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Max B.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2011, 06:38:11 PM »

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Hello Max, this is wonderful the steps you have taken very happy to see your enthusiasm and taking the excellent advice from everyone  Grin This is a fun hobby once you get many of the basics under your belt. I am still very new but have come a long way with the help of these lovely ladies. Starting to feel more confident every day.

That is why I am here and that is why I am still here... Smiley
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2011, 10:09:00 AM »

Now we'll all just wait for improvement Smiley It's so great to have someone on the forum who asks for help and then is willing to listen to the advice given Smiley
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2011, 12:31:39 PM »

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Now we'll all just wait for improvement Smiley It's so great to have someone on the forum who asks for help and then is willing to listen to the advice given Smiley

It's only second day of treatment, no changes in behaviour and the fungus is still there. I have done the second dosing of both Melafix and Pimafix.
Though yesterday I have noticed some long trails of poo hanging out, so gave her half of a frozen pea (with the shell taken away) to get rid of constipation. Will give the same on Saturday and Sunday.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2011, 12:46:10 PM »

Max,
Try this...this is a well known treatment used by top breeders.
Take Kara out and dab the fungus with hydrogen peroxide on a Q-tip.
Put her back into the tank...you may keep treating as you are.
I used this method just recently and the spot was gone in 2 days.
Another method is take Kara out in a net and place her in, 1 part hydrogen peroxide to 9 parts water.
Keep her in the net and "dip" her for 10 seconds in the hydrogen peroxide solution and then put her back into the tank.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2011, 04:36:52 PM »

wow, never knew about this. it doesn't seem human Smiley to me putting Kara completely into this hydrogen peroxide solution though I know that we do not mean any harm to the fish. I might consider doing the first method you have mentioned.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2011, 04:57:26 PM »

My new little Jilly had a tiny bit of ammonia burn when I first brought her home just over 3 weeks ago.  I added the recommended amount of aquarium salt and pimafix and it has all but cleared finally. One little edge is still black but that may very well be natural colouring. Perhaps you can think of it as like one of us taking a nice soothing soak in a natural hot spring, there is all kinds of healing minerals in there.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2011, 09:43:39 PM »

Hope Kara gets better soon Smiley I can't offer any more advice than what has already been given really, if melafix and pimafix don't heal it you could look into getting some stronger fungal medications. If hasn't changed within 3-4 days of treating it, you should try something else.

Best of luck Smiley
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2011, 11:35:30 PM »

Well, I got so many pieces of advice, I thank everyone involved in the discussion, if there won't be any result by sunday I'll try something else as suggested here. Hopefully I do not need this.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2011, 04:05:16 AM »

April: It's not natural coloring, I assure you Wink But it can take months for all those spots to go away completely Smiley Nothing to worry about Smiley

Max: I am treating one of my fish for fungus as well, it's the 5th day of treatment, and it seems to be disappearing Smiley I'm using the salt I recommended to you! I agree with Minde's methods, if this first dose won't work, you should definitely try it out Smiley
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2011, 08:46:11 AM »

The third day of treatment:

Fungus seems to diminish but it's a guess as I cannot prove it giving exact criteria apart from eyes. And it does not grow - that is for sure and evident.
Gave another frozen pea for constipation matter. :-) Have a nice weekend folks.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2011, 01:27:46 PM »

I hope it continues to heal Max, good that it is not progressing. Thanks enjoy your weekend too.

Nossie this is good to know that it will just take time Smiley thank you.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2011, 04:31:12 AM »

Anytime, April Smiley Everybody on the forum knows by now that my oranda had some parts missing of her fins and black spots where they were healing, which is why I'm pretty sure about that Wink
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #42 on: January 09, 2011, 06:13:05 PM »

Nossie, it means you have a goldie veteran living in your tank. Smiley I can imagine how the fish tells the stories of its adventurous youth to younger siblings or neighbours... Cheesy
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2011, 06:23:56 AM »

Hah! Cheesy Maybe she is! Wink She's the biggest one, and I believe she might be the oldest in the bunch Smiley
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2011, 06:53:55 AM »

