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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #90 on: September 18, 2011, 04:29:25 AM »

Fish can eat garlic!!!!!! Shocked
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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #91 on: September 18, 2011, 07:59:39 AM »

Goldfish and koi LOVE garlic Smiley
So it's usually a good idea in case they're picky with the food to soak the new pellets or something in garlic oil before feeding Grin
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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #92 on: September 18, 2011, 08:46:47 AM »

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Thanks!  I agree, it could be bad for their digestive tract.  This might be why some fishing areas don't want you to use corn as bait.


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well altho i have never used corn as bait i do have to say i have caught alot of cats with corn and beans in thier bellies.this weekend was no different. cleaned 9 cats between 4 n 7+ pounds everyone of them were FULL of corn n beans as well as was the bottom of my livewell. i guess if you are going to be some where that could have corn in the water use corn. seems the big ones like.

So, it would appear that corn is hard to digest.

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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #93 on: September 18, 2011, 10:11:33 AM »

Ahh, well I live in Illinois and I don't know if it's illegal, but it's definitely frowned upon.  Trout love it.  There is a small private lake nearby that is stocked with trout and you can fish there with a long stick (I think it's for kids) and you pay for the fish you catch by the pound.  You have to keep the first fish that bites.  They strictly prohibit corn.  And my Dad never used corn for fishing.

So anyways, I'm not feeding my goldfish corn just to be safe.  Nor rice.   Smiley
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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #94 on: September 18, 2011, 11:42:49 AM »

I catch stingrays, puffers and catfish in the local lagoon. But we aren't allowed to bring any lagoon fish home because lots are endangered. Once we ate and caught Mahi in Key West. It was sad to watch the bloody fish get pulled on board.
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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #95 on: September 29, 2011, 01:34:05 PM »

It's not really recommended that you physically touch or pet the fish as it might take some of their protecting slime coating away, but that by no means should stop you from interacting with them. Smiley It took me a little over a week to get mine to eat out of my fingers and swim through/around my hand. The key to "taming" your goldies and getting them comfortale with you is to interact with they daily. Talk to them, get them use to your hands being in the tank, slow, calm movements. Since I don't have a gravel syphon I have to get in there and clean it myself but I think that's what helped get them to this point. Just make sure your hands are clean, rinse them off a little bit, do not use soap. You can use soap after though.

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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #96 on: September 30, 2011, 02:16:20 AM »

Last time I vacuumed the gravel and moved some pebbles/plants around, Freya was not nibbling but BITING my little finger SO HARD! xD Seriously, I never had a goldfish gnaw on me like that, and the weird thing is that she wouldn't stop! xD

I'd like to add though that it's really good to get the fish used to your hands Smiley That way you can catch them safer and easier later (nets are not to be recommended, I only use mine for the floating leaves).
And as long as the hands are wet before you handle the fish, they won't be hurt. But don't try to rub them or anything, that could remove their slime coat.
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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #97 on: September 30, 2011, 07:58:49 AM »

Aww that's great GoldFishNoob Cheesy
Interesting about how its less stressful to manual handle the goldfish! I'd be a little worried I'd somehow hurt them though! How stressed would the fish be, if you sunk a bag in the tank to catch them?

One thing I was contemplating, do you think goldfish in a group would be tamed easier than an individual goldfish?
I was thinking about how Lucky is a little shy, Star the goldfish previously with her, was quite brave and if he did something, she'd occasionally follow. Now that she's on her own for the moment (until the bigger tank), she is slowly becoming a little braver, when I approach the tank or clean it she isn't bothered and continues to swim around, occasionally investigating what I'm doing if my hands are in the tank, but she doesn't come to close. She has also started to eat flakes from the top now! (I'm thinking of soaking them before putting them in, so she doesn't swallow air) As before she wouldn't respond to the flakes floating until she spotted one sinking down and would then proceed to chase any others she saw sinking.

I've had her for about 5 weeks now and she's only just started this new behaviour with the flakes, whereas Star before we lost him, had already started approaching the surface for food. So I was thinking if Star had still been around, would this behaviour have started much sooner? Would she have followed his lead?

