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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #120 on: October 17, 2011, 03:31:27 PM »

Wow, thanks guys, great explanations.
You two should really pair up and write a book Grin It would be the one and only book any fish keeper would ever need, with the amount of knowledge you guys have!

Thanks, I now know what protein skimmers do! I was wondering as I've seen them mentioned here and there, when looking into salt tanks (a pipe dream I've had when considering keeping a Lionfish or Mantis Shrimp).

So 10x an hour, is best for a filters turn over, got it Cheesy Thanks also for the tip on knowing if a filter is having bypass issues, I'll keep that in mind Smiley

I was also looking at the 1400 L/H by the pond solutions people as it comes with the UV bulb (I was thinking a UV bulb would be handy in general? For killing hitch hike snails? Or can it ever be used to kill bacteria/parasites that may be making a fish sick?) and it also has free media. Other than the 'active carbon' needing to be changed every 2 - 8 weeks, do any of these need frequent changing or just a wash? As the filter mentions it comes with ceramic rings, biochemical cotton, bio balls.

So many different types of filter media!

Thanks guys, I wish I could re pay you all in some way for all the wonderful help and advice you've been giving me Grin
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #121 on: October 17, 2011, 08:45:34 PM »

Ceramic rings and bio balls don't have to be changed. The sponge filter it comes with doesn't have to be replaced unless it tears or wears out. It does come with a sort poly fiber white pad that will wear out after a couple of washings, but you can replace it with your own filter pad and it will last longer.

Mantis shrimp... keep en in acrylic as they will shatter a glass tank. A full grown mantis has the striking force of a .22 calibur bullet.
Also, they will kill anything put in the tank with them.

Lionfish are awesome, and they don't really need a skimmer. You can keep them in a fish only tank. They do need rock work to feel safe, they like to float with their belly against the wall. Watch out for the spines. The dorsal fins of course contain venom, a neuromuscular toxin and a neurotransmitter called acetylcholine which can be very painfull and cause vomiting. So you must be very careful when cleaning their tank. They are however very pretty and very interesting to watch. I've had a few. Smiley
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #122 on: October 18, 2011, 03:32:31 AM »

Thanks for explaining that, Dragonii, I feel enlightened c: *karma*

Skwishee: Even if the filter you buy contain carbon media you can in most cases exchange that and skip using it, it really is of no help in a goldfish tank Smiley You could add more bio media instead.

And about UV sterilizers, they're commonly used in ponds, to kill off parasites etc, but I personally wouldn't be spending the money on one of those for an aquarium, they will kill parasites and make your day that much easier, but in the end all you need to do is quarantine fish and plants before adding them and there's only so much you can add to a tank anyway Smiley
If it's built into the filter and is sort of a nice extra feature, why not? Smiley
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #123 on: October 18, 2011, 05:00:02 PM »

The beauty of having it built into the filter is that you don't have to use it, just leave it turned off, then if you have an outbreak of ich or what have you just flip the switch and let it run. It gives you one more tool in fighting it. And at the low cost of the filter (being cheaper than any Eheim, Fluval, Marineland or Rena) you really aren't paying anything extra to have it. 
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #124 on: October 20, 2011, 04:09:29 AM »

Haha yes Dragonii, I knew that about Mantis Shrimp, that's why they fascinate me! How something so small can be so powerful ya know? And I find it incredible how even if they're 'punch' as it were misses their prey, the speed they attack with forms this bubble like thing, that explodes and the after shock from that will hit them for sure! (There is a very good documentary 'Fastest Claw in the West' voiced by David Attenborough that explains/shows it very well).

I was also told once, that it's only two breeds of Mantis Shrimp that strike with the .22 calibre force. I once contacted this awesome guy Roy Caldwell and he told me the breeds that do it are the Odontodactylus scyllarus (a.k.a Peacock Mantis Shrimp) and the Hemisquilla californiensis Grin
Also he told me that they've recorded a 6 inch male Peacock Mantis, striking with a force of over 1500 N Cheesy

The little guys are just amazing! My local aquarium back home had one for a little while, he was a beauty. Would sit in his little cave and just watch you, I'll have to see if I have a photo of him anywhere. (I'm getting excited just talking about them!)

As for lion fish, yes I never got as far as thinking about tank cleaning Grin In one word, ouch! They're even poisonous when their dead I believe, but my so beautiful.

