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Max B.
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Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« on: January 05, 2011, 01:59:49 PM »

1. How big is your tank:  Gal / litres
10 G

2. For how long has the tank been set up:
Since September 2010

3. How many fish:
1

4. What kinf of fish:
Comet

5. What are the water parameters:   
Ammonia  - 0 ppm
Nitrite      - 0 ppm
Nitrate     - 0 ppm (actually I was surprised to find no Nitrateds, may be the plants have consumed all Nitrates)
pH           - 7.5
Temp        - 29 Celsius / 84 Fahrenheit


6. How often do you perform water changes:
Weekly

7. How big are your waterchanges:     
10-20%

8. What kind of waterconditioner are you using:
None, the water just stays for a week in buckets

9. Do you add beneficial bacteria:
No beneficial bacteria is added, only Flourish Excel 3x dosing per day for the plants and to fight some bba on the leaves of Java Ferns.

10. Symptoms your fish is showing:
None, apart from having something on its anal fin.

11. Since when does your fish show these symptoms:
May be for a week, but this happened may be a month - a month and a half ago and I did some Mela/Petafix for three days and it seems to me it has passed.  

14. Post pics of the sick fish:
I provide you with a short video of the fish, may be it would be more clear to you what is that stuff.
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What I have done a couple of days before I treated the water with Melafix and Petafix dosing per instructions for 3 consecutive days as a prevention. The fish as I said does not show anything uncommon to her normal behaviour - she eats, she is active, attacks my plants as always.

So, dear friends, do you know anything about this? I do not know even how to call this thing in English.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2011, 02:33:49 PM »

So you said it passed?
Did it come back?
looks like a bit of fungus to me. Smiley
The only thing I can see wrong is your water temp being so high!
Can you get the water temp down to in the mid 70F at least?
Float bags of ice or bottles of frozen water in the tank
do frequent water changes with cooler water. Smiley
Goldfish are coldwater fish and prefer temps of about 68F.
But i keep my tanks at around 72 F.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2011, 03:20:18 PM »

Yes, I do recall it having there a certain period of time and then it passed. Now it is there again.
The temperature is indeed higher than it should be but I am not using any heaters. I guess the temperature is rising because of the lighting. I will try to lower down the temperature with the ice cubes but it will take some time - I do not want to stress the fish with a sudden change in temperature. I guess it will take a couple of days until the desired temperature will be achieved.
As for Mela/Petafix am I doing that right? I mean should I use both remedies in this case? Or maybe something else could be done as well?
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2011, 03:28:16 PM »

I'm a big fan of Jungle products?
Fungus eliminator is a great product also antibiotic food by Jungle is great too.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2011, 03:31:12 PM »

Max you will need to take any carbon out to treat also, your plants may not tolerate treatment Undecided
I love the jungle COMPLETE WATER CONDITIONER it has methylene blue as well as salt in it.
Lowering the temperature and using that might work.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2011, 04:57:39 PM »

Apart from this:
Weekly waterchanges about 50%
Add waterconditioner to remove chlorine chloramine and heavy metals from tap water ( they aren't removed by letting the water sit in a bucket for a week ) ( for example Prime by seachem ) and you can use the water straight away
Use beneficial bacteria ( for example Stability by Seachem )

Pimafix and Melafix are good but you may need stronger meds
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2011, 05:32:50 PM »

Ok, I see. Will try to follow your pieces of advice. Actually I was using Nutrafin Aqua+ for a while but then read some opinions that by just letting water stay for a period of time, the chlorine/chloramine would leave the water. That's why I stopped for a while adding water conditioners.

The same goes for adding the beneficial bacteria which I have as well. It just did not cross my mind that one needs to add the bacteria even after the tank has been cycled. It did not sound to me as something logical that's why I stopped adding bacteria as well. :-)

And I thought of doing 50% water change only in cases of emergency and not on a permanent basis. Or maybe I got you wrong, Hanna?
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2011, 05:35:25 PM »

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I'm a big fan of Jungle products?
Fungus eliminator is a great product also antibiotic food by Jungle is great too.
Actually I tried Jungle fungus eliminator tabs but did not like the color the water becomes if using it. I tried it with my previous fantail. Never tried the antibiotic food produced by Jungle.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2011, 07:08:42 PM »

oK, mAX, UNLESS YOU HAVE WELL WATER THAT IS LIKE SPRING FRESH, you will need to use a water condtioner to take out chlorimes.  Letting water stand in a bucket for 24 hours will take out chlorine but NOT chlorimines.  also any heavy metals in the water system will be taken out by some water condtioners.  Beneficial bacteria should be used anytime you perform a water change which should be ona weekly basis unless your test results are pristine then you can skip a week.  Once the tank is cycled, you have to keep an eye on your nitrates and anytime they are 40 ppm then it is tem to do a water change!!!
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2011, 07:20:30 PM »

To keep the temperature down you can buy chillers, but I believe they are expensive.
You can also buy aquarium lights that do not emit enough heat to raise the aquarium water temperature.

