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Ron H
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2011, 01:19:15 AM »

Thanks for contributing to this thread all, its great to hear what you have found from your fishkeeping. I will have to give the garlic oil a try Nossie and Skwishee, I know my dearly departed dogs and cat used to love it as well... and I too soak the flakes, as I noticed that the fish seemed to gobble a lot of air at the surface if I didn't..
I always feel a bit sad for the boggle-eyed fish, to me they dont seem quite right to me, could you imagine a boggle eyed dog, cat or one of Goldiegirl's bear visitors with boggly fish eyes... mmmm maybe a photoshop opportunity there, lol...
cheers > Ron
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Skwishee
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #31 on: November 17, 2011, 03:51:54 AM »

I know what you mean Ron! I don't mind Telescope Eye Goldfish so much, but the Celestial Bubble Eye ones... I think it's just too much messing around with breeds  Undecided
On another note when I get around to ordering some pellets, I will definitely grab some garlic guard! Cheesy
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2011, 06:39:03 AM »

I have a telescope eye and they aren't to bad but the celestial eyes are pretty scary!
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2011, 02:17:57 PM »

Celestials and bubble eyes are actually suffering quite a lot from having to stare straight into the aquarium lights, not to mention that the bubbles are in the way and they could easily lose an eye on anything remotely sharp in a tank setup.
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2011, 03:13:12 PM »

I too am going to see if I can find the garlic gaurd. I agree that I would not get a celestial or bubble-eye. I am having a hard enough time with my moor! He is so sight-impaired I have to hold food directly in front of his face! (which I do several times a day, obviously).
I thought of another tip. Save those tiny sample flake jars and refill them from a larger pellet or flake jar. The remaining food stays fresher in the big container since it is not opened often. And if you get water in your small jar you have only wasted a small amount.
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2011, 10:42:33 AM »

I agree with you Ron, Nossie, and Skwishee. I have two telescopes and they (well, Copper Kate more than Koroit) aren't very good at competing unless you really baby them. While all of my sighted fish are in the "feeding corner" trying to beg for food, Copper Kate is always over on the other side of the tank trying to beg as well. Koroit does a bit better because his eye stalks aren't so huge. You just have to make sure they get enough food....sometimes feeding them on seperate sides of the tank works well, but often times they don't get all the food and you will see a small rain of pellets falling down around them while they hover there oblivious. Were they not living in captivity they wouldn't stand a chance. Poor little guys - but I do draw the line at bubble eyes and celestial eyes. I think breeding them to be so disfigured, what with horribly impaired swimming from having no dorsal fin and upturned, almost completely blind eyes...what an existance! Plus the bubbles on bubble eyes are known to pop on any slightly sharp object in the tank...wouldn't that hurt?  Undecided

Speaking of odd breeding I believe there are some newer goldfish breeds being developed I found on some website a little while ago....something called the "toad face" goldfish and some other stranger ones...such as telescope-eyes with wens and pompoms.
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Skwishee
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2011, 11:51:57 AM »

Really? I don't get why someone would do that to the goldfish Embarrassed They are stunning the way they are!

One tip! If you only have one or two fish and you have something like tubifex that comes in cubes which is far to big for such a small number of fish, I found a handy way of feeding suitable amounts  Smiley
I have found the best way to feed Lucky this yummy snack, is to dip the lid slightly in the tank so it gets a little bit of water. Grab one of the cubes and break a little bit off. I then soak it in the lid, breaking it into 2 or 3 smaller pieces as it gets wet.

Now with tubifex being worms, the smaller pieces will disperse the minute you stick them in the tank, so what I've found useful is to pick up the small pieces and roll them around on your fingers so they form a little ball. So if you do this with each smaller piece you will get 2 or 3 little balls of tubifex that you can then feed from your fingers, or drop into the tank for them to chase Cheesy

Feed one piece at a time though and give the little guys chance to eat it, I know Lucky swims around the tank chewing for ages before she'll be interested in coming up to me for another piece Wink
Then when she's eaten it, I dry the lid on a towel I have near the aquarium and pop it back on the container all dry  Cheesy
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2011, 04:35:59 PM »

Toad face or "Frog face" are both Chinese names of bubble eyes/celestials, so these are already existing breeds, just with new names Smiley The Telescope Oranda has also existed for quite a while, but I don't find them particularly charming, I think it's a bit of "overkill" to breed goldfish that have several mutated parts on the head this way :/ Pom pom Orandas still work since it's pretty cute with the nasal bouquets on them Smiley

