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Hanna
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SALT for FRESHWATER FISH like GOLDFISH ?
« on: April 27, 2010, 05:39:54 PM »

Hello to everybody.

I start to question the regular use of aquarium salt for FRESHWATER fish which our goldfish belong to.
As I am "greedy" for information because I want our fish to be happy in an environment tailored to their needs I searched the net and I found other info where they advise NOT to use salt, only in some exceptions.

They say: (I'll use my own words)
-As they are FRESHWATER fish and they originally come from environment with 0 salt like most captive fish, adding this salt wouldn't relieve osmotic stress BUT CREATES IT.
-Salt allows to keep fish in a lower than ideal water quality. Because salt stresses FRESHWATER fish they are more sensitive to get deseases (>>> increase the sale of medications) And parasites can adapt to salt if added regularly.
-Salt acts as an irritant which makes the fish to produce a thicker slime coat. The irritant causes stress and again more sensitive to illnesses
- according to osmosis, the salt concentration in the fishes blood stream is about 15-17 pp thousand. Raising the salt concentration in the water slows the osmosis down, so it slowes down the intake of electrolytes as well.

Please think about this one and let us discuss it.

THANKS


PLEASE LET ME KNOW OUR OPPINION ON THIS !


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Re: SALT for FRESHWATER FISH like GOLDFISH ?
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2010, 01:48:31 AM »

I would dare say that this is when you have too much of salt in the system, or for too long. Because salt has always been a good treatment for parasites, bacterial infections and so forth. And in one of my books, in the sickness section (which a veterinarian wrote) salt is recommended almost always when you can't find a reason for the fish to be sick!
It relieves the pressure on the gills, for example, in case of treatment of wounds or water quality problems with nitrite, although it slows down the filter bacteria.
But yes, it makes the fish stressed when you add it and they're not used to it, but at the same time, it will take care of parasites or bacteria. It works much as when a person uses salt dissolved in water for desinfecting various wounds (like a piercing).
Overuse of salt has also created a few strains of more resistant parasites (Sorry, I can't remember their names) but in Japan, they use no other medication than salt, and let nature do the rest.

So I think this is not about salt as a treatment method, but more as in the use of marine salt. So YES, it shouldn't be used unless you're treating for parasites or disease. Keeping a constant amount of salt in the tank isn't very advisable.

Yey, you make many interesting threads! Cheesy
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Re: SALT for FRESHWATER FISH like GOLDFISH ?
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2010, 03:52:12 AM »

Thanks Nossie,  Cheesy

it is just because I never take things as granted, lol.
Well I used to when I was a very young girl, I would have believed in  it if somebody would have told me "in heaven there is a carneval" lol,  Grin

But I am glad that you confirm as well, NOT to use salt as a general thing, only in case  some treatment is needed.

I also read different opinions on those weekend feeder blocks, only a few without problems, most do create problems... well Brian and me we will go away for 2 days, 1 overnight stay and I will feed them in the morning before we leave and then the next day in the evening when we come back.  Cry
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Re: SALT for FRESHWATER FISH like GOLDFISH ?
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2010, 12:56:40 PM »

Like I said in a previous thread, you don't have to feed the goldfish in 14 days and they'll be fine (:

I would REALLY not recommend any feeder block for being away for less than two days, really d: They would most certainly rather pollute the water and probably make your fish sick... so rather leave them completely without food during the time you're gone!
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Re: SALT for FRESHWATER FISH like GOLDFISH ?
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2010, 03:53:17 PM »

Thanks Nossie, yes I remember that thread.

They will get brekkie before we leave and the next day tea when we come home  Wink

(Same with the wild Lorikeets... they will need to diet for one morning.... gee they screatched this morning out there. Must have been a trouble makeer in amongst them.)

According to those blocks, it would be interesting to know why they tend to pollute the water. I suppose because of the minerals in there.

And according to the use of salt I was thinking, maybe Hep got stressed because I added some in the new water when I did the waterchange after Hump got stuck in that rockhole at Easter. I did this with a few waterchanges after.
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Re: SALT for FRESHWATER FISH like GOLDFISH ?
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2010, 02:55:20 AM »

Feeding blocks are designed to dissolve and let out food for the fish, right? And having a big piece of food gradually dissolving in a tank (especially such a small one with only two fish) is really not to recommend Wink

But yes, I recently added a bit of salt to my tanks too, and for a moment when I added the salt there the fish reacted really quickly and started swimming fast. After a few minutes they calmed down, though. But they ARE freshwater fish after all Wink

On a nice side note: I'll be saving up a bit of money for the 317 liter tank now! (: I got a great deal with free gravel, filter and lighting! Grin And also 20% discount on EVERYTHING I need for the tank the first month! (Water conditioners, medications, foods, filters, plants...) I wonder when I'll be able to get it! Cheesy
And I went to the other pet shop and got myself the orandas, but I asked them to keep them there for 2-3 more weeks, so I hope I'll have the big tank by then, set up and with my first 4 fish in it so I can quarantine the orandas! (:
It's a chocolate-blue oranda of sorts, and a white one with red back and partially red headgrowth! They're so sweet <3 I decided to name them Choco and Raspberry! (Might add "Sargeant" or "Captain" before their names at some point for the lulz.)
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Re: SALT for FRESHWATER FISH like GOLDFISH ?
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2010, 04:25:33 AM »

I AGREE not good to put a foodblock in a small tank

And Nossie I am soooooooo excited for you, more sweet fish-children.
Cannot wait to see pics.
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