So anyway, asides from my ramble, I was wondering if the same idea could be applied to taming goldfish.
If you have a group of them and one is quite brave, with the others seeing that it's okay, would they copy the behaviour?
And if you had one individually, depending on its personality, could it take longer to tame?
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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #98 on: September 30, 2011, 09:01:08 AM »

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Aww that's great GoldFishNoob Cheesy
Interesting about how its less stressful to manual handle the goldfish! I'd be a little worried I'd somehow hurt them though! How stressed would the fish be, if you sunk a bag in the tank to catch them?

One thing I was contemplating, do you think goldfish in a group would be tamed easier than an individual goldfish?
I was thinking about how Lucky is a little shy, Star the goldfish previously with her, was quite brave and if he did something, she'd occasionally follow. Now that she's on her own for the moment (until the bigger tank), she is slowly becoming a little braver, when I approach the tank or clean it she isn't bothered and continues to swim around, occasionally investigating what I'm doing if my hands are in the tank, but she doesn't come to close. She has also started to eat flakes from the top now! (I'm thinking of soaking them before putting them in, so she doesn't swallow air) As before she wouldn't respond to the flakes floating until she spotted one sinking down and would then proceed to chase any others she saw sinking.

I've had her for about 5 weeks now and she's only just started this new behaviour with the flakes, whereas Star before we lost him, had already started approaching the surface for food. So I was thinking if Star had still been around, would this behaviour have started much sooner? Would she have followed his lead?

So anyway, asides from my ramble, I was wondering if the same idea could be applied to taming goldfish.
If you have a group of them and one is quite brave, with the others seeing that it's okay, would they copy the behaviour?
And if you had one individually, depending on its personality, could it take longer to tame?

Goldfish are quite social and it isn't natural for them not to be shoaling with their buddies. Their keen sight and hearing were developed as protection against predators, and I suspect so is the group behaviour of shoaling or hanging out together. They look out for each other, literally.

As far as braveness, this seems to be a product of size and experience. The larger fish are much more at ease and bolder. My Little Orange is much more apt to dart away than my bigger fish. The bigger don't seem to be troubled by much of anything. It's like that with a lot of critters, that the smaller are more vulnerable and more cautious.

I haven't noticed one fish picking up another's traits. They may be buds, but they are their own fish.

Oh, as far as eating flakes off the surface. I don't believe this is either natural behaviour or particularly good. They like food that is in the water, and when they can't find that, then at the bottom. Coming to the surface to feed is not something I see often. If I drop in a grain of food, it's rare for them to snag it before it starts to sink. I have a pond and there is always something on the surface, they largely ignore all of it.

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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #99 on: October 02, 2011, 07:36:28 AM »

Skwishee: It depends on what you want to teach the fish, if you want to teach them more complicated tricks like swimming through hoops etc, it's better to have just one fish. But if you mean things like eating from your fingers and that kind of more simple things, a group of goldfish will usually work well, goldfish notice what will give them food, so in the end the group will be going to where there's more profit for them Smiley

I do agree with Jeff though, it's not very good for goldfish to eat from the surface, so that's why many people soak the pellets before feeding to make them sink, or simply buy sinking foods to the goldfish. I've said it 10 times probably already, but I would never give flakes to my goldfish, even the smallest ones I had! Pellets are much better and more dense than flakes so the fish will swallow less air eating those. Sinking food is also a great option, that way you won't even have to get the fish used to coming to the surface for food, but they can catch the sinking pellets mid-water, so to speak Cheesy Most pet shops do feed the fish simple flakes though so the fish will inevitably try getting food from there anyway, so then all you can do is choose the least harmful alternative.
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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #100 on: October 03, 2011, 04:41:03 AM »

You guys make an interesting point, I never thought about how 'un-natural' it is in a way, for a goldfish to eat from the surface when they're usually foraging for things on the floor!