If the temperature is always this high then you will probably have to go with one of the above options. But if it is not usually this high then you can just continue to add ice to the tank.

Chlorine does evaporate if you leave the water in a bucket for a few days, but it does not remove the chloramine which may also be in your tap water, so to be on the safe water I would still be using a water conditioner.
You could ring up the water facility and ask them what they use to treat the tap water in your town? If they only use chlorine then the method you have been using will work fine.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2011, 07:33:46 PM »

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OK, MAX, UNLESS YOU HAVE WELL WATER THAT IS LIKE SPRING FRESH, you will need to use a water condtioner to take out chlorimes.  Letting water stand in a bucket for 24 hours will take out chlorine but NOT chlorimines.  also any heavy metals in the water system will be taken out by some water condtioners.  Beneficial bacteria should be used anytime you perform a water change which should be ona weekly basis unless your test results are pristine then you can skip a week.  Once the tank is cycled, you have to keep an eye on your nitrates and anytime they are 40 ppm then it is tem to do a water change!!!

Ok, I will do as you've suggested. I am not trying to show my arrogance & stubborness just my lack of knowledge and expertise in this. I have really understood what has been suggested in this thread and on the forums and of course will follow it. Definitely my tap water is not spring fresh from a well. Will do my shopping tomorrow.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2011, 07:34:20 PM »

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To keep the temperature down you can buy chillers, but I believe they are expensive.
You can also buy aquarium lights that do not emit enough heat to raise the aquarium water temperature.

The water temperature is always high like that so i'll try to swap the lights tomorrow. As for the chemistry you have already convinced me back into using water conditioners to be on safe side.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2011, 08:40:07 PM »

Max,
What kind of lighting is it that you have?
Incandescent will burn hotter than florescent.
also, you need florescent lighting to grow plants.
Incandescent will be inadequate.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2011, 08:50:27 PM »

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Max,
What kind of lighting is it that you have?
Incandescent will burn hotter than florescent.
also, you need florescent lighting to grow plants.
Incandescent will be inadequate.
The hood is built for incandescent lighting as far as i understand. So to fit fluoroscent lights there I need another hood. I guess i'll have yet to wait with plants. Sad
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2011, 09:39:55 PM »

I have a 10 gallon with the exact same problem. I think it is fluorescent lighting though but it is still really hot.
If you tank is similar to mine you could just remove the hood and then buy a light to sit on the top of the tank?     
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2011, 09:59:15 PM »

Max,
You can replace those incandescent bulbs with led bulbs.
I know they have them at walmart in the fish section.
You don't have to buy a whole new hood.
the led bulbs would not give off very much heat if at all.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2011, 10:14:39 PM »

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Max,
You can replace those incandescent bulbs with led bulbs.
I know they have them at walmart in the fish section.
You don't have to buy a whole new hood.
the led bulbs would not give off very much heat if at all.

I'll try to look for the led bulbs, I wonder how they look like. Are they something special for fish tanks? The reason I am asking is that I do not recall our Canadian Walmart having some sort of fish or a pet department.

[update] I checked google images and I've got an idea what it might be.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2011, 10:17:45 PM »

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I have a 10 gallon with the exact same problem. I think it is fluorescent lighting though but it is still really hot.
If you tank is similar to mine you could just remove the hood and then buy a light to sit on the top of the tank?

Mine is Hagen 10G fishtank. Actually I am able to remove the case with the lighting and not the whole hood. It comes separately and is placed on top of glass of the hood. Maybe raise the light a bit higher? I need to try this to move it higher for let's say a couple of inches.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2011, 10:39:54 PM »

Actually I am wrong there are 2 fluorescent bulbs. It is not incandescent lighting. I am sorry for misinformation.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2011, 04:27:58 AM »

My large tank has a temperature of 25 degrees, and as far as I'm concerned, that's ideal to me Smiley In many of my books it's been suggested that even though goldfish are cold water fish, they thrive in temperatures of 70-80 F. In this case, I'm pretty sure the temperature in your tank isn't the problem, unless it's fluctuating, or if you don't have any air stones to provide more oxygen.

Fluorescent bulbs tend to get pretty hot too, I have those, and the hood is usually pretty warm when the lights go out. But I also have LED lights in the quarantine tank, and that has no impact whatsoever on temperature, so if you want, you could check them out Smiley They last for very, very long too! Cheesy

The thing on her fin looks like a small patch of fungus, as people have already pointed out, so you can treat that with various meds. Look out for something especially for fungus. I have a salt that treats both fungus and parasites + it oxygenates the water, and I really love it Wink In case you're interested, it's called "ectopur" by the German company Sera.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2011, 07:13:39 AM »

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My large tank has a temperature of 25 degrees, and as far as I'm concerned, that's ideal to me Smiley In many of my books it's been suggested that even though goldfish are cold water fish, they thrive in temperatures of 70-80 F. In this case, I'm pretty sure the temperature in your tank isn't the problem, unless it's fluctuating, or if you don't have any air stones to provide more oxygen.