I'm starting to notice a pattern of liking things that are beautiful, but very harmful XD Wink

Yes thanks for the advice with the filters, I think I'll get one with a UV Smiley Also thanks for the info on the different media!
Not having to change the ceramic rings/bio balls, sounds good Cheesy and I can always keep the carbon on hand, to use in the various scenario's you guys mentioned before Smiley

Noss: when you say add more bio media, do you mean the balls? Or sponges?
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #125 on: October 20, 2011, 10:06:54 AM »

I mean everything, the bacteria will grow in both sponges and bio balls etc, so that's just your choice of what's easier Smiley
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #126 on: October 20, 2011, 11:19:37 AM »

The Peacock Mantis Shrimp is the one that most people want because of their colors. I find their eye sight system to be just as interesting as their claws. Built in cross hairs!

As for bacteria, yeah, Nossie is right, it will grow in anything. Even a fake castle in the tank will bet a layer of bacteria on it. The reason that things like bio balls and ceramic rings are used is because they can be easily cleaned without using tap water. Sponges will grow a heavy colony of bacteria and are used for such, but it harder to get a big sponge clean by using old aquarium water.

The bio balls/ceramic rings do get pricey, but there are cheaper alternatives. Lava rock works well as it is porous and inert. I have seen people use rings cut from PVC pipes, shavings from factories that make PVC products, cut up little blocks of filter sponge, pea gravel, cut up floor scrubber pads, just about anything with good surface area that will not effect the water chemistry. I spent a very long time doing the research on bio media and I have tried all sorts of things myself. It appears that the cheapest, easiest and most surface area balance is those st*pid little pot scrubbers. Bet they didn't think of that as one of their uses when they made them.

I have even used fluidized bed filters. They offer the absolute maximum in bacterial growth surface area, but can be tricky to keep running properly. They are basically a chamber with sand in it and the sand becomes suspended in the moving water. Bacteria grows on the surface of every grain of sand. These are the type of bio filters that are used in large public aquariums.
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P.S. Sand based filters are also used for swimming pools, water treatment/sewage plants, chemical plants and much more.
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #127 on: October 20, 2011, 05:25:41 PM »

Ah yeah! Mantis Shrimp have one of the best eye sight in the entire animal kingdom I believe Cheesy

As for bio balls/ceramic rings there are these on amazon:
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Is that a decent quantity for the price? I will also look out for the sponges when I next head into town Smiley

That sand based filter is pretty amazing, how on earth would you make one at home?
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #128 on: November 10, 2011, 09:44:15 AM »

Hey guys,

I just want to say thank you so much for all the wonderful advice on filters and the such.

I'm not sure I can keep Lucky anymore, I've been looking into stocking and things, asking around and some places say for single tailed fish you need a minimum of 80 litres. On the other forum where I've been asking questions, they've told me I can only keep fantails in the 125 litre, not commons or shubunkins.

I don't really know what to do now, everywhere I go it says something different and I'm not sure which one to believe Undecided
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #129 on: November 10, 2011, 11:18:08 AM »

I personally wouldn't keep one in a tank this small.... but it did live for 44+ years.
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So I think a single fish will be just fine in a tank of at least 40 gallons (150 liters). As long as you have good filtration and do the maintenance that is.
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #130 on: November 10, 2011, 11:58:37 AM »

Common Goldfish:
40 gallons (48 US gallons, 180 litres) for the first fish with an extra 12 gallons (14 US gallons, 55 litres) for each extra fish. The tank needs to have a minimum length of 4 feet (120cm) to allow swimming room. Single tail goldfish are more suited to a pond when they are near full size to give them swimming room.

Fancy Goldfish:
30 gallons (36 US gallons, 140 litres) for the first fish with an extra 10 gallons (12 US gallons, 45 litres) for each extra fish. The tank needs to have a minimum length of 3 feet to allow swimming room.

In addition, an external filter is highly recommended.

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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #131 on: November 11, 2011, 06:03:03 AM »

I would also keep commons in nothing smaller than a 200-300 liter tank, but she would be just fine in that tank until some beautiful day when you'll get the idea that they may need/want some more room Smiley
Many people start off like this, in a tank that's big enough, water-wise but not if you think about the measurements and space, so many end up upgrading to pretty big tanks in the end as they see the fish grow.