Yeah soon I bet Orbitz will be telling my future orandas and black moors. Of how to behave and what too eat! Cheesy
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2011, 09:29:29 PM »

Ok, that was the fifth day of treatment and the thing did not disappear completely. It hasn't grown (which is good) but it did not disappear. I want to try to spot treat the thing as Mindemae suggested with Q-tip and hydrogen peroxide. I am not sure though how it should be applied - just a quick touch (less than a second) or should I hold the Q-tip at the spot for a certain period of time? Mindemae, what would you say? And because the fish is to be taken out, how would you do it?
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2011, 10:11:37 PM »

Hi Max,
This is what I did:  get everything ready before you take the fish out.  Pour a little hydrogen peroxide in a little container.  Have a Q-tip next to the hydrogen peroxide.  Wet a washcloth or small hand towel.  I kept my fish in the net and placed on the wet towel, while still in the net.  I used a "white" net, smaller hole less abrasive than the standard green ones.  It works quicker and better if you could have someone hold the fish while you apply the hydrogen peroxide.  Hold the fish gently but firmly on the wet cloth, in the net.  Dab the q-tip in the hydrogen peroxide and "paint" it on the fin with the fungus.  Dab and paint until the fungus area is covered.  Be careful not to get full strength hydrogen peroxide in the gills or eyes!  Should take about 10 secs the most.
Carry the fish back to the aquarium and gently place her back in the tank.  I would leave the lights off for awhile until her next feeding time any way. Smiley
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2011, 10:15:42 PM »

Mindemae, thank you very much for your prompt answer. This is how I have imagined it should be - use a cloth (wet cloth as you suggest), put the fish on it and paint with Q-tip the fungus area. Though the area is really small - just a small dot on the fin. So actually I have only to touch once or twice the dot and put the fish softly back into the tank. I just wonder with what the cloth should be wet, I guess this should be the water from the tank? And another question, is it done as I understand only once? Or do I have to repeat this after a period of time?
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2011, 10:22:43 PM »

You have to hold the fish firmly, as she will try and struggle some and you may end up with a shower. Cheesy
Yes, I would use a bit of tank water to wet the cloth. 
Look for improvement by the second day after treatment.
If it is not smaller still you may repeat the treatment again but I think you will see improvement and about the 3-4th day the spot should be almost, if not gone. Smiley
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2011, 10:27:03 PM »

I recently used this on one of my fish that scraped herself.  She had a white dot growing on the scrape I noticed.
I was talking to aimeekat and she said that Ken from Goldfish Connection reccommended this as a really safe and less risky way of treating with chemicals.  Well it worked for me and my fish...I hope it works for Kara as well.
If you do this treatment and a second one and it does not work then I would look for other methods, chemically.  Give it another week after 2 treatments I would say just to be sure or of course choose another method if the spot grows bigger!  Give us an update on how Kara does and this treatment works for you! Smiley
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #50 on: January 10, 2011, 10:35:33 PM »

Ok, thank you very much once again, tomorrow is the d-day... Smiley I will keep you updated. I strongly believe this might be a better solution than Pimafix.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #51 on: January 11, 2011, 08:31:26 PM »

Ok, today I made the operation on Kara and it seems that it had an immediate impact on the fungus spot. It looks as if it has gone. I am posting the video for you to see. Actually I have taken the video of ... khe-khe... long trail of poo she had (the longest I have ever seen). I wonder if that is constipation or it might be a result of the stress Kara had to pass through today lying on my table under my "sharp" Q-tip. I am confused where do the fish get the constipation from as I feed her only once per day in the morning with some pellets for goldies and there usually just a dozen of these small pellets (just between my two fingers). There are gone within 3 minutes - all of them.