Skwishee: I noticed that when Tubifex has been soaked once, and the cubes dry (it's even enough with a drop on them) they will turn out very hard and dense. So it's actually easier to feed tubifex by just breaking off the amount of pieces you want to feed, I usually break them into mouth-sized pieces, quickly soak them in a cup (sometimes squeezing the air out of them with a chopstick) just so that they'll stay just below the surface. This way they'll soften and spread slower and the fish will manage to eat them before they spread allover the tank.
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #38 on: November 20, 2011, 12:33:22 PM »

How do you break them into pieces without stuff going everywhere? Or am I mis-understanding and you mean you soak the cube, let it dry and THEN break a piece off for the fish?
I had to roll it into balls otherwise it just dispersed too quickly and Lucky has a terrible habit of chasing something and then losing interest as soon as it hits the gravel XD Or she'll spend ages chewing on something and the rest just falls around her like some sort of food confetti.

With the tubifex she'll take a piece from my hand and just swim to the side of the tank and chew away while she looks at the wall! And I'm stood there for what feels like ages, waiting for her to finish so I can give her the next piece XD
Haha she is so funny, such a leisurely fish doing everything at her own pace Cheesy
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2011, 04:43:19 AM »

I just take the cube, and break off a piece, I wouldn't suggest that anyone would have dried up but already soaked cubes laying around in their tubifex jar, not particularly good for the food Smiley I wrote it a bit unclearly, but it's a bad thing that the cubes get so hard, it will just make them harder to eat for the goldfish even when they are soaked. My baby pearl scale had some troubles eating those previously wettened cubes.

Maybe it's enough with one piece for her if she's taking long to chew them? That means that they're either too big, or too dense. (I've had teeny-tiny baby goldfish gulping down two pieces at once before they'd start struggling with the chewing).
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2011, 05:55:19 AM »

Yeah maybe your right Noss, she doesn't struggle with eating them, just takes a minute or two, I imagine rolling them up into a ball must make it quite dense, but I can't think of any other way around it, without getting tubifex every where!
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #41 on: November 21, 2011, 05:59:35 AM »

If it works for you, it works! Smiley There's nothing more to it Smiley

This thread is about sharing our tips, rather than forcing others to follow them, so don't you worry Wink
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #42 on: November 21, 2011, 10:45:29 PM »

its nice to see we all have similar thoughts about the boggly eyed fish.... and on the subject of tubifex, I cut off a square from the cube, soak it in a small measuring cup of tankwater, then when it has absorbed the water, rub it beween my fingers in the tank to disperse it, my fish are foragers, so when they have finished swimming about getting all the bits n pieces, they spend the next hour or so going over the bottom of the tank for any bits they missed... and I know what you mean about chewing tubifex Skwishee, if they get a big bit they do stop and chew it for a while, Bowie pulls a bit of a funny face while chewing, it's something I dont see that often, usually they just gobble it all down... cheers all
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #43 on: November 25, 2011, 03:20:47 AM »

Varied diet

 - this is as important for your fish as it is for humans. Feeding the same food all the time leads to deficiencies that can cause ill health. You should feed your fish a good quality flake or pellet food as the main part of their diet, this should be regularly supplemented with fresh food such as bloodworm, daphnia or brineshrimp, which are available frozen and live.

 Many fish will also eat many types of vegetables, such as peas and sweetcorn (which should be squeezed out of the skin as it is indigestible) tomato, lettuce (not iceberg, as this is also indigestible), courgette, carrots and potato are also good, but should be either boiled for a few seconds to soften slightly or frozen, then defrosted, which will do the same thing.

 You can grow some live food yourself in your garden by putting a plastic bucket or bin out to collect rain water, in a couple of weeks you will get daphnia living in it, and in the warmer weather, mosquito larvae, which you can collect with a fine mesh net.

Feed your fish what they can eat in about 2-3 minutes, to give you an idea, fishes stomachs are about the same size as their eyes.

 Small fish do better being fed small amounts a couple of times a day, larger fish can be fed more in one go, but should be fed less often.

 Very large fish should only be fed once every few days!

 You should not overfeed your fish, as this can cause digestion problems, and will just pollute your tank with uneaten food or excess waste.

Most fish will also benefit from not being fed once every couple of weeks.