But it's of course your choice what you do, I'd definitely go for it Smiley One day you could sell the older tanks and use the money for a larger one Smiley
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #132 on: November 11, 2011, 06:10:46 AM »

Yeah... I thought as much, I've seen the growth chart around which is why I thought possibly two would be okay in the 125 litres when their young say for 2 or 3 years? Then get a bigger tank, but then I imagine in another 2 years or so after that I'd need to get another tank again. Problem is I don't even know if I can afford that, I barely have enough to get by as it is, let alone needing to buy a new tank every few years.

It just seems alot really, when in the long run she'd be happier and no doubt better off in someones pond  Undecided
If I could build a pond believe me I would, but I can't as the property I'm in is rented and I might not be here for long either.

I'll have a think about things, I don't want to give her up but if it's in her best interest then I may have to. Then in the future if I do want goldfish again I'll do it properly, get a big tank and probably stick to fancies.

Also it's interesting that a goldfish lived for 44 years, but was it surviving or thriving?
I don't want to keep her on her own in a tank just so she'll survive....
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« Reply #133 on: November 12, 2011, 08:00:38 AM »

Hmmm okay so according to Scrivens advice, I would need a 230 litre tank for 2 goldfish that is a common/shubunkin.....

That's a huge tank for just two fish, Nossie don't you have one a similar size with 8 fancy goldfish?
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« Reply #134 on: November 12, 2011, 12:05:23 PM »

No, my tank is 320 liters Cheesy Counted roughly 40 liters per fish, which is how much each and every one needs.
But it's really about the measurements, as long as they'd have space to swim about, you can calculate the minimum space for each fish, including commons. Many people think it's mad having 40 liters per fish already so... c:

You don't have to (and by all means shouldn't) get a new, bigger tank every 2-3 years! Rather have the one you're getting now and then, if necessary, get a proper sized one, maybe 200-300 liters and have a few goldfish there. Commons aren't any dirtier than fancies, so they'd be just fine in a tank that size, with up to 4-6 goldfish or so Smiley At least that's what I'd personally do! A 200 liter tank is pretty big in the end, and with proper filtration they'd all be so happy! Smiley
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« Reply #135 on: November 12, 2011, 12:43:32 PM »

Yeah I can understand that the people in the other forum are referring to adult sized fish, but I too thought they'd be alright in a slightly smaller tank while young, they are hardly going to become massive over night.

One other thing that I can't help but thinking, from what I've been told and researched goldfish of the single tailed variety grow up to around 10 inches, sometimes maybe a bit bigger. But the way people talk to me about them is almost like they're going to grow gigantic.
I mean it makes me wonder if it's like human growth, we could grow 6 foot, but lets face it most of us don't.
So maybe it's the same with fish? They could grow to over a foot in length, but how many of them actually do?

I'm speaking to some people on another board (An Aquarists society I've found) but they seem to have more experience with tropicals so I'm not sure how much advice they can give me on Goldfish, but it's somewhere vaguley local so I could always ask for products or if any of them have spare tanks/filters that kind of thing.

I'm also considering a rather insane project. A goldfish haven project infact.

Not sure how feasable this would really be, so I'm currently looking around at how pricey this will work out, but if it's something I could possibly save up for while I look after Lucky in the 125 litre tank (possibly with the shubunkin, not sure wether to add it or not).

It makes me feel a bit barmy even just considering it but.... it's worth checking out every option before I go chucking her in someone else's pond and calling it quits..... Besides I may even have problems finding someone with suitable space for her and then I imagine I'd turn into an insane fish mum checking out these people's ponds XD It would be like finding a school for a child!
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #136 on: November 12, 2011, 04:00:58 PM »

It's definitely the same with goldfish, fantails for instance have a pretty average size of 6-7 inches, and our biggest ones were definitely not larger than 4.5-5 inches. Especially the pet shop varieties will most likely end up a little smaller Smiley

Lucky would probably be very happy having a little friend, so if I were you, I'd let the tank cycle and Lucky get comfy and quarantine a cute shubunkin for her Cheesy Both would be pretty small for at least a year and they'd have perfectly enough space in the 125L Smiley

Goldfish haven? What exactly does it mean? (All I know is that "haven" is something like "sanctuary", so I'm sort of missing the point :'D)

I wouldn't really give her away, not while you have all the possibility in the world to keep her! (i.e. the bigger tank) Besides, I doubt anyone that would have a pond would care for her as much as you do, in the end she might be taken by  bird and they'd be more like "oh well. I'll get another one." I think she's very lucky (pun not intended) to have been adopted by you Smiley
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #137 on: November 13, 2011, 05:38:02 AM »

Haha it's what I named my rather insane goldfish project! I shall find the dictionary definition for you  Smiley
Haven: any place of shelter and safety.

