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Dragonii
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #60 on: September 29, 2011, 10:11:01 AM »

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OH yeah ^_^ I think plants on driftwood would be nice, I have plenty of invisible string from a crazy fish related project I did in college! I basically hung drawings of fish/sharks/whales etc in jars it was pretty fun ^_^ although everyone kept asking how I made the stuff at the bottom of the jar (I put some blue sand in there) and I was like.... it's sand... I brought it >.>
And people say I'm ditsy Roll Eyes

But yes plants on driftwood, I wouldn't have to worry about substrate too much, but I'm thinking maybe some grass type plants would be nice in the gravel anyway? If all the plants were up on driftwood, then I feel the gravel/bottom of the tank would be rather empty.

Google showed me some amazing tanks like this one:
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I would love it if I could make my tank look like that! It would be like a garden for Lucky....



Yeah, those tanks are nice, but what you have to remember is that they are mostly done by people for competitions and they do it with the plant growth in mind. The use Co2 injectors and special fertilizers to get that growth and the fish load is extremely light. I see 5 small fish and 2 shrimp in that tank. But they are pretty.
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #61 on: September 30, 2011, 02:32:27 AM »

I agree with Dragonii, it's a little over the top Wink And the goldfish will eat anything as delicious as that! Grin
On the chunk of driftwood where the Anubias and java fern are taking over there was also a little patch of java moss (grass like, pretty thready moss) and that was gone and eaten within a few weeks, I had to keep picking out those annoying moss threads floating about everywhere... xD

You could get the dwarf anubias and plant those on the gravel, they will spread out to the sides rather than growing upwards, creating a little kind of lawn on the bottom Smiley Mine are growing like mad... then you could add the Barter's Anubias (middle-size) to the wood and keep the java ferns growing as a background? Smiley
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #62 on: September 30, 2011, 03:30:20 AM »

Yeah I realised after reading about those fancy tanks, it's an insane amount of maintenance and yes, I imagine Lucky would eat most of it  Grin I just had this fun idea that the goldfish had a garden to play in...

I like the idea of different levels, a lawn on the bottom sounds nice, I'm thinking maybe getting some rocks, so will have to look around the pet shop, as I imagine random rocks picked up from the beach/park area bad idea!

So then it would be driftwood in the back and middle, some rocks placed around, maybe I could get them in such a way, that the fish would have somewhere to hide... then plants at different levels to add some green Cheesy

I was also thinking in the meantime, of adding a plastic plant pot into Lucky's tank, cut the bottom off, so it's like a tunnel, would I need to do anything to the pot before putting it in? Asides from making sure it's clean! I feel she needs a bit more in that tank of hers  Smiley
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #63 on: September 30, 2011, 04:16:55 AM »

Most rocks collected from outside may have some harmful chemicals or dirt on them, so bleach would be a good thing to clean them in. But you can also go to garden shops and supermarkets and buy some pebbles from there, they're usually a lot cheaper.. Smiley

If you'd be cutting in the plastic pot it might get sharp edges that could hurt Lucky, in general everything you put with a goldfish needs to have rounded edges and rather not be something they could swim through. It happened to another member here that her goldfish had grown a lot since she bought the ornaments, and one of them got stuck in it, losing a few scales and getting scratched in process. In case the fish will get stressed, it will be happy just hiding in the plants too Smiley They most likely won't get stressed since you're headed for a more natural look on your tank which will keep the fish more comfortable than if you'd have neon pink gravel and blue plants... Wink
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #64 on: September 30, 2011, 04:49:00 AM »

Yeah I've seen horrible fake plants that are just gross colours XD I don't want to trip the poor fish out!

Hmm I see what you mean about the garden pot, I was thinking it would be nice for her to have something ya know? As I don't have any substrate and she eats everything, thus plants don't last very long! A couple of weeks at most, so I'm probably going to have to buy some more plants soon! Didn't know if there was anything I could get her, so she'd have somewhere to hide/explore.

