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Angihere
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My poor shubunkin
« on: October 09, 2012, 08:51:33 AM »

Hello...
I have a large (8 or 9 inches long) solitary shubunkin. Had it for 3.5 years. I have softened well water...I test it each time I do a water change, and it is always exactly perfect (all numbers are dead-center middle of the "safe" requirements on the stest strip bottle). My tank is 20 gallons. I have a Whisper filter that specifies for 20-40 gallon tanks, and it uses two filters in it..one is just coarse foam, the other has activated charcoal in it, changed monthly. I feed pond fish pellets and live insects like spiders & flies (my daughter loves to catch these yucky things, but the fish loves them even more) however, its only maybe 2-3 times a month that we get live insects.
So....i did a filter cartridge change (the charcoal one) and after that, for the last 4 days, my shubunkin has been laying on the bottom of his tank. He does get active sometimes, but only short bursts. he is not wanting to eat his pellets. I thought the charcoal might have something to do with it, so I got a temporary 10 gal tank ready & put the fish there overnight. I cleaned his 20 gal tank out completely, and re-set it up, minus his bubble rock because it needs new tubing. He is back in the 20 gal, but is still laying on the bottom, breathing. He has poop protruding, thick, same color as his food. I am out of ideas. ...I am attempting to post a couple pictures of my poor shubunkin... Thank you
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scrivens345
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Re: My poor shubunkin
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2012, 09:38:52 AM »

Filtration for goldfish is usually 10x tank size but I would say 15x for that large pond-sized fish

  Consider re-homing your fish to a garden pond or buy a larger tank at least 4-foot in length and at least 50  gallons. This fish will keep getting ill if it isn't rehoused.

By cleaning out your tank you have started it cycling.

You need to get an external canister filter 100 gallons per hour asap. Add beneficial bacteria, and double dose of seachem prime.

with that fish in its tiny tank you'll probably have to change the water every day

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Skwishee
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Re: My poor shubunkin
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2012, 04:43:28 PM »

Oh my, he doesn't look very happy.

Bottom sitting is more often than not a sign of stress or illness.
I completely agree with Scrivens, a much bigger tank will do the fish some good, or even better moving it to a pond once it's recovered Smiley That fish is just massive and I'm sure it'd like more swimming room for exercise!

Keep an eye on the water parameters and follow Scrivens advice on the water changes Smiley
Best of luck, keep us posted.
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Re: My poor shubunkin
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2012, 07:57:11 PM »

Thanks for replying...however, I have no idea where to find the external canister filter. I live in Ohio, and I have never even heard of one. Also, I live where there are so many natural predators (herons, raccoons, etc) that I cannot have an outdoor pond habitat. And I have not got any space for a 4 foot, or 50+ gallon tank. I feel like I have been ignorant to the needs of my shubunkin! I have never even added any bacteria to the tank!! Oh my gosh! Its a wonder this poor fish is still alive!! He has actually never been sick...but still...I think I will need to give him to a pet store with the capabilities of caring for him properly....and then I will certainly have to read up on how to establish a safe and healthy tank...I am so discouraged and dismayed!! Anyone want this poor fishy? Cry
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Skwishee
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Re: My poor shubunkin
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2012, 02:06:38 AM »

Don't give him to a pet store, you never know who they'll sell the shubunkin too  Roll Eyes

Instead, why not look up local neighbors or people with ponds? Or perhaps a local park that has a lake which can accept fish? Do not release him into the wild (it's illegal), check with local authorities before you go putting it in any park lakes or ponds!

There may be a fish rescue service near you? Looking on google I found this; (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.) So perhaps drop them a visit and see their facitilities?  Smiley

Cheri one of our members lives in the USA and knows a lot of fish people, so I'll drop her a line and see if she can help  Cheesy

How have the water changes been going? Any change?
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fantailer
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Re: My poor shubunkin
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2012, 05:03:53 AM »

Ask a local zoo or something with a pond they could help once he gets bigger.
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Skwishee
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Re: My poor shubunkin
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2012, 04:09:16 AM »

Heya, heard back from Cheri and this is what she's suggested:

"Ohio is quite a ways from me. I'd suggest she tries local Japanese gardens, parks or zoos that have large ponds. I've also been able to meet people through the pond and garden stores. As a last resort someone on Craigslist will take him- just suggest she interviews them, you know, depth, filtration etc- the usual. Sorry I couldn't be of more help"

Fantailer the fish is already 8 inches, it is definitely big enough for a pond  Wink
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