I too thought the same about her going to a pond Nossie! What if the other fish bully her or she just dies and the person tells me like 'I don't know why she just died the other day' XD Or if I give her away and then in a few years it turned out I would have had enough money for a larger tank! Ahhh so many terrible outcomes, it's insane how attached I am to her and I've not even had her for 3 months! I was also considering giving her away and having a different type of fish, but then it wouldn't be the same! I'd have no cute fishy eating food from my fingers or nibbling my arm while I'm cleaning the tank!

As for another fish, someone suggested having a mirror next to the tank instead (a tactic they use for fish who are on their own in quarantine)  Smiley Which might be a nice idea.
I know the 2 little ones would be okay, but at the moment I'm not sure how long it'll be till I can get a bigger tank, so I'd rather have Lucky on her own knowing she'll be okay in there for a few years, than have two that will only be okay for a year.

But I'm going to do some looking around and planning today, then I can let you know about my goldfish haven project some more  Cheesy

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Okay so Project Goldfish Haven is basically what I named my current situation of 'I need to save a ton of money for fish', except Project Goldfish Haven sounds far more exciting Wink

Okay so I have spent literally all afternoon trawling through the internet looking at tanks and finally at half 6 in the evening (I started this search sometime this afternoon taking a break for Lucky's water change) I have found the best deal (so far) in all of tank land!
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What do you guys think? It's from the same company as those filters I've been eyeing up on Amazon, so at least if I do get it, I know if I buy a filter from them for my Dads tank, that the pipe work will fit in nicely.

Although looking around there are mixed reviews, so I won't be jumping into anything just yet (not to mention I still have to save money).

Although it talks about having a top tray filter in the hood? I have no idea what that is and only hope Dragonii has some clue to use his fantastic explanantion skills!
I might also ask some bespoke places, maybe they can beat the price?

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Rather cheap too and if my maths is correct I work it out to be around 600 litres?

I'm considering a few other aquariums at the moment and might try ringing around some aquarium shops.
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« Reply #138 on: November 14, 2011, 02:29:30 PM »

WOW! Nice tank! Smiley
Comparing the prices between this and other cabinet tanks it's definitely a bargain, here something half that size carries the same price! Shocked (If there's a cabinet included of course)
Did you try checking out any second hand tanks too? Do you have any "buy and sell" kinds of things there aside from ebay? Cheesy (I usually peek for tanks at tori.fi which is like a buy-sell kind of place online, simply with contact information directly to the owners.)

Those top filters are called trickling filters, they work with gravity mostly, you put the filter media into different trays and the water will be dripping through after it's siphoned from the tank (like an external filter on top!). That's the basics of it, but like you said, I'm sure Dragonii will know more Wink

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« Reply #139 on: November 15, 2011, 02:56:33 AM »

I have one very similar to that Skwishee, same curved corners but it also has a curved front. The filter in the hood works just as Nossie explained above but in mine, the water is pumped across an airation tray with holes in it which sits above the filter sponges. It also has a flash gate at the end which allows you to control how much water is filtered, it also has space for other filter media. It's been set up since May, cycled ok, and is easy to clean and access for maintenance, so far its been all okand I test it once a week as well as doing a 60% water change...
Thanks for the link to the Infinity outdoor pond, I want one, I want one, I want one for F.B. as she is still growing ( I think she is going for the world record)... will have to look and see if I can find one or something similar here in the land of Aus.. cheers
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« Reply #140 on: November 15, 2011, 09:56:04 AM »

Glad you liked the pond Ron Cheesy
I would definitley buy one if I knew more about pond maintenance and didn't move house all the time! (For the past 5 years I have lived in 5 different places!). Also thank you both for the explanation on the filter, I think I'm starting to understand it a bit more now, it was just such a random filter type to add to a tank as I've not seen anything else like it!