Also with the bigger tank being 125 litres, will that suit Lucky for the rest of her fishy life, or will I need to upgrade in a few years? I'm only thinking of getting one other fish besides her and then maybe seeing how they got on with snails. I re call having goldfish that ate some apple snails when I was a kid XD So it will be hit or miss I imagine?
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #65 on: September 30, 2011, 10:13:38 AM »

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Yeah I've seen horrible fake plants that are just gross colours XD I don't want to trip the poor fish out!



We did a test one time at a fish store that I worked at. We set up a 55 gallon tank, one half we decorated with all natural colors like green plants and brown gravel, the other end we did in all fake colors, pink, blue, neon green, etc. You would have thought that we had an invisible force field in the middle of the tank. All of the fish stayed on the natural side. If by chance one crossed over it turned around immediately and swam back to the natural side. It was so odd to see.
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #66 on: October 02, 2011, 07:27:26 AM »

Skwishee: I think a 125 liter will be fine Smiley As long as you don't add any more than 4 goldfish max!! Wink
Like I said too, Java fern will be good starting plants, they provide shelter for the fish, and they won't be eaten Smiley

Dragonii: I heard about that! I think it's pretty interesting... imagine all those poor goldfish that have to live in those spongebob-decorated tanks with glowy colors... >>
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #67 on: October 03, 2011, 03:34:42 AM »

Wow Dragonii, that is pretty interesting! I guess they really prefer something more natural!

Ah thanks Nossie, I'm only thinking of having 2 goldfish, I worry that 4 would push it a bit XD
I may possibly get a 3rd fish (I'm thinking a yellow comet), depending on how Lucky and future Shubunkin settle in Smiley
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #68 on: October 03, 2011, 04:00:57 AM »

That's perfect Smiley Besides, in case you'd happen to find a beautiful yellow comet, you could be sure that he'd have space with the two others Wink
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #69 on: October 03, 2011, 04:05:17 AM »

Skwishee if your local petstore has tank stones you could put one in. I have one in my tank and it looks great!
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #70 on: October 03, 2011, 08:51:13 AM »

Thanks guys!

I saw some lovely shubunkins and yellow comets while out today! Stared at them wistfully Cheesy
In the meantime the only purchase I'm planning on making for the current tank is a small piece of a drift wood and a new plant! As the one currently in there, it's roots have gone brown *yuck* so hopefully something growing on drift wood that Lucky won't eat will thrive a little better, than a plant trying to live in just gravel with a goldfish that keeps eating it XD

Can I ask though, are there implications (if any) to keeping commons/shubunkins/comets in aquariums?
I know the bigger the tank, the better and some places suggest an 180 litre tank for keeping commons, or that a pond is much better for them. I mean we all know goldfish grow pretty big if their in a pond, so does that mean the ones in tanks become stunted? Or just that the ones in ponds have more growth spurts because of the temperature change after winter?

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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #71 on: October 03, 2011, 09:28:53 AM »

There's no problem keeping the commons etc in aquariums, the only thing that separates them from fancy goldfish is that they're a lot faster, so they need more space to be able to swim around Smiley You won't stunt them if you give them a tank no smaller than 80 liters.

The reason why they grow bigger in ponds is because they get more protein rich food in the bugs that fall into the water, and of course that it's a more natural way for them to stay since the seasons change and bring on breeding behavior, and the sun does their colors good Smiley
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #72 on: October 03, 2011, 02:59:05 PM »

Ah, bugs! I never thought of that, thank you Nossie, you should seriously write a book! You know so much!

