back and forth. <3 When he came home he had a single ich parasite hanging onto the edge of his tail so I fried it with a dab of peroxide and it was gone the next day. Grin I hate to have to take him back! He is so fat and cute...light orange with a white head and orange lips. He also has orange stripes on his white tail. You know what maybe I'll just post a picture of him lol.

I love him so much already and he really is a sweet fish aside from being a jerk to everyone sometimes, but I don't want the others to be all stressed out.

I have the salt in there right now, hopefully that will do something to speed up the growth process of Crystal's scales.

Skwishee: Thank you! I love her to death. <3 The mysterious black mark you are speaking of on Lucky, Skwishee, sounds like a sign of healing. It may be a small ammonia burn that is recovering or the tail end of a minor injury. But we come to love our fish for their little personalities and not what they look like...well jeez, we even love them for all their little quirks too!
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2011, 03:56:39 PM »

Skwishee: He was roughly 20cm, and just 7 when I bought him, so it hurts a little giving away something I sort of "grew" myself :'D
I've had Raven for about a month by now I think (I do write down the dates when I buy my fish so I'll remember!).
Made sure to get him to a shop where he'll be given good care and a good home Smiley Next time I'll be passing by I'll ask about him Wink

Goldiegirl: I see, well then you probably have to either keep him separately forever, or simply hand him back to the shop Undecided
Such a shame, really! He sounds so adorable! I'd love to see some photos Smiley
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2011, 04:11:53 PM »

Goldie Girl: Someone else suggested an ammonia burn, but with the tank being stable lately I wasn't sure that was the culprit or not. I wonder if maybe she caught her little spike on something, but yes, I figured being black it was something healing although I don't know what!
 
I hope the salt works Maybe you could get a seperate tank for your little fish that's being aggressive? Or I once heard something about confining a fish in like an old veg basket or something can sometimes sort the behaviour? I forget which thread on here I saw it in....
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2011, 05:35:37 PM »

Awww poor Nossie. Well in a way you did "grow" him by feeding him and taking care of him and such. Maybe he'll go to a good home with a big tank he can lounge around in all day.

Skwishee: Hmm maybe...I know that the dorsal fin of the goldfish can get stuck in the mesh of a fish net (partly why I rarely use them anymore) so maybe she got it snagged on something then pulled it free.

Yes, he's in a plastic floating basket right now so he won't bother the others too much (well, at all really), but he really is so hyper he wants to get out! *sigh* I don't want to give him away, but if I keep him in the main tank I would hate to look in and see him harassing the others. I would hate for his behavior to cause little Miss Crystal to lose her marbles again. Right now I don't have the space for another adiquate tank, so I'm really just left with two choices.
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2011, 02:27:43 AM »

Skwishee: When I got my oranda, Berry, she had some small chunks of her dorsal and pelvic fins missing. When I got her and quarantined her in salt, it all started healing and developed black edges. After having her for maybe 2-3 months, it was all gone and her fins had grown back to normal Smiley It could be that Lucky is missing a little piece there that's healing up Smiley

Goldiegirl: I bet! Smiley In any case, he's indestructible, and I don't think any newbies would buy something that big and frightening looking xD

Aww, I can see the ryukin kind of nose on him! Cheesy Really cute Smiley
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2011, 05:01:30 AM »

yep you can see it, he has that ryukin attitude written all over his little face, for some reason they remind me so much of staffordshire terriers or bulldogs... it would be nice if you could find a solution Goldie, they endear themselves to you so quickly it's must be so hard to give them up. cheers
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2011, 05:12:40 AM »

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Goldiegirl: I bet! Smiley In any case, he's indestructible, and I don't think any newbies would buy something that big and frightening looking xD
when i went to get my first fish i really wanted to get one of the huge ones  Cheesy so don't be so sure  Tongue big plecos are so adorable looking<3
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2011, 06:17:14 AM »

Adorable looking maybe, but hard to keep healthy if you don't know what you're doing.
Not to mention that they need proper tank mates as well.
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2011, 11:47:28 AM »