The temperature is not fluctuating - it is high as this all the time, the only difference might be 0.5 degree as the water cools down a bit during night.

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Fluorescent bulbs tend to get pretty hot too, I have those, and the hood is usually pretty warm when the lights go out. But I also have LED lights in the quarantine tank, and that has no impact whatsoever on temperature, so if you want, you could check them out Smiley They last for very, very long too! Cheesy

I am just not sure if the led bulbs will fit due to their bulky shape.

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The thing on her fin looks like a small patch of fungus, as people have already pointed out, so you can treat that with various meds. Look out for something especially for fungus. I have a salt that treats both fungus and parasites + it oxygenates the water, and I really love it Wink In case you're interested, it's called "ectopur" by the German company Sera.

I wonder how difficult it is to find Ectopur, just checked the online sites and noone seems to sell it. Didn't check the petshops though.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2011, 07:26:26 AM »

If you cannot find Ectopur, there is also Protozin ( by Waterlife ) available, or Tri-Sulfa-tablets ( by Aqua Master )
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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2011, 10:15:54 AM »

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If you cannot find Ectopur, there is also Protozin ( by Waterlife ) available, or Tri-Sulfa-tablets ( by Aqua Master )
Thank you. I'll consider these as well.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2011, 11:59:45 AM »

Start Right Complete water Condtioner would also be good to try.  It is by Jungle and has salt and Methlylene Blue already mixed in.
I use the crystal form.  It comes in a white jar/bottle.  It might take care of your fungus problem and it does not change the color of the water. Smiley
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2011, 12:49:37 PM »

Hi All,

I started treating the problem and here what I have done:

1. I have done 50% water change at the same time syphoning the gravel. (You should have seen the mess - so much mulm  and dirt coming out of the gravel);
2. Removed carbon from the filter leaving just biological media and some sort of sponge material for mechanic filtration;
3. Water conditioned with Aqua+ - I had exactly one last dose for my tank. I will need to buy new soon. (will try to see the recommendations from this thread)
4. With new added water I cooled down the water in the tank by exactly 1 degree. Still thinking of how to reduce the heat coming from the light. (haven't been yet at a shop)
5. Started treating fungus by adding Pimafix per instructions on the bottle (which states that it deals with fungus infections)
6. Started treating the fish just as a prevention with Melafix per instructions on the bottle;
Both Pimafix and Melafix will be added for 7 days, afterwards a 25% waterchange;
7. Added some aquarium salt;
8. Added some bacteria from Cycle made by Hagen.
9. I have done some rearrangements in the fish tank but I'll start another thread for discussion in the appropriate forum section.

As I have said previously I do lack some expertise in fish tank keeping so I wonder if what I have done is correct?
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2011, 01:30:06 PM »

You did brilliantly!!  Bravo!!!
Now see if there is an improvement in 4 days.  If not you may consider treatment of another kind.
Also, you will want to keep coolingthe water down with floating bags of ice.
Good job! Wink
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2011, 01:53:37 PM »

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You did brilliantly!!  Bravo!!!
Now see if there is an improvement in 4 days.  If not you may consider treatment of another kind.
Also, you will want to keep coolingthe water down with floating bags of ice.
Good job! Wink

I will keep an eye on the fish and if there is no improvement I will switch to Jungle Fungus Eliminator which comes in tabs.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2011, 04:20:04 PM »

Max, very well done  Grin

I like it seeing people like you having the spirit.

According to the light giving that much heat: you may want to keep the lid of the hood open, if you haven't done it already. You also can put a fan in front of the tank to keep the water temp down.
Floating icebags is good too, but please condition the water just in case they will leak while melting.

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« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2011, 05:06:44 PM »

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Max, very well done  Grin

I like it seeing people like you having the spirit.

According to the light giving that much heat: you may want to keep the lid of the hood open, if you haven't done it already. You also can put a fan in front of the tank to keep the water temp down.
Floating icebags is good too, but please condition the water just in case they will leak while melting.

Actually as a temporary fix I just raised a bit the hood with the lights on one side so the warm air moves out of it and goes higher in the skies. But what I plan tonight is to add something beneath the light case so it stays higher from the glass and water.
As for the ice I've a leak free plastic bag so it melts just inside the bag. Smiley
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2011, 05:52:40 PM »

Hello Max, this is wonderful the steps you have taken very happy to see your enthusiasm and taking the excellent advice from everyone  Grin This is a fun hobby once you get many of the basics under your belt. I am still very new but have come a long way with the help of these lovely ladies. Starting to feel more confident every day.
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