I have found a few second hand sites Nossie's but it's immensely hit and miss with finding the right sized tanks, not to mention delivery, it has to be someone close by otherwise I can't get it. Imagine a 300 litre tank with me on a bus XD
I am also thinking of e-mailing a Bespoke shop, there's one based here in South Wales somewhere. So I could mention the prices I've seen and see if they can beat them or provide something at a similar price.

I'm currently thinking on either the All Ponds Solution tank (330 litres) or treating myself to a Juwel Rio 300 (350 litres).
Do you remember that sea pets website you gave me for pellets? They have a nice selection of tanks and they also give you gravel, a back ground, water conditioner and net for free (not much but a little bonus!).
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It's really just a question of how much I can save up. I'm looking into reviews on the All Ponds Solution tank (I'll shorten this to APS from now on), I don't understand how this company has such cheap deals! It makes me question how long a tank that cheap would last? Would I be better off saving up more money to get a Juwel?

Not to mention on such a large tank I'm going to need some killer filtration.
Even with the already there internal filter APS's internal does 900 LPH and Juwels 1000 LPH.
So I'm still going to need an external filter and then possibly another small internal filter as well?!

Nossie how much filtration do you have on your tank?

At the moment I'm considering maybe buying a larger external filter now, to go on my dads tank, knowing I can use it for the bigger one. Is there such a thing as too much filtration on a tank? Say 2000 L/H on the 125 litre tank?
Or I could go with the 1400 L/H but I'll still need to get a 600 L/H internal filter in addition. 3 filters on one tank seems a lot though XD
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« Reply #141 on: November 15, 2011, 10:52:42 AM »

Noticed, earlier they had really big tanks 400-1000 liters, but now it's all back to tiny 50-150 liters left on the second-hand place.. Tongue

I'm sure the cheaper tanks would last just as long as anything else, mine cost less than 1 per liter (when it comes to size) and it's been built in an aquarium factory here in Finland, they built the lamp too Smiley I'm absolutely sure that this one is just as good quality (if not better, considering the value) as a Juwel tank, which would be 800 for the same size that I have now!
Think about the filters Dragonii showed you, the Aquatops are so much cheaper than Eheim, but in no way worse Smiley

My tank is actually a little bit underfiltered, my external filter does 1000 liters per hour and the internal one does 500, so this is actually just 5 times the tank volume being filtered per hour. As soon as I have some extra money I intend to grab an Aquatop filter and run that along with the Eheim for extra overkill Grin
But I've had this filtration for about a year and half now and the water quality stays just fine! At most I might need to rinse the filter media a little bit more often than a properly filtered tank Smiley

There's no such thing as an overfiltered tank, at most you could try to decrease the current in case the fish would act uncomfortable, but that's very unlikely to happen, especially with long-bodied goldfish Smiley
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« Reply #142 on: November 15, 2011, 02:19:11 PM »

Yeah, thats true, plus with the filters I was thinking 'How much current can two internal filters make in such a big tank?'
Plus with the APS it's a top tray filter anyway, that's not going to make much current is it?

I could always just have the additional internal filter for a quarantine tank anyway. I'm sure the tank could survive just fine if I were to ever remove it, should I need to quarantine anything. So I think I'll get one for that purpose more so than worrying about having the filtration 10X exactly.

As for over filtering, it would be with the external only, I doubt I'll add any internal filters on to my dads tank as it probably won't be needed and seeing as Lucky will be the only fish in there, if there were any issues with her health I could just treat her in the tank (I've seen some medication by Water Life that doesn't affect the bacteria in the tank and can treat various conditions).
Plus if there was too much current, I could always cover the intake with a sponge or something? I've heard of people doing that for fry or small fish.

It's just a matter of deciding wether I want to go for the 1400 L/H or the 2000 L/H and then hoping I get enough money at christmas to cover the cost!

I think I may also ask around on other forums, if anyone else has had experience with APS Smiley
Other than that, it was quite a good find really and like you said Nossie it is literally half the price of any other tanks that size I've seen! Plus so far anything I've seen on other forums about APS is all pretty much positive, I know I may sound a little hesitant but it just seems to good to be true, so I keep thinking something must be wrong with it XD

Oh oh! One another tank I wanted to share quickly before I go googling the crazy out of APS.
(Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.) ! Planning my Goldfish sanctuary tank is so much fun, especially with finding bargain tanks Cheesy One day my house will be filled with them... I can just tell!