I saw the most cutest shubunkins all calico with grey specks like they were flicked at with a paint brush and yellow comets today! Felt a little sad I can't get any yet, but the patience will be worth it!
One thing though, is it normal for a shubunkins eyes to be black? One of the little guys, I swear, had black eyes, it was a little random, but I thought given their colouring maybe its normal?
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #73 on: October 04, 2011, 02:44:41 AM »

That sounds familiar, I've heard that before Wink I'm flattered Smiley But I think reading books is more my thing Smiley (I don't have glasses though D8)

Completely normal with black eyes Smiley Sometimes the color will spread to the eyes and make black patterns on them too. Freya has pretty strange patterns on her pupils, somehow the black has "splattered" around them giving them weird shape. And my recently deceased calico baby had one black eye as well. It's not a wanted trait in show fish and they'd lose points on that, but I think it's adorable! Cheesy
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #74 on: October 04, 2011, 08:52:05 AM »

Aww thats cool about the shubunkin Smiley The little guy in the pet shop I saw had entire black eyes, I can't believe they'd lose points! Poor fish! I'd agree though, it is sweet, Shubunkins are just so pretty!
And I saw some Oranda's and Fantails! Oh my, if I had the tank space, I would have gone on a little fishy shopping spree!

Also am I right in thinking that shoving some java fern on some drift wood and it'll be fine? It won't need any special attention other than some light?

Was thinking of getting some driftwood tomorrow in between work and things, then letting it sit in some water till all the tanin comes out, then getting a plant and letting it sit in some old tank water for like a week or so, just to make sure there's no snail babies on it! Then using it to replace the plant Lucky's eaten the heck out of, plus she'd have some drift wood in her tank then!
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #75 on: October 05, 2011, 02:31:21 AM »

You're right. Java ferns are among the most hardy plants ever! So they'll be just fine Smiley

I have a kind of drift wood that won't release any tannins, it's really easy to scrub clean before you add it to the tank and you don't have to go through half the trouble that you do with bog wood. It's called Mopani drift wood and has a very gnarly and round, knotted look to it. It also sinks on it's own and is really heavy so it'll stay in place Smiley (Some other woods may slide around in the tank sometimes)

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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #76 on: October 05, 2011, 03:08:48 AM »

Ahh awesome, I know I saw some driftwood at my aquarium shop down the road, so will ask them about what type it is!
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #77 on: October 06, 2011, 06:55:35 AM »

Okay!

So I went to the shop about driftwood, he had this odd looking driftwood for 4 a piece! I'm pretty sure I saw some drift wood for 1.99 in this shop called The Range, so may buy it from there instead. I asked about java fern and he had some on driftwood already for 5 or individual pieces for 1.75, but was getting more in tomorrow.
They were quite small and didn't look 100%, do plants get 'better' if you buy them in a potentially poor condition? I'm not sure what their meant to look like, so I could have it all wrong XD

I also asked about external filters, explained it would be 125 litre with 2 or 3 goldfish and he recommended an Aqua one 700, that's on sale for 40 at the moment. He also had various other Aqua one's and said they also stock Eheim.
Now I would rather buy a filter from a shop down the road, so if something does go wrong, I don't have far to go, compared to buying on the internet!

I know you guys mentioned Eheims, but have you had any experience with Aqua One filters?

I also found an Aquarists Society in North Wales, so will be asking there about substrate for plants, maybe they could post some to me!
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #78 on: October 07, 2011, 02:30:51 AM »

Well, they will grow bigger, of course Tongue It's just easier to stick smaller plants to wood and then let them grow, but you can decide on that yourself if you want this one or not Smiley As long as the plant is dark green with smooth color, it should be perfectly healthy.

I have an Eheim, but they're pretty pricey... Smiley I've never heard of Aqua One since they don't seem to stock them here, maybe Dragonii has some good info about them Smiley
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #79 on: October 07, 2011, 03:41:37 AM »

Well I looked up the Aqua One 700 and it only seems to do 700 L/H (hence the number in the name I guess!), so that rate might be a little low....
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #80 on: October 07, 2011, 06:22:25 AM »

A little little bit.
The Eheim 2217 does 1000l/h so that would probably fit your tank pretty well..? Smiley
But again, Dragonii might have a good idea on what to do.
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #81 on: October 07, 2011, 02:51:23 PM »

That Eheim looks pretty awesome Wink

If I had the money, it would be great to buy two Aquaone 700's, 1400 L/H Cheesy
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #82 on: October 08, 2011, 02:43:47 AM »