Nossie: That ryukin mouth of his will be his undoing if he keeps up his "ryukin attitude" lol. When I saw him in the tank with the others he was so sweet to everyone, (part of that was probably that his big brother was there that was 5 or 6 times his own size) never bullying or biting (he was putting on an act to get me to take him home) and then after a while of being in my tank decided he liked playing Boss. I don't think when I was a newbie I would have taken home a giant pleco first thing, no matter how cute it was. Guess I was easily intimidated...goldfish were hard enough to keep alive at the time anyway!  Cheesy

Ron: He TOTALLY DOES look like a bulldog to me now X'D you never should have said anything lol. Today I am letting him out of the floating basket and will see how he does...maybe the separation will work for him *fingers crossed* and I won't have to take the little cutie back.
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2011, 12:05:42 PM »

One of my Ryukins likes to let the apple snails get all the way to the top of the tank, and then he pushes them off the glass so they fall all the way back down Sad
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2011, 05:01:16 PM »

Goldie: I wouldn't ever keep a pleco with my goldfish again! Small plecos wouldn't get enough food, and larger ones usually bully the goldfish so it's not a good combo, sadly Undecided I'd rather have a giant, lovely pleco with some cranky cichlids or something Grin

scrivens: Aww! :'D My snails tossed themselves off the glass and plants on purpose, like little suicide bombers xD
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2011, 05:21:53 AM »

Aww Scrivens XD That reminds me of the time I was seeing to my snails, one was at the top getting some air but I knocked the tub by accident the snail lost his air bubble and sank to the bottom Embarrassed
Poor Mr Snail...
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2011, 04:33:37 PM »

I've been wondering if scales come back too as my Larry fish has a couple missing towards his tail and have'nt appeared to grow back yet. :/ He's in great health otherwise though. I know Curly, my comet goldfish picks on him sometimes but I dunno if he nibbles Larry. I've seen all my goldfish make "sucky face" at eachother like they want to kiss. XD

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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2011, 06:27:37 PM »

I actually saw two goldfish kiss in a pet shop once... I wasn't entirely sure if they were trying to steal food the others mouth or what XD It was very cute though!
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2011, 06:38:54 PM »

Goldfishnoob: Well, it could be that something's off in the tank. Even though the fish are acting fine, they simply can't be, in such a small space. I of course understand the situation, but I'm sure that as soon as they'll have a bigger, safer environment, the scales will grow back Smiley It might be sort of delayed being in a small tank like that. Some of my goldfish had missing scales too, but they grew back once I upgraded Smiley
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2011, 05:24:21 AM »

Goldfish do some wrong things sometimes.
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2011, 06:18:00 AM »

@nossie

I must admit that my snails have been known to go in for "Base jumping" Shocked
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2011, 07:13:14 AM »

Yeah! It's so funny to watch! Cheesy However I do feel worried that they might hurt themselves or something (even if they don't weigh much) Wink
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2011, 02:24:44 PM »

Well I had to bring Sunny back to the store today. The moment I let him out of the basket he began munching on Koko's fins as if they were lettuce... I really loved that fish! Why'd he have to go and be a jerk to everyone!

 Cry
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2011, 02:47:56 PM »

What about scale color? Can that come back? I noticed that Curly, my sarasa comet use to have alot of orange, like a full patch all the way down his back and sides, but now he has only half that and it's not as bright. It's like he's becoming more white.
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2011, 03:28:27 AM »

That's so sad, Goldie! Sad It just hurts bringing a fish back to a shop... Even if they were mean :/

Goldfishnoob: Yes, it can, but it's usually not a very "nice" orange Smiley Some of my fish that dropped scales got pretty pale scales growing back. But it's very common for goldfish to change color altogether!
Berry almost had white head growth at one point, but now she has grown much more red allover her body Smiley
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Re: Return of the Scales?
« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2011, 11:50:40 AM »

Nossie: I have another dilema...as soon as I got rid of the last one, my mom heard about it and bought me another goldfish! Lol, she's so sweet  Wink Well I had no choice but to put her in my tank (the goldfish, not the mom) and examine it. She's a little orange oranda with a puffy headgrowth, but I noticed right away that she has a severely disfigured mouth. Like, when she opens it, only part of it opens and the rest is stuck shut. I'm worried about her being able to compete in the tank with jumbo Crystal the pirhana and my other babies. Do you think she'll do ok? Have you ever had experience with other fish that have special needs? thanks.
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