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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #52 on: January 11, 2011, 10:13:26 PM »

Well, except for the long poo, she looks great! Smiley
I really think that due to the amout of stress she was under, being taken from her environment while you administered the touch of hydrogen peroxide caused her to release more poo than usual! Wink
Anyway, if I were you I would break up her feeding and feed twice a day instead of 1.
Goldfish are naturally grazers, hence the long digestive track.
Small meals more frequent are better for them instead of 1 large, which can lead to constipation.
Peas are good also, as a treat besides the regular meals.
Goldfish graze apon plants and algae throughout the day also.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #53 on: January 12, 2011, 08:07:04 AM »

Goldies don't have a stomache, like other fish, so as Mindemae says, they need food a bit more frequently. Twice or three times a day should be just perfect Smiley And try to vary her food a little bit too! Buy some live foods like blood worms, tubifex or shrimp Smiley They're available in gel, frozen or freeze-dried. If you don't want to prepare food forever for your fish, freeze-dried is perfect since you can pretty much just toss a few worms into the tank Smiley Shrimp are high in fiber and should help keep constipation away.

Check out the "Guide to feeding Veggies" thread for more information about what to feed your fish Smiley
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #54 on: January 12, 2011, 09:27:31 AM »

Thanks, will follow your advice.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #55 on: January 16, 2011, 01:39:55 PM »

Update: I have finished the treatment discussed above and I have some worrying outcome. I have done the spot treatment by hydrogen peroxide and now the tip and part of the anal fin darkened. I wonder is it the reaction to hydrogen peroxide or it might be something else. On thursday I have done 50% waterchange. I'm gonna do water test now but I doubt there will be some ammonia or nitrites.
Here are test results:
pH - 7.5
Am - 0
Ni - <0.1 mg/L

(which is even less than the first step on the scale of the test, the result is completely transparent water with tiny tint). According to the test reference it is a safe level.
Na - < 5mg/L
(the same explanation as Ni).

I think I might do another 50% waterchange today.
I started as well adding water conditioner with every waterchange.
Kara does not seem to be bothered by this darkening - her behaviour is usual, she is active and not stressed.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #56 on: January 16, 2011, 02:24:15 PM »

Max, the darkening might be from the slight rise in the nitrites.  some fish are sensitive to even the slightest bit of change in nitrites from zero to a tiny bit.  Nitrites are a form of less toxic but still ammonia present in your tank.  Don't worry about the darkening at this point.. it is harmless and a sign of healing, much like a bruise we would get.
I wonder if you would consider a bigger tank in the near future which would be so much easier to keep the water quality more constant, and especially since Kara has grown. Smiley  75% of ammonia present in the water is from Kara just breathing which the ammonia is excreted through the gills. With the water temperatures being higher, Kara is breathing more and her metabolism is higher thus creating more ammonia in the tank. 25% of ammonia is excreted through excrement or poo, which the ammonia then is changed into the nitrites.  adding a bacteria booster every time you do a water change, right to the filter media, and a more often water change will be more beneficial to Kara. Smiley
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #57 on: January 16, 2011, 02:35:27 PM »

Bigger tank is a strong consideration by me at the moment as I have started saving some money on buying a bigger tank (30-40G as I have said previously). It will take a bit of time to get enough to have full kit at once and convince my wife in this "enlargement". And frankly I really want to have it bigger as many times I am told that for a beginner one needs something bigger than just 10G. Anyway I am determined to do another waterchange today as there is this amount of Ni in my tank. As for the darkening I have been afraid that it might be in a way some fin rot. Thank you, Mindemae, you are a bottomless source of knowledge to me.
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #58 on: January 16, 2011, 03:37:55 PM »

Fin rot would be the opposite, paler edges of the fins Smiley And they usually tear up before they turn pale.
She'll be just fine if you'll keep doing the regular water changes and the rest like normal.
I really hope your family will agree to a larger tank! They make a wonderful addition to any room in the house Smiley
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Re: Something is on the anal fin of Kara
« Reply #59 on: January 16, 2011, 03:43:07 PM »

Max did you test the water coming out of the tap yet? I often have varying degrees of nitrite and ammonia in my tap water which is frustrating when those are the very things you are trying to eliminate by doing a water change  Roll Eyes Hope Kara heals up perfectly  Smiley
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