Yeah, possibly, but if they're external filters it might be tricky to set them both up and clean them both etc...
It would always work having an aqua one and add a smaller internal filter that would get the last 500l/h needed.. Smiley
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #83 on: October 09, 2011, 04:10:07 AM »

Hmmm yeah, I guess the tank would be okay on 500 L/H less, if any fish needed to be quarantined and the smaller filter removed? Hopefully they never will, but I'm just keeping a back up plan, in my head, so I know what to do in an emergency Smiley

Also my mum's come up for the weekend and brought my dads filter with her, so I can get pics of that when I take it apart on Wednesday/Thursday Smiley The top of the filter says 3 Fluval Smiley
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #84 on: October 09, 2011, 02:42:43 PM »

Ah, we had one of those for the community tank Smiley But the little metal "stick" that the propeller was rotating around had fallen out. I did ask at the pet shop if they could order a piece for me, but I never heard about that again... >> (I might go remind them soon though, an extra filter is always good!)
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #85 on: October 10, 2011, 03:59:53 PM »

I've never seen an Aqua One, they don't sell them in the US. I did go check out their website, the designs look pretty solid.

Eheim is of course tried and true. They have been around forever and make rock solid filters... but they are very expensive.

I have an Aquatop canister that I have been very happy with, and in fact plan on buying another one.

In the US they are sold as Aquatop, but in the UK they are labeled as Eagle Aquatics.
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2000 L/H, UV sterilizer, prime button, surface extractor, plenty of room inside. I have been running for about 8 months and it has been nothing less than perfect. I don't think you will find anything as powerful and effective for the price.
You should buy some more bio media for it. They give you some but you also end up with a bunch of empty space in it. They do that so that you can add what ever you want. I added plastic pot scrubbers. They make great bio media and are dirt cheap.


Ignore that reviewer on Amazon, I think that was just someone that didn't know what they were talking about. I had no problems with mine and I know several people that use them and none of them have ever had anything bad to say about the filter.
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #86 on: October 11, 2011, 07:12:55 AM »

Dragonii: THAT IS SO CHEAP Shocked
... starting to wonder if I shouldn't try ordering one too, I could definitely use some extra filtration for those little fish of mine!
Maybe later though c:

Skwishee: Go for it! That's the most awesome deal I've heard of Cheesy
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #87 on: October 12, 2011, 03:14:08 AM »

Yeah, I still can't believe how cheap it is!

My only apprehension about it, is what if something goes wrong?
I can hardly post a massive external filter back, or get face-to-face help and also it's a brand that you just never see over here, so if something were to happen I'd be a bit stuck really Undecided I don't get how a 2000 L/H filter can be so cheap when 1000 L/H ones here are so expensive?
Although it does have a 12 month warranty...

I asked in the local market about Eheims and I almost keeled over when the man told me an Eheim 2217 would be around 180/190 Shocked Might ask in the LFS down the road about what they have/or can get in for 1000L/H.

I think I'll carry on asking around, just so I have a complete picture, as I won't be getting the money until christmas (still no idea how much I'll be getting either), but thanks for the help guys, will be posting pics of my dads filter soon x
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #88 on: October 12, 2011, 03:51:34 AM »

When I bought my Eheim, I think I paid about 130, so that's pretty weird that it's so expensive over there o_O
But you know, there are people here (Dragonii) who have experience with that other filter and even recommends it! If there were to be any problems with it, you could probably just ask him Smiley

Besides, most external filters have the same technology (not that complicated at all in the end) so you probably could get some face-to-face advice from the pet shop people anyway Smiley Once you'd figure it out yourself I doubt you'd be having problems with it in the first place! Wink (Mine was leaking at some point but I still have no idea why, it just stopped luckily Shocked)
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Re: Tanks for goldfish
« Reply #89 on: October 12, 2011, 04:07:13 AM »

What Nossie there was a price? Omg I'm so dazed right now. Roll Eyes
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