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mum2703
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Torn pectoral fins
« on: July 08, 2011, 02:35:05 AM »

My little girl goldie has rather badly torn pectoral fins.  Probably from trying to evade her amorous suitors.

I know they should probably heal by themselves as long as the water is kept clean & maybe add some salt but I'm undecided as to whether she should be moved?

She is in a 165l tank with 3 males (2 have tubercles).  They are all only small, she has plenty of hiding places and most of the time the get along peacefully, but they still have their rough moments.  If she stays in this tank I can be sure of the water quality but healing may be hindered by rough play.

If I move her, the only option is my emergency tank.  It is about 20l & uncycled so water quality will be tricky & the move may stress her more. She would however have some peace from the troublesome trio.

What would be best for her? Undecided
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Re: Torn pectoral fins
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2011, 03:35:19 AM »

You shouldn't move her your treatment tank has to be 40 liters or more for a fish to fully recover. So just warm up the water a bit and some aquarium salt.
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Re: Torn pectoral fins
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2011, 03:57:12 AM »

Thanx Fantailer.
Good to know about tank size. The one I have is just a plastic one the kids used for tadpoles (as I said emergency!). I must look around for a cheap bigger maybe 2nd hand one.
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Re: Torn pectoral fins
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2011, 04:34:53 AM »

I wouldn't move her. But I'm curious about a few things, are any other of her fins torn? Are you testing the water? How often do you change the water and how big amount?
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Re: Torn pectoral fins
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2011, 04:44:01 AM »

None of her other fins are torn. Tested & changed water today. Ammonia & Nitrites 0, Nitrates >10 <20, pH 7.8.  Change approx 20% water weekly. She has been barging thru fontinalis trying to escape the boys & that's how I think the front fins may have been damaged.
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Re: Torn pectoral fins
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2011, 04:17:54 AM »

20% a week isn't enough for goldfish. The water quality is perfect though! But it won't be for long if you'll change such a small amount every week. Nitrates are constantly building up, and changing out just a tiny bucket or two every week isn't going to make a difference. Take out at least 50% of the water a week, that way, the water quality won't deteriorate much between the water changes Smiley

If you'll have a quarantine tank, a cycled, good sized one, you could move her, but otherwise, it would hardly help her heal if she's dumped into a small container full of ammonia :/
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Re: Torn pectoral fins
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2011, 08:13:35 AM »

That water test was on the week old water before I changed it & readings have been consistent before each change so nitrate is not building up.  The tank is a planted 165l & the fish only small so the bioload is not great at the moment. The water change is not just a tiny bucket or 2, it's 4 buckets. By the way, this web site recommends weekly water changes of 15 -20 % so forgive me if I'm a bit confused.
 And I would never "dump her into a small container full of ammonia!"  As she is only small I thought 20l may be ok in the short term & I would do daily water changes if necessary. The tank does have a filter too.  As it seems the other tank is a bad idea all round, I will leave her be and hope the boys let her heal.
Thanks for your advice.
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Re: Torn pectoral fins
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2011, 01:39:25 PM »

I didn't mean literally 2 buckets. And yes, the nitrates are building up, no matter if you believe it or not, check any book about aquarium ecology. When keeping goldfish, there's no profit in changing such small amounts a week, as I already explained, in a year or so, the nitrates would be very high due to the small amounts of water changed. It's only healthier for the fish to change more, think about it as opening a window in a hot room, you would want to get as much air as possible, right?

The container would be fine (even if it's so small) for a temporary stay provided that it's cycled. Since it isn't, there would be ammonia spikes making it harder for the fish to heal.
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