I'm soaking any flakes before I put them in now, so they sink immediately.
But I'll keep an eye out for sinking foods, when I next pop out to the shops Smiley

I'm thinking of holding my fingers in the water a little, while I put the soaked flakes in, so she gets used to my hand being there, then dropping food in from my hand, perhaps eventually she will come to my hand, knowing that's where the food is coming from?
Only time will tell I suppose!
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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #101 on: October 03, 2011, 05:20:27 PM »

I've been nipped by my fish before; he smelled the food on my fingers, got excited, and nipped.  It didn't hurt, just pinched a bit.
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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #102 on: October 04, 2011, 02:56:51 AM »

I think that'll work, Skwishee Smiley
But don't be worried about ever feeding them floating foods! If you get floating pellets for example, and soak them, it shouldn't be a problem, the air should go out through their gills in case they happen to get some with the pellets.

When I feed them tubifex cubes, I always break them into smaller pieces (about the size of their mouths) and soak them before feeding, that way the pieces will be left hanging right under the surface, and the fish can grab them from there Smiley
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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #103 on: October 06, 2011, 05:05:06 AM »

I've never had Lucky nibble my hand, she swims quite close to it when I'm cleaning, but never nibbled XD

Today though in attempts to get her to eat from my fingers, I was holding fish flakes in under the water, to let them soak, Lucky seemed a bit wary, she'd swim quite close and then seem to change her mind and back off, eventually the flake would get so wet it'd slip out my fingers XD And Lucky would eat it.

But after 3 or 4 flakes of this, she swam up and took it from my fingers!! Cheesy
It was so exciting!!

Once I get something heavier like pellets, I imagine I could have them rest further up my hand and eventually in my palm for her to take?

One thing that occurred to me, do you think fish mind, who's hand their eating from? I was wondering if her nibbling from my fingers, was a case of her being hungry and not being bothered about my hand, or because she's used to my hand being in the tank and is familiar with it enough to take food from it? (I like to pretend its the second option, but in reality I imagine it's the first XD)

(Might continue feeding her flakes using this method, avoids any issue of gulping air and over feeding/un-eaten food as I'll only give her 6 or 7 big flakes worth of food Smiley And of course stop when she doesn't eat them any more.)
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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #104 on: October 06, 2011, 05:43:30 AM »

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One thing that occurred to me, do you think fish mind, who's hand their eating from? I was wondering if her nibbling from my fingers, was a case of her being hungry and not being bothered about my hand, or because she's used to my hand being in the tank and is familiar with it enough to take food from it? (I like to pretend its the second option, but in reality I imagine it's the first XD)


Fish can recognize individual people and will respond as such. I also suspect that there is some chemical signal that they respond to, new fish often rub up against each other.

As far as what they perceive to be a threat, there is a lot that simply doesn't bother them, unless there is a reason why it should.
I think if you avoid sudden movements, and even then fish get used to it, you can put in and do just about anything. I was skimming my pond with a dust pan the other day and the fish were swimming under it.

  But fish have different personalities, older goldfish are less troubled and bolder.

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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #105 on: October 07, 2011, 02:33:21 AM »

When it comes to pellets, and you want to soak them, do that in a little cup of sorts (only for the tank!!) instead of soaking them in the tank. With flakes it works though, and of course, if you have sinking pellets you can drop a few every once in a while Smiley
Maybe when she'd be bigger you could hand-feed her peas? Smiley
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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #106 on: October 07, 2011, 05:04:23 AM »

Feeding peas from my hand would be awesome! She was nibbling at my hand today for the first time! Well she nibbled me once when I was getting some water to test and then nibbled me quite hard when I was cleaning the gravel. She only does it once though and seems to lose interest XD But it's nice that she's no longer afraid of my hand!
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« Reply #107 on: October 07, 2011, 06:02:30 AM »

I had Freya for several months now, and it wasn't until lately that she BIT MY SKIN OFF nibbled my hand while I was trimming the plants Wink I think she had seen my fingers before when some food came crashing down so she started realizing that there's a possibility that there's more! Grin
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« Reply #108 on: October 07, 2011, 06:15:22 AM »

Haha thats cute! I stuck my fingers in a little as a test and Lucky came up and nibbled at them, she swam so close to my hand Shocked I feared any type of movement and I'd hit the poor girl XD
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« Reply #109 on: October 07, 2011, 07:20:30 AM »

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Haha thats cute! I stuck my fingers in a little as a test and Lucky came up and nibbled at them, she swam so close to my hand Shocked I feared any type of movement and I'd hit the poor girl XD

You may look like food to them.