(Although the measurements ND Aquatics give are a bit dodgy, I checked them out on a volume calculator and it came out as 453 litres not 396 litres, any ideas why? Maybe I worked it out wrong? The dimensions are 48 x 2 x 24)
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« Reply #143 on: November 16, 2011, 01:49:38 AM »

Nope, I don't think it would, but it would keep the surface moving and that's essential Smiley
It's pretty important to have a good circulation in the tank though so that the dirt can be sucked up by the filter, but I am pretty sure that the trickle filters are designed to work just fine, so I won't give any comments on that since I have no idea how the whole "sucking it up from the tank" part works c:

It's an awesome idea to use the internal filter in quarantine, that would probably help whoever is sick very well, and it won't hurt having an extra filter Smiley (I found two extra filters and three heaters in my fish-related cabinet yesterday @_@)

I think the sponge idea would rather be protecting the fish from getting stuck/sucked in rather than changing the current much at all... but maybe dragonii will have some ideas?
My Eheim comes with some vents you can stick on the hoses, I use it only when cleaning it out, so I close the tubing and then clean the filter, so I won't make any more watery mess than I need to! But I think they could be used to regulate the current of the water if you'd change the vent for the top tube? (Again, needs verification)

It's always better safe than sorry, so just keep doing your research on those tanks Smiley The one you linked to now is very nice too! I like it! Cheesy But at the same time, the APS was almost a tad more elegant...? I don't know.. >>

Question is, is the measurement in US inches and British gallons? Which would be pretty strange D: (Unless of course you actually use US inches in England?)
I calculated the measurements below the picture:
48x24x18/231 and got 89,8 this would be the volume in US Gallons, converting that to liters would be 340 liters and 74,7 British gallons (do you even use British gallons there? Everyone I've spoken to here uses Liters)
The measurements below the picture in turn will be:
48x24x24/231 and equals: 119,7 US gallons, or 453,6 liters which in British gallons equals 99,6 British gallons.

Either I counted it all wrong too or the information given is weird D: The top measurements where the tank is 18" wide would be closest to their shown results. What's important though is that it's roughly 340 liters (nice size indeed!!) and you can measure and count yourself how big the tank is when you need to dose conditioners and the like instead Smiley
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« Reply #144 on: November 16, 2011, 04:11:55 AM »

Yeah, I thought the calculations were weird too! I might e-mail to clarify, because it's sold as a 396 litre tank, I don't want to get it and then find out we were right and some of the litres are missing!

But again it's quite reasonable if it is 396 litres, only thing that put me off really, is it doesn't come with lights or any type of filter.
They have 'extras' you can purchase with the tank, but the lights and filter are really expensive! It would probably work out, once those had been added, to be a similar price to the Juwel tank.

I also just assume that because it's a British site the measurements are just in  inches (it seems to be what all tank sizes are given in), we don't really use gallons over here, tanks I see in shops are always sold in litre sizes.

I found an interesting thread last night about the APS filters, people were saying that generally they're happy with the product, treat it nicely because some of the trays in the filter and the plastic piping is a little on the flimsy side, so as long as you don't go wacking it around, it'll be fine  Wink (They also advised vaseline can help with anything that's being a little stiff).

One interesting point, was two people found screws in the bottom of their filter.
One found it when the motor was noisy and upon inspection a screw fell out (after this the filter was fine but they were freaked out by the screw so got a replacement) and someone just found one randomly at the bottom.
There also seems to be some issues with people getting faulty filters sent to them (i.e. ones that make immense amounts of noise) but from what I've seen people got replacements pretty swiftly. Also there was one mention of a handle snapping of (the one you use to shut off the pipes) but they got a replacement pretty easily.

The products do have a 12 month warranty, so I imagine if any of these problems did occur to me within the first few months, at least I could get it fixed no problem. There seems to be mixed responses about their customer service, people say they got the parts they needed but one person couldn't get through on the phones or get a reply from their e-mail, and decided to not buy the filter at all because of that?

So I think I'll be getting one for my dads tank, to give it a go, I can't imagine having enough money to buy a fancy brand anyway XD

So far I can't find a lot on their tanks, but I'll keep looking.

