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Skwishee
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2012, 09:11:58 AM »

If you are planning on cycling the tank with the fish in there, that will be fine, you will also need to keep an eye on the nitrites and nitrates as well as the ammonia  Wink Sorry, I thought you were doing a fishless cycle, must have mis-understood somewhere!

Just keep an eye on the water, test it every 1-2 days and do water changes when necessary. Which to begin with may be very often, I had to do daily water changes for a week when my Nitrites spiked on the 21 litre tank, because the levels were so dangerous. So just keep an eye on things like you said you would and it should be fine Smiley

Hmmm if nothing is wrong externally, perhaps see how he goes, once you've introduced him to the bigger tank? Maybe he'll improve? Keep in mind his behaviour may be a little odd while the tank cycles, as I mentioned Lucky went nuts while the tank was cycling but did calm down once everything had settled.

Also make sure the temperature and ph is the same on the new tank and he should be fine  Smiley
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2012, 09:16:55 AM »

Oh good, I got worried then for a moment! Smiley Thanks! Yeah I will keep an eye on the water for the first few weeks!
I hope his behaviour does change in the new tank, its distressing watching him now!
yeah I will make sure the pH ans temp are the same, at the moment they are. I will settle him in tomorrow and post a picture! Grin Its exciting!
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2012, 09:29:53 AM »

Yeah I was extremely hyper when I was doing my tank move!
It was so lovely to see Lucky in the nice new tank for the first time Smiley

Good luck  Cheesy
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2012, 09:37:25 AM »

Yeah I cant wait to see him in a nice new tank!  Cool
Going a bit crazy buying loads of nice new things to put in the tank too!  Wink Bought a java fern! Smiley

Thanks!
Lucky is lovely by the way! seen the pictures, she is so cute and unique! Smiley
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #34 on: February 10, 2012, 06:03:48 AM »

Aww thank you, she is certainly one of a kind!

Oh also with plants, not sure if this has already been covered, but it's often a good idea to quarantine them, sometimes they can have snails or parasites on them. There are many methods of doing this, the simplest of which is to have the plant in a bucket on it's own for 6 days, parasites will die without a host. There are other methods that are quicker and involve using a dip or some sort, I've heard of bleach dips, praziquantel dips or salt dips  Smiley
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2012, 06:13:14 AM »

Ok thanks Skwishee, I will put the plant ive bought in a bucket before putting it in the tank! Smiley

Here's a picture of little carlos in his new tank! Fingers crossed, as he has got used to it a bit more this morning he has stopped getting scared and darting about  Cheesy
His new favourite thing to do in this tank is shuffle through the gravel constantly for food, greedy bugger!  Wink
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2012, 07:00:26 AM »

Awww that's good to hear!

He is certainly a bigger fish than I imagined!

I find Lucky still occasionally gets spooked by things, like if someone slams the front door she will hear the sudden noise, but because of the larger tank she has more space to abruptly swim in one direction, without hitting anything Wink
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2012, 07:20:36 AM »

I think these pictures make him look a lot bigger to be honest  Wink Lucky is pretty small isn't she?
He is playing in the bubbles, its so funny to watch! I think he is liking the space! Smiley
Awwwh bless her! Yeah at least now they're both in bigger tanks they can swim away without bashing, it was horrible to watch him!
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2012, 07:34:14 AM »

I know what you mean, when Lucky was acting up during the Nitrite spike, even though I was doing daily water changes, I had to take myself away from the tank, I couldn't bear to see her acting up.

She is very small, she is barely 3 inches/7 cm but I think being in the bigger tank just makes her seem smaller after I got used to her being in a 21 litre XD
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2012, 07:51:41 AM »

Bow-fronted tanks will make the fish appear larger. However, you should be looking to upgrade to a bigger/ longer tank, as and when you can afford it...don't obsess on tank capacity/volume...swim room i.e. length and surface area are the important criteria for fish like Carlos
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2012, 08:53:57 AM »

Scrivens just incase you didn't see the older posts, cdale can't fit a larger tank in their current accomodation and if they are un able to get a larger tank in the next 6 months or so, they do know someone who has a pond Smiley
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #41 on: February 10, 2012, 11:05:00 AM »

Skwishee: Awwwh that is so cute that Lucky is only 7cm, she's on her own isn't she? Once Carlos is settled I was thinking about getting him a friend cos there's enough room isn't there? What would you say would be the best fish for him? Got to say he is making me laugh with these bubbles, he look so much happier than before!  Cheesy Think the up grade tank was well worth it!