The above is from an excellent British site on Fish Keeping

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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #44 on: November 25, 2011, 03:45:58 AM »

I took the varied diet for granted, for the moment, I have this idea that everyone who keeps goldfish knows that they should be feeding veggies and live foods every once in a while which isn't the case.
Good thing you mentioned it, scrivens! Smiley
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #45 on: November 25, 2011, 04:53:32 AM »

This cross-breeding malarkey sounds intriguing . Does anyone know which characteristics are dominant ,  and which are recessive?
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #46 on: November 27, 2011, 04:18:40 PM »

I think that the eye-enhancement part is pretty weak in most goldfish, considering the fact that even if you breed two telescopes, some of the offspring may come out as fantails/butterflies. And if you cross-breed a telescope with anything else, but a fraction of the fry will have protruding eyes (whereas some will end up with one normal and one telescope eye).

Which sort of brings me to the conclusion that it might be hard to breed celestials and bubble eyes as well. Considering that the genetic code must know that it's a disadvantage for the fish to have changed eyes this way.

Other than that I don't know too much about goldfish breeding or genetics, tried to find some books on it but none are available on the topic around here Sad
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #47 on: November 28, 2011, 05:22:47 PM »

Really interesting point you being up about the genetic code "knowing" a disadvantageous trait. But im wrestling with whether that's entirely true or if its more natural selection that knows a disadvantage. I like this stimulation for my brain hahaha. I think genetics is soo cool but I've never exactly studied it too in depth, hence the curiosity (:
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #48 on: November 29, 2011, 05:33:06 AM »

Yeah, could be a mix of both?? Smiley
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #49 on: November 29, 2011, 06:38:38 AM »

Okay I know its a bit late for talking about moors. But my black moor will follow my taping on the tank but it scares the other fish away.
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2011, 07:47:45 AM »

That's interesting behaviour Fantailer, perhaps your Moor likes the sound or vibrations in the water from the tapping?

As for genetics XD I had enough of that in biology! I could even tell you *if I look at my notes from class at my parents house* how genes are made  Cheesy At least... I think I learned that? All I remember from Biology these days are random bits about plants and how Cows have 4 stomachs the Omasum, Abomasum, Reticulum and... dang I forgot the last one XD
But you guys have me interested too, I like learning about fish, maybe we could have a science thread?
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #51 on: November 30, 2011, 07:22:50 PM »

oh man i don't remembe either lol
better study up hehe
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #52 on: December 01, 2011, 05:41:50 AM »

I remembered it in the middle of the night, Rumen, Reticulum, Omasum and Abomasum  Cheesy
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #53 on: December 14, 2011, 03:25:38 PM »

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Skwishee
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2012, 12:24:00 PM »

Another tip for removing water! As I have just discovered having to empty my big tank!

Ever get bored stood around waiting for buckets to fill?
Just slide the tube underneath the handle and if positioned right, it will stay neatly in place  Cheesy
Simple Wink Just make sure you don't get forget about it and it over flows!
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #55 on: January 11, 2012, 01:45:04 PM »

I'm usually busy cleaning the gravel allover my tank, I honestly never have time to just stand around and watch it empty xD
But it's a nice idea! The mop bucket is still my favorite though c:
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #56 on: January 11, 2012, 03:30:38 PM »

Haha yes the mop bucket is the saviour of the day  Grin

I also think I'll need a bigger gravel cleaner anyway, as the gravel is slightly bigger, in some cases with the slightly larger bits of gravel about 1 piece will fit in it! I will just be there for an age with the small one.
May as well keep the small one to use on the snail tank and get a new one for Lucky's tank  Cheesy

I am also debating if it would be possible to create a cone of plastic, to attach on to the end of the small gravel cleaner once I have suction going, so I can suck up areas of poo and avoid sucking up my snails! Their tank is going to be bare bottom, so I can just hone in on mucky areas and eggs with a nozzle. At least that's the plan!
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #57 on: January 12, 2012, 04:42:40 AM »

You could also just use the hose, as in, take off the cylinder completely, this way it's a bit more accurate and easier to control Smiley
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #58 on: January 12, 2012, 05:21:15 AM »

The hose by itself? That's a great idea, so get suction going and pop the cleaner part off?
I have no idea how I'd get suction going on a hose alone, without having to go mouth to mouth with it XD (Something I'd rather avoid doing!)
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Re: Tell us, or show us your tips for fishkeeping...
« Reply #59 on: January 12, 2012, 02:21:33 PM »

Yeah! Smiley I usually just fill the hose in the tap though, blocking each end with my thumbs, and then place one end in a bucket and the other in the tank (not necessarily that order), let go and let gravity do the rest Grin
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