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I also popped into my LFS today and they're going to help me find a tank too!
The guy I spoke to mentioned a 5 foot tank, with two external filters, lights and a heater so that could be a possibility. His going to give me a ring this afternoon with their prices on the Rio 300 and any tanks of a similar size.

My only problem really is just money!
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« Reply #145 on: November 16, 2011, 08:56:52 AM »

That's true. Paying for something you're not getting isn't too much fun... Tongue

Why would a person try to reach the customer service if they didn't have the products? Nah, doesn't matter, but that's simply how all customer service works, it's pretty hard to get through in the end so patience will be needed. Besides, if they send replacement parts quickly and without problems I don't think it matters much if they don't have time to answer an e-mail Smiley
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« Reply #146 on: November 16, 2011, 09:08:30 AM »

Yeah I thought a similar thing, unless they had a really specific query?

I'm beginning to wonder if maybe I should run my dads tank on his internal filter and my little one together for a while. Save my money to get a tank?
I spoke to my dad the other day and he doesn't know what filtration the internal does, all he knows is that it's suitable for the tank size (which could mean anything to me really).
I've tried looking up Fluval 3 but I have no idea if it's the right one, it says a Fluval 3 Internal filter does 700 LPH? So that hooked up with my dinky 200LPH would be 900 LPH altogether (assuming the info I found is correct) which in a 125 litre tank would only be a little bit under filtered. This is assuming dad's works, I'll find out next month when we get all the equipment here and this mysterious black box the filter was hooked up to before I had it to clean.
Info I found was here (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

In all honesty even if Dad's doesn't work, I could still get a PF3 Interpret filter that does 800 LPH for around 25. A fraction of the price on an external, plus the internal could be used on the larger tank as back up for quarantine?

Just thinking it would save me a bit of money that I could otherwise put towards a tank?
Just incase the current was too much between them (although Lucky's been fine with the 200 lph in the 20 litre tank), are there methods to decrease the current? Or do you think two internal filters would be okay as a temporary set up?

I'll see what the LFS comes back with as well, he did mention a large tank that comes with two external filters. Or maybe I could ask them to do me a deal if I brought a tank and external filter from them...... Hmmm......

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Well I missed the call from the LFS because I was at work XD I even told them to leave a message on my answer phone... maybe they forgot, so I'll have to see if I can go in tomorrow or Friday and see what they have come up with! Will let you guys know their suggestions.
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« Reply #147 on: November 17, 2011, 05:59:18 PM »

So I popped into the LFS today and found out some fun things.
It turns out they have different discounts each month, so this month the Juwel Rio 300 with cabinet was available for 495  Embarrassed If only I had the money grrr that's only a little bit more than the All Ponds Solution tank!

He also mentioned to me Aqua one tanks, such as the Aquience and that they are releasing some new tanks this month, one of which is the Eurostyle 150 which is around 350L and comes with an external filter of 1200 L/H, which would be ideal. His general advice was to come back when I have the money, otherwise he could give me all these deals that are on now and they will be different next month XD

So I guess if it is okay to run Dads tank on two internal filters (?) I can put whatever I get at Christmas towards a new tank.
So roughly, I'll need to save 500/600  Undecided I have no idea how long that will take XD

At least with Lucky being moved into the 125 litre sometime in January, I will have plenty of time to save the money  Smiley
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« Reply #148 on: November 18, 2011, 09:03:54 AM »

Absolutely! Smiley Go for it, and we'll see how it goes when you'll have the money saved Smiley
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« Reply #149 on: November 19, 2011, 06:11:40 AM »

Thanks Nossie Smiley Here's hoping my dads internal filter works! Cheesy

Also with quarantining plants is it okay to stick them in a bucket? Or are there any quick methods of cleaning them? I've heard bleach dips being mentioned?
I also managed to find that mopani driftwood you mentioned, a shop called the Range sells it for 1.99 a piece (bargain!) under the company Tropix, but the label says its mopani. Does that need to be soaked in any way?

I also found a surface area calculator and it worked out that my Dads tank can keep 47cm/18.5 inches of goldfish... so technically Lucky could live in that tank for the rest of her life? I was thinking it'd be big enough for another goldfish, but since I don't know how long it'll take to get the money, I don't want to have two that will quickly out grow it >.<
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