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linda
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goldfish
« on: September 04, 2010, 03:07:17 PM »

hello, I have 11 goldfish in a 400 gallon pond. I have filter, with added uv,and fountain . I also have a few marginal plants Its a new pond, water is treated with that water treatment stuff. 5 of the fish are between 4 and 6 inches. they are feeding well, lively,dont seem ill, but have noticed last 3 days like white spots on the sides of a few.  Have looked at photos of white spot, but not sure if thats what it is. all fish I have had about 6 weeks and were from stapley water gardens which was recommended.very new to fish keeping can anybody tell me what to try . they did not have the white spots when i got them.
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Re: goldfish
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2010, 04:33:24 PM »

I'm not sure what kind of white spots you mean, since there are a few different parasites and infections that have these symptoms. But what I would do is to test the water, first of all. If there's anything wrong with your fish, it's 99% certain to be because of the water quality. So test the pH, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate and post the results, if you don't have a test kit for these parameters, you can either buy one, or bring a small cup of pond water to your pet shop and ask them to test it there. It's most important to deal with the reason why the fish are sick rather than simply treat the problem at hand, that way it's easier to prevent future disease.
After this is done, you should do a large water change, around 50-70% should be good! Now you should add some medical aquarium salt to your pond, take a small bucket with pond water and dissolve the proper dose salt there first. Otherwise the fish may be burned by the salt. Try keeping the salt solution constant for a week or two, meaning that you add a proper dosage for every water change. The salt should be dealing with most of the parasites and health issues of goldfish, so it's usually a good way to go Smiley You also have to test the water every day during the treatment to be sure that the water quality is as near perfect as it can be (pH=7-8, ammonia+nitrite=0, nitrates=<40ppm), and change the water anytime either of the parameters are off. Feed your fish nutritious food! A full belly is usually not a sick one when it comes to fish Wink But don't overfeed! Give them lots of live foods, vegetables and some pellets or flakes to boot Smiley

I'm sure your fish will be just fine Smiley
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Re: goldfish
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2010, 04:52:37 PM »

Yes, Nossie covered it.
I only want to emphasize the importance of the water quality. This is no 1 to look at and after. As Nossie said: prevention.

That your fish got those white spots is a sign of stress, as stress weakens the immuns system and eventually leads to illness.
So basically the move into your pond and perhaps water quality issues caused them to be stressed and develop sickness.

Just follow Nossies advice accurately and post those test results asap please
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Re: goldfish
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2010, 12:58:14 AM »

thankyou, for your advice. I will do as you advised. I have been feeding the tetra gold fish food its the one with different pellets in, water shrimp ect. says its high in protein. also been feeding live food once per week.
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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2010, 01:57:04 AM »

Sounds good! Smiley
Variety is the spice in the life of a goldfish, so if it's not too much of trouble, it could be good getting one more kind of staple food for them, pellets or flakes. And start introducing some vegetables to their diet, lettuce or peas are perfect Smiley
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Re: goldfish
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2010, 04:05:59 AM »

hahahaha Nossie, not only in Goldfishies life, in ours too.... Grin
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Re: goldfish
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2010, 11:12:26 AM »

Right update on what I have done. Did a PH test using a tetra brand. The result was between 8 and 8.5 (trying not to be biased) Then I have added the pond tonic salt(blagdons) to required measure. Have not re-tested since salt was added, thought it may be best to re-test tommorrow. Have also given a first dose of goldfish treatment (blagdons) for bacteria, fungus, ect and un diagnosed ailments.  Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2010, 02:13:41 PM »

Hanna: Lol, meant to write it more like this: "...in goldfishes' lives too" Wink

linda: Sounds alright there Smiley Can you test the other parameters too? Ammonia, nitrite and nitrate are important because these are downright toxic to fish in higher concentrations and will have an impact on their immune system. That's why it's very important to know whether it's dangerous to them or not. So please, test it as soon as possible Smiley I mentioned in my first post which levels are accepted!
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Re: goldfish
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2010, 08:52:02 AM »

I will test for the nitrates, and amonia soon as I can. I have not got anything to test them with yet Sad I will have to wait untill weekend to get them test kits, on pay day Smiley I do have uv, so no problem with that algae stuff. Just happy that I'm getting some construtive advice here, so thankfull.
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Re: goldfish
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2010, 02:52:44 AM »

Sounds really good! Cheesy I bet your fish will be perfectly alright Smiley So glad that you care this much for them Smiley
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Re: goldfish
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2010, 12:11:29 PM »

 Start work early in mornings, so this morning was still quite dark to see my fish. checked when i got home and them white marks do not seem so prominant. so maybe that tonic salt and blagdon goldfish treatment maybe working. will carry on with treatment (over 5 days) it says even if things clear up. and will do them tests asap. thanx  Smiley
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Re: goldfish
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2010, 01:34:01 PM »

Yes! Be sure to treat the fish until all signs of disease are gone, please Smiley That way you can be absolutely sure that they've recovered fully Smiley I'm so happy for you Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2010, 04:43:29 PM »

I am happy too, yes very important not to finish treatment too soon.
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Re: goldfish
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2010, 12:16:48 PM »

Done them tests.  PH today was 7.5
Nitrite was 0.1
Nitrate was around 100

My pond is only about 2 months old and I do have plants. Thankyou for your help and advice again Smiley
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Re: goldfish
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2010, 02:13:50 PM »

100 on nitrate?! Do a huge water change right away!! Take out 70% or more if you can!
40 already is harmful to the fish, attacking their immune system and making them stressed, so you need to bring these levels down right away.

OR, test again, and look closely on the results if it's really true.
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« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2010, 04:52:50 PM »

Nitrate 100 ppm Huh This is far too much. Do as Nossie said. Test again to make sure and do a huge waterchange with conditioned water though.

Nitrates ideally should be below 40, better 20 ppm
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Re: goldfish
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2010, 11:44:43 AM »

 Embarrassed   OK, I will give you laugh, I'm so daft. I did the test and checked the reading while I was wearing sun glasses, so the colour would have looked deeper on the colour chart.I only noticed because I left the sun glasses in the shed with the test kit. RE- done the test and its 50, so have done a 25% water change and used the tap water treatment.  Smiley
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Re: goldfish
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2010, 12:05:08 PM »

If the white spots are just on the gills, don't worry.  It means you have a healthy, virile boy. Wink
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Re: goldfish
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2010, 01:15:21 PM »

linda: That's a relief! :'D But I understand you so well, I'd probably do something similar myself at some point xD
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