Scrivens345: Yeah I know I will need to upgrade as time goes on, but at the moment I do not have the space or money, once I am qualified from University and move into my own place, I will find him a much bigger one! Smiley But as Skwishee mentioned if he does get a lot bigger I know someone with a nice pond for him! In this tank the surface area is alot bigger, you can't really see from the pictures but the tank is very deep to the back Smiley
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2012, 11:39:04 AM »

I have worked out that Carlos only gets scared when the tank light is on? weird!  Huh
He was fine in the new tank until the tank light came on and he started darting around trying to get out...

Turn the tank light on he goes crazy, turn it off he comes out and acts normal?? Anyone heard of this before?
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2012, 11:55:36 AM »

when you move a fish he is likely to get stressed..you should leave the light off until tomorrow and don't feed him either

just give him a day to get used to his new universe! good work on giving him a hiding place...fish need this to avoid over-stressing....
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #44 on: February 10, 2012, 12:00:38 PM »

Thanks! He is acting like he did in the old tank though? thats why I moved him because I thought it was the lack of space that was stressing him and he always got stressed when I opened the curtains on a morning :/
I turned the light on a few mins ago and he went crazy and then laid at the bottom of the tank. So because he was stressing I turned it off, I darent turn it on at all now for a few days but he needs light, maybe so lights not so strong might help? Not too sure what to do if he carries on like this?  Huh He acts completely normal and healthy without the tank lights on, he's fine with the lights in my room at the moment! 
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #45 on: February 10, 2012, 12:14:27 PM »

you can try switching on the light with his morning feed, so that he comes to see the light as a positive Grin
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #46 on: February 10, 2012, 12:20:08 PM »

He does know it is a positive thing because I feed him when I turn the light on around 4 :/
He's just terrified of the light!  Huh
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #47 on: February 10, 2012, 12:28:55 PM »

give him lots of cover to hide in, and gradually leave the light on for longer each day.....at the moment he is probably extremely stressed...he will get used to it eventually...my fish are used to it, but they still sometimes run and hide Shocked
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #48 on: February 10, 2012, 12:31:07 PM »

Ok thanks I will do! I'll just make sure he is happy in this home and settled before messing with the lighting then Smiley
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #49 on: February 11, 2012, 05:53:19 AM »

Hi cdale, yes Lucky is on her own for the time being.
I wouldn't get carlos any friends for now, I don't think the tank has enough space for two goldfish, the basic requirement for stocking goldfish is 40 litres per fish, but with single tails you want to increase this, because they need more swimming room.
Lucky herself is in a 3 foot/90 litre tank and I'm still un sure about getting another, because I want to see how Lucky grows over the next few months, because if she grows too much, I will have to re-home her. I would rather have one goldfish to re-home than trying to find someone with the space for two XD

How long are you at uni for? I'm only thinking if it's a number of years, it might be worth looking for a cheap long tank you can upgrade to and playing tetris in the room to see if you could squeeze a slightly larger one in?
There are some Aquarists Societies around, if you can find one in your local area maybe someone there could lend you or sell you cheaply a tank when you have a bit more room Smiley

Scrivens that's some good advice with the light , I've learnt something new there as I don't have one on my tank, Lucky just gets natural light as the tank is near the window  Smiley
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2012, 07:13:50 AM »

Hey, Oh okay now you tell me Lucky is on her own, I know I shouldnt get another one in this tank!
Im in uni for the next year and 4 months but I am moving for my last year in 4 months time so I will have a bigger room then! I will keep it in mind when he starts to get bigger that I needed a longer tank thanks! Smiley
Thanks for the advice Ill look around for some Aquarists Societies! Good idea! Smiley He gets natural light too but didn't think that was good enough? he's not right by the window but a length of a bed away, he's not so bad with natural light now just hates the tank light!  Huh
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #51 on: February 11, 2012, 08:17:05 AM »

