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tigerbear17
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sick ryunkin goldfish
« on: February 15, 2010, 06:33:30 PM »

I am new at goldfish, I have a 40 gal long tank that I had some platties in. I traded them in for 3 med ryunkins. Before I got the fish, I did a 25% water change, and made sure that all my levels were ok in the tank. I also adjusted the temp in the tank from 78 to 72. I have an outside power filter with a bio-wheel and a good air stone in the tank. Just a few days after getting my goldfish, they seemed to have small specks on their tails..I thoght it might be ick. I took out the charcoal insret in my filter and replaced it with an ammo remover. I treated the tank with coppersafe..no improvement at all after 10 days, so I then added some maracyn II thinking it may be also some kind of bacterial infection also. Well I have lost 2 of my 3 fish. The specks on their tails have grown to yellow bomps all over their bodies, mainley on their fins, as well as lots of freying of their tails. They just seem miserable. What can I do to save my last fish as well as what should I do to get rid of whatever it is in the water that is killing my fish??? PLEASE HELP ME!!!! Thanks Karen
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Re: sick ryunkin goldfish
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2010, 07:09:11 PM »

I would add aquarium salt...1 TBS per 5 gallons.....also add melafix and pimafix.  Melafix is a soothing antibacterial remedy and pimafix is for fungus.  Use according to bottle directions.   I would also strip down the tank, clean it really good and throw out your gravel and plants and start over!  Sounds like your fish were sick to begin with.
Would the place where you purchased  them give you a refund?  I sure hope so!
Otherwise I'd find fish elsewhere! Sad  Good Luck!
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tigerbear17
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Re: sick ryunkin goldfish
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2010, 07:37:47 PM »

I have a 7 day warranty on my fish. So it's now 4 days past, so they wil not refund anything. I think I am going to start all over and do a whole new set up. How long do I have to wait for the tank to cycle again???It has been up and runnting for about 3 years now. Do I have to get rid of the gravel and plants??? Can't I just clean them with the rest on the tank??? I do add aquarium salt to my water, when my fish are sick as well as water conditioner's whenever I do water changes. I usually do 10% every week or so, and I also keep my filter media clean as well I rinse my sponges with the water taken from my water changes. I also have the bio-balls in the filter so there is beeficial batcteria in the tank all the time. These fish were brobably sick from the start, I got them from pet smart, I will never get fish from there again!!! What should I do with my remaining fish?? I don't want it to suffer, and I don't like the idea of just putting it into the freezer. My husbond thinks I should let the meds I but in the tank do their thing for a while and see what happens, I am so comfused. HELP!!!
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Re: sick ryunkin goldfish
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2010, 01:48:31 PM »

I just learned that a tank would need to cycle for about 2 weeks before adding any fish, to avoid the "new tank syndrome". But you could speed it up by saving the bacteria in the filter, keep it running in a bucket or something while you set your tank up anew. Although, it might be something less nice in that filter as well, after your previously sick fish. So it may be better exchanging the filter media and avoid this speeding-up process.
Keep an eye on the water parameters while your tank is cycling, you'll notice sooner when it's alright to add fish that way! (Ammonia levels should be on 0) But there is one more thing that I am using for my tank that is incredibly useful! It is a kind of conditioner that is full of these beneficial bacteria, it lowers nitrites and other pollutants in the water. It should be added once a week and with every water change, which most likely will be once a weak anyway ;p It's called Nitrivec, by the German brand Sera. Just in case it might be available somewhere there! You could try adding this into your fresh tank and see if it helps your water values!

And... I wouldn't throw the gravel away, nor the plants (GOSH! The waste of money! :'O) But I would clean them thoroughly in tap water at least. I've also heard of a special aquarium desinfectant that can be used as well. Ask at your pet store maybe?

Try treating your fish, one fish alive is better than none (:
But if you do feel like he's only suffering (or if you tried treating him and he won't get better) you should put him down carefully by cutting the spinal cord behind the head with a sharp knife, putting him in a bath with clove oil, or simply taking him to the veterinarian.

Good luck still! Hope he'll get better!
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Re: sick ryunkin goldfish
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2010, 05:19:16 PM »

Thanks for the info. My last fish is just lying on the bottom of the tank right now, he probably won't last too long. Poor fishy!!! I an going to do a complete strip down ASAP. There is an aquarium disenfectant you can use to clean everything, that will not harm the fish afterwords, I am going to get that with some new filter material as well as the beneficial bacteria additive that you mentioned. I am just going to clean everything thoroughly and start over again!!! I did a little digging on what might have happened to my fish, my hubby helped me when I came home with my new fish. After floating the bags for 15 min, he un knowingly just dumped the entire contents of the bags into my tank. Fish and possiably contaminated water as well!!! I had told him to empty the bags and water into a bucket I use for my water changes, and net the fish only!!! He thought he was saving a step!!! Not his fault, he is not too familiar with fishies!!! I do hope that when this is all cleaned again, that there will be nothing like this to happen again. I had beautifull ryunkins, though I will be getting my new fish somewhere else from now on. Sometimes I think the stock at the big commercial pet shops is not the best quality!!! Thanks again,  Karen
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Re: sick ryunkin goldfish
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2010, 06:42:15 PM »

The fish were probably already sick and dumping the water they came with into your tank, probably didn't matter at that point.  Stripping down the entire tank is a very good idea and I'm happy to here you will be throwing out the filter media as well!  While it's true it contains good bacteria it can also harbor bad bacteria as well.
And not all Petsmarts or other chain pet stores are bad.  I get gorgeous, healthy fish from mine and have been very happy with our Petsmart.  Your petsmart may have just got a bad batch of fish and if you don't let them know what happened they cannot be given the chance to rectify the situation.  I hope everything works out for you now.
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Re: sick ryunkin goldfish
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2010, 07:05:12 PM »

What is a not too terrable way to end a goldfish's suffering. Mine is not doing well !!!
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Re: sick ryunkin goldfish
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2010, 01:59:56 AM »

water change every day.. also add a salt.. and you need to stock your water..
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Re: sick ryunkin goldfish
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2010, 11:30:30 AM »

I mentioned two humane ways to put him down in my earlier post (: But it was so full of stuff there that you might have missed it d:

"you should put him down carefully by cutting the spinal cord behind the head with a sharp knife, putting him in a bath with clove oil, or simply taking him to the veterinarian."
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Re: sick ryunkin goldfish
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2010, 05:24:35 PM »

Thanks for the reply, mother nature took care of the fish for me. I have just finished totally stripping down the tank. Everything is soaking in a dilluted bleach and water bath. I am going to begin filling it up again sometime tomorrow. I have been to my local fish place and have all my necessary water conditioners and new filter material as well as the cycle bacteria to re stock the tank with healthy bacteria, as well as new test kits for everything!!! Hopefully this time around everything will be better. Thanks again for the help. Smiley
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Re: sick ryunkin goldfish
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2010, 10:47:13 PM »

^^ All the advice I have for you is make sure you give your fish time to adjust to its new surroundings. Monitor it a while once its swimming freely and take note of its behaviour. If you see anything out of the ordinary, seek treatment option immediately, because often times when symptoms show up its too late. Remember partial water changes, I have a bottle of Nutrafin Cycle that I add to mytank every week for regular bacteria maintenance. Smiley Good Luck! I wish you all the best for you and your fish Smiley
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Re: sick ryunkin goldfish
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2010, 11:14:52 AM »

Aww, too bad he didn't survive... but maybe it was too late for him already?

Anyway, glad to hear you're starting anew! Sounds like a really good beginning for your new aquarium (: Good luck! ^^
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