I probably have the closest thing to a natural or wild environment (although goldfish are domesticated) and they typically try to eat everything that is in the water (rarely on the surface). They taste it and spit it out if it isn't food. I suspect most of you have tanks so clean that there is little to sample that you may not see this!

Your fish might have been taste testing you.

The other point is that they are largely curious about anything new in the water. On the surface, it is ignored. Outside the pond is a different matter, they will come over and look at the cats, as well as myself. I don't know how that works in a brightly lit tank, seeing from the light into the dark is difficult.

On another note: My new (Bristol? or American?) Shubunkin is still shy and avoids being seen when I look in. This may still be acclimation; or it may be that I'm associated with a few recent shocks, being put in a small bag, transported in the dark, and then put in water colder than he/she had ever experienced. Or he may just be a cautious fish. Biggest fish in the pond though, probably not the brightest.

  What I have noticed with all  the fish is a day of hiding when first put in. Wherever they came from it was much smaller and well known. I think it takes a while to get a feel for the lay of the water, so to speak.

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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #110 on: October 08, 2011, 02:57:07 AM »

Fishy Jeff: That's very interesting info... Smiley

By the way, it's really easy to recognize a bristol shubunkin, does your fish have rounded, almost b-shaped caudal lobes? If so, it's a bristol for sure Smiley If not, it's probably an "American" shubunkin Wink
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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #111 on: October 08, 2011, 01:33:41 PM »

when i got my first goldfish about a year back, it took about 3 days for them to start eating out of my hand. Cheesy It was adorable. Other goldies i've kept sometimes never even come close to my hand. Some are shy, some of them eat right away Smiley they're all different.

just thought i'd add my two cents.
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« Reply #112 on: October 08, 2011, 08:44:50 PM »

My goldfish ate peas (smashed peas) from my fingers today, they each came up one at a time to get their pea.  So cute!  They never look so satisfied as when each of them has a mouthful of peas  Grin  They each find a spot and suck/chew on their precious pea until it's gone.

One of my fish is always more interested in my shiny nail polish, and she kissed my polish before getting the pea.  I had to wave the pea in front of her to get her to notice it   Smiley
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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #113 on: October 09, 2011, 03:16:58 AM »

I tried to give some peas to Berry from my fingers, but she was simply flapping her lips so vigorously that the peas flew out of her mouth all the time xD
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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #114 on: October 09, 2011, 06:14:42 AM »

My goldfish simply tried to eat my fingers!
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« Reply #115 on: October 09, 2011, 04:39:20 PM »

Haha that's cute about the peas ^_^ I should try it out sometime!

When I was the cleaning the gravel today, my hand must have looked tasty, because Lucky nibbled on it quite a lot before deciding I wasn't food Wink

It's quite interesting really, how 3 days ago, she would only come close to my hand and now she nibbles the heck out of it!
I wonder if it's because I started hand feeding her (this morning, for the first time she immediately came up to the fish flake in between my fingers) so now she must associate my hand with food I imagine!
It's almost like Pavlov's Dog, except instead of a bell, it's my hand!
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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #116 on: October 09, 2011, 04:43:58 PM »

Hehe when they get big enough they may be able to suck on your whole finger! Cheesy
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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #117 on: October 09, 2011, 04:47:12 PM »

Haha! I had tiny puppies suck on my finger once -not to mention they drooled all on my top-
Wonder how different a goldfish will be? XD

At least Lucky won't drool on me Wink
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« Reply #118 on: October 10, 2011, 04:02:57 AM »

Skwishee: She probably things that nibbling the hand will make flakes magically appear Wink

Heh, lately I was thinking about this seaweed I'm giving them (while we're talking about drool anyway...) usually the bigger goldfish simply rip the pieces apart and chew them all the while smaller pieces are floating out of their mouths and the smaller goldfish snatch them just like that... xD I thought... well, no problem with the hygiene since goldfish don't have saliva to begin with! Grin
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Re: Taming goldfish?
« Reply #119 on: October 10, 2011, 04:57:01 AM »

Haha that's cute! Those smaller goldfish are clever Wink

Yes you're probably right Nossie, I imagine she's nibbling my hand thinking 'Wheres the food? Gimme the food!'
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