I think my fish is just a little freak to be honest haha!  Grin
I have just turned the tank light on to see if the time makes a difference, because I did used to turn it on at 4 till 10, I can just change that, because Ive just turned it on and it hasn't affected him at all, he hasn't even noticed! Maybe he is just brainy and knows at 4 it's dark so he doesn't want the light?  Wink
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #52 on: February 11, 2012, 08:29:25 AM »

 you had him working the nightshift LOL Roll Eyes
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #53 on: February 11, 2012, 09:56:15 AM »

Hahaha I never knew fish could freak out so much about lights Cheesy

Just to let you know cdale, it is generally a bad idea to have a fish tank really close to a window, because it can cause temperature fluctuations and too much light can create algae. I've worked around this by having the tank a good several inches away from the window (they are double glazed so that helps too) so it doesn't affect the temperature and because my curtain are white (and my bedroom is on the ground floor) I often have the curtains shut most of the time anyway, I do open them a little if it's nice and sunny for the sake of the plants and as of yet I've had no algae issues.
I would have put the tank somewhere else, but this was the only space I had to fit a 3 foot tank XD

Just wanted to mention that in case you ended up in a similar situation Wink

Good luck with finding a new place, if and when you have more space, do consider upgrading the tank anyway, regardless of his size, as it is hard to say how much he'll grow in the 40 litre tank, for you to know when to upgrade in appropriate time.
Generally with goldfish the bigger the tank, the better really Smiley
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #54 on: February 11, 2012, 10:47:08 AM »

I just lost my local petsathome a sale! A customer was going to get 4 commons for a 60 L tank...., when I told him how big they grow he went pale..had to disabuse him of the notion that they   grow to fit their tank.
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #55 on: February 11, 2012, 11:45:24 AM »

Well I do night shifts, thought he should experience them too! ha  Grin
Okay thanks Skwishee, I will remember that when I next place the tank in my new house. I know he's definitely a strange one! He's always hyper! Ive got him a nice new big plant to hide behind if he gets too scared! Smiley
Yeah I will keep the bigger tank in mind!  Cool and update you on here as things progress!
Some people just don't understand how much they grow, or live for! When I tell people that goldfish can live up to 40 years in the right conditions they just laugh! I have to be honest though when I picked Carlos at my local aquatics shop I didn't realise he could grow so big! At least I do now!  Wink
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #56 on: February 11, 2012, 11:51:36 AM »

Spect Carlos will take his naps behind that plant Grin
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #57 on: February 11, 2012, 12:13:53 PM »

Cheesy He hasn't taken much interest in the plant yet. Hes more interested in the new bubble pump!  Wink
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #58 on: February 16, 2012, 04:21:40 AM »

Nice job at the store Scrivens!
I don't think many people realise how big goldfish grow, for some reason, we buy a kitten and expect it to grow into a cat, we buy a puppy and expect it to grow into a dog. Yet we buy juvenile fish and don't expect them to grow XD It's really bizarre when you think about it....

Cdale, when you do get a new place next year -being a uni student I assume a house with friends? Perhaps if there is enough room in your new kitchen/living room, you could ask if you could put a tank there Cheesy
Or if your bedroom is big enough, you could squeeze one in, but I know bedroom sizes vary greatly Wink

I found my house mates weren't too bothered when I mentioned possibly re arranging the front room to fit the larger tank in the house, but luckily I managed to squeeze the tank in here Smiley

Is carlos still acting hyper or has his behaviour calmed down?
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Re: strange behaviour
« Reply #59 on: February 16, 2012, 06:33:36 AM »

Yeah Skwishee I think I have quite a large room next year, it's still I building site at the  moment though  Grin
I'm sure though if I couldn't fit larger tank in my friends wouldn't mind it in the kitchen! Smiley
He has calmed down now! Smiley which is great! I put the light on in the morning and this doesn't seem to affect him as much!  Cool
He loves the new tank, and its quite fascinating to watch him in it, he has gained a few cute habits! He has a sleeping place now, how sweet!  Cheesy
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