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Kahime
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Soon to be new fish owner - Need tank set-up advice
« on: June 09, 2011, 12:12:04 AM »

Hi!

So I've moved into a new place, got settled, and decided I want some beautiful goldfish.

I've been doing some research for the last couple of days and I'm going between a 37 Gal Tall tank and a 29 Gal tank.

I'd like 4 fish - currently thinking Ryukin, Black Moor, Panda, and possibly another Ryukin or Telescope.
(Not sure yet.)

This question really spans multiple sub-forums...

1) Is this an acceptable mix of fish? From what I understand I think they should be fine together.

2) I won't be able to get all four at once, how long should I wait to introduce a new fish?

So back to the tank...

My main concern is cost of the equipment but also sustainable space for the fish to grow to full size.

The store I looked at tanks in had stands for $150-200 for the 37 gal, which is a little too much on top of tank price (29 gal was $65 plus stand of about $150 whereas 37 gal was $117 + stand price)

Online I saw these and was wondering if anyone has an opinion on their durability:
edit: guess i'm too new to post links, oops!
so one's on petsmart and is the Topfin Durham Aquarium Stand
the other is on amazon and is the Aquatic Fundamentals 29/37 Gallon Upright Aquarium Stand

Much more price effective but I want to make sure they'll last!

My next question is about the other tank elements:
1) What filters/air pumps/heaters/thermometors are recommended? Any specific brands?
2) I'm thinking of getting some fresh water plants for the fish, are there any good recommended ones? This is an area I'm completely unsure about and could use some advice.

Thanks in advance for any help and advice!
I'm really looking forward to picking out my fish and want to make sure I have everything prepared for them in advance Smiley
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fantailer
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Re: Soon to be new fish owner - Need tank set-up advice
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2011, 05:04:28 AM »

Yea those fish will be fine together.

You should get one fish at a time and quaritine it for a month

For tanks you should get the 37 gallon so your fish can grow full size.

For filters I suggest Aquen ( i think its spelled that way)

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Nossie
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Re: Soon to be new fish owner - Need tank set-up advice
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2011, 06:50:43 AM »

You said the 37 gallon was tall? That's not a good choice for goldfish, they need a lot of oxygen, so a goldfish tank should be wide/long rather than tall, if you can find one! Smiley

1. No. Moors should be kept only with moors, otherwise they may not get the food they need.
2. Get one-two small goldfish for starters and then wait until the tank is cycled, or even better, let the tank cycle completely without any fish, then you can safely add them a bit faster later. Are you familiar with the cycling process and methods?

Tank questions:
1. Choose a filter or two, to make sure it/they pump at least 10 times the water volume per hour. i.e. you want a 37 gal, buy filtration that pumps between 37 and 40gph or even more, a 29 gal would need 29-30+gph if you want goldfish.
I run an external Eheim filter and an internal Fluval filter, together they pump about 3000 liters/hour (My tank is 317L).
2. Plants that I've kept successfully with goldfish include: Java Fern, Java moss and various Anubias. The Anubias have pretty thick and waxy leaves (They also bloom sometimes!!) and come in many different sizes, there are dwarf anubias that will cover the bottom in a nice little carpet, then there are also Barter's Anubias that grow to some kind of medium size, and then also Giant anubias. I'd go with the first two mentioned since you're not intending to get a monster tank Wink

Ask if there's anything more that's unclear Smiley
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Kahime
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Re: Soon to be new fish owner - Need tank set-up advice
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2011, 02:13:08 PM »

Fantailer - Thanks for the suggestions!

For quarantining do they need to be a separate tank? Or can I use a divider to quarantine them for some time.
Concerned about the costs involved in getting a separate tank set-up, but I don't entirely understand the quarantining process.

Nossie - Thanks for all the advice!

I've read some mixed things about moors w/ ryukins, in your opinion is it an absolute no-no?
Some things I've read say no, most say that if you're vigilent with the feeding, making sure the moors get food, that they'll be fine. I understand that the main reason is the Moors may not be as aggresive in getting food.

What mixes would you recommend? I'm not partial to the crowns on the ranchus and lionheads which limits it a bit.


So now I'm thinking of either going with a 40gal if I can afford it, or the 29 and only getting 3 with the 29. The people at the store said 37Tall would be good, but after reading your advice and doing more research I can see that longer is better Smiley

Thanks for the plant advice! Looking forward to design.

Cycling - I'm not entirely familiar with it. I am planning on doing a fishless cycle, I think the one with using ammonia? not fish food, before getting the fish, but I haven't done all the research needed yet to know exactly what I need to do for the cycling process. Will be looking into that soon Smiley
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Re: Soon to be new fish owner - Need tank set-up advice
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2011, 03:12:21 PM »

You need a separate tank, see, parasites or bacteria spread through water, so does medication, so if you want to treat only one fish by using a divider, you end up killing all the good bacteria in the tank and you'll have to cycle it again + you'll end up treating all the other fish for no reason! A 10 gallon is perfect as a quarantine tank Smiley

Mixes, well, I keep fantails, orandas, pom poms and a pearl scale together, they're all pretty similar in their needs and how fast they are Smiley The problem with moors (I had two, one of them just couldn't grow and suddenly he just died on me :'/) is that they see pretty bad, they can't find the food before someone else does. If you'd be feeding the fish heavily, you'll end up overfeeding the other fish, while the moor will be undernourished. I was planning on buying a small tank (20-30 gallon) to keep a few moors in separately Smiley
Anyway, you can pick pretty much any egg shaped goldies and keep them together! As mentioned, orandas, pearl scales, fantails, ryukins, pom poms, veil tails... just find one or a few kinds you like! Smiley
Of course, there wouldn't be anything wrong with keeping only moors either if you really like them!

You should rather not use pure ammonia for cycling a tank, it's not a very safe method. Rather add the fish food, or a piece of shrimp or fish to the tank and remove it once it's cycled, remember to test the water!! Then you can do a little water change (50%) and add a few fish Smiley

The cycling is complete when the ammonia and nitrites have been replaced by nitrates, and after that, weekly water changes will be needed to keep the nitrates down. It usually takes 2 weeks for the nitrates to reach harmful levels (30-40ppm) but it's still a good idea to have a regular schedule when it comes to maintaining your tank Smiley
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Kahime
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Re: Soon to be new fish owner - Need tank set-up advice
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2011, 05:04:35 PM »

Thanks Nossie!

So, if I got all three from the same tank/store would I still need to quarantine them?
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Re: Soon to be new fish owner - Need tank set-up advice
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2011, 02:32:34 AM »

Not from eachother, no, they would have been in the same water so they could hardly contaminate themselves! But it wouldn't be safe for them to be put straight into an uncycled tank, so please wait with getting them. The fish at pet stores are usually pretty stressed out and can easily get sick.

But if you'll buy a new fish after these three have established themselves, you'll need to quarantine him/her in case it carries parasites or infection Smiley
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