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Summer Time
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transfer into new tank
« on: August 07, 2010, 10:06:28 AM »

I read this quote from Mindemae, under the "sick shubinkin" topic:

"Taking a fish from a small polluted environment to all of a sudden a clean environment can cause them to go into shock.  People think they are doing their fish a favor by dumping them into a bigger tank but the water chemistry must be the same in both environments for the fish to be able to cope with the transition alright.  Adding water from the old tank to the new tank, doing daily small water changes and adding clean water gradually to the new tank is the best way to avoid shock."

I am setting up a 10-gallon tank for my daughter's goldfish (Captain), who has been living in a 2-gallon tank.  He's healthy, but I know this is like living in a closet, so I want to get him into a cycled 10-gallon tank.  She is afraid to do this herself as she has had him for about 6 years and loves him very much.

What is the best way to transfer him into the new tank?  Should I do a fishless cycling process, then put him in?  Or should I take his 2-gallons of tank water, pour it into the 10-gallon tank, add fresh water, and put him in, then monitor the cycling while he's in the tank?

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Re: transfer into new tank
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2010, 06:50:22 PM »

I would move him to the 10 gallon as soon as possible.  The larger water volume will give you a lot more flexibility.

Put fresh conditioned water into the new tank and adjust the temperature so it's about the same as the temperature in the 2 gallon, then transfer all the water, gravel, and filter material to the new 10 gallon.  The new tank may go through a mini-cycle or even skip it altogether if there is enough beneficial bacterial from the old tank.  Monitor the water parameters carefully for a few weeks to make sure everything is fine.

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Re: transfer into new tank
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2010, 07:08:58 PM »

I agree with nabi.

The steps how I would do it though are the following.
Get a plastic container, air pump and airstone, fill it with the tankwater of the 2 gallon tank, put the fish in, fill the rest of the water out of the tank.

Quickly set the 10 gallon up, use the gravel as nabi said, add a few live plants, install the filter, airstone, fill it with fresh but conditioned water. Add plenty of beneficial bacteria: like "Stability" from Seachem. It is meant to avoid the "new tank syndrome". Adjust pH and temp so it matches the other tank water so there is no shock for the fish. And introduce fishie to his/her new home

Keep us updated how the move went Wink
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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2010, 08:29:39 PM »

Thanks to both of you.  What would I do without people like you.  Smiley   Your advice is so helpful, and I'm grateful that you monitor this forum.

I can pick up the "Stability" tomorrow, and will get it set up and transfer him over the next couple of days.  I'll update you as it progresses.  Hopefully with all good news.

Thanks  Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2010, 09:05:21 PM »

Hi Hanna, I am having a hard time understanding this part of your steps:

"fill the rest of the water out of the tank."

Do you mean to pour some old water into the new 10-gallon tank?
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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2010, 06:28:14 AM »

Yes, using old water from an already cycled system is a really great way to help the cycling process! Smiley I did it everytime so far!

Oh, and in case you're worrying about shocking your fish, you could move him with a plastic bag (like when you buy a new fish!). Put the bag (with old tank water) into the new tank, and let him get used to the temp. After about half an hour you could pour in a cup of water from the new system and let him out after repeating the process about 2-3 times Smiley That way, you can be sure that he'll be getting used to the water safely!
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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2010, 06:45:55 AM »

 Grin LOL, yes Summer Time, sorry my brain didn't work to well while typing... pour old tankwater into the new tank, that's correct Wink
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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2010, 02:21:50 PM »

Hi, I'm ready to do these steps today, but the 2-gallon's water quality is extremely poor.  So I just took about 1 ounce of it and put that into the new tank and started the filter.

Captain is still in the poor water, but I diluted it with some fresh water.  He's fine, but he must be a really tough fish. 

I am on my way to the store to pick up some live plants and "Stability".

Should I still follow the steps that you both have outlined, or does the fact that the water quality is really poord change it?

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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2010, 02:27:41 PM »

One more thing... the 2-gallon tank has never been cycled, it's always been a dump and scrub.
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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2010, 03:52:04 PM »

How is the water quality? How are the exact readings?

If there is nitrogens then I wouldn't use it, but I'd use some filter media to speed up the cycle and add PLENTY of Stability into the new water. The bacteria will settle in the filter and substrate.
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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2010, 04:19:44 PM »

Hanna: Nitrogen in water also helps the tank cycle. It's the same thing as adding fish foods to an empty tank, only that it's already dissolved d: So that wouldn't be any kind of problem to use water from the old tank. Like mentioned in some other posts, I've used the technique myself few times, and my tanks cycled really fast Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2010, 05:39:57 PM »

All the test readings are lousy.  Exactly opposite of what they should be.  Nitrites and nitrates really high.  Hardness, alkalinity, and pH are low.

My regular tap water has optimal conditions.  It's pretty hard, alkalinity about 180, pH about 7.8.

So maybe I should keep changing a portion of his 2 gallon tank, at least until the hardness, alkalinity, and pH are closer to normal.

I have read that if they are living in high nitrates, and you put them in low nitrates, that the shock will hurt them.  So not sure what to do with that.
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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2010, 03:29:15 AM »

The bigger problem is that nitrates are affecting the immune system negatively. And if you're worried about this, you could either do it with the bag, like I described earlier, or you could do an 80% water change about two days before you move the fish. That way, the difference between the nitrate levels will be smoother and go more gradually Smiley You set up that new tank already, right?
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2010, 08:12:33 PM »

I set up the new tank yesterday.  I put 1 ounce of the poor water into the new tank, and the recommended dose of 'Stability' to aid in avoiding new tank syndrome.  I also conditioned the water for chlorine as usual. 

The 'Stability' bottle says to add some every day for 7 days, so I will be doing that.  I can add the fish at any time tho.

Today I moved 1 small decoration from the old tank into the new tank. 

Captain is still in the old tank.  He is honestly doing fine; he must have some really strong anti-bodies.  I am also changing out part of the old tank water and filling it with fresh water to bring the pH levels and alkalinity back to normal, etc..  I have done this water change 3 times since yesterday afternoon.  I tested the old water again today, and the levels are much safer.  The alkalinity is still too low.  The other readings are back in the safe zone.

I am trying to be really careful here.  I still need you guys to help me, if you have advice.  But even though the new tank is more spacious and prettier, this fish is still very healthy and I don't think it's critical that he be moved right away.  I'd rather take a little time (maybe another day or two) just to be 100% sure that this is going to be a successful move.

On the other hand, he IS used to being dumped out of a dirty tank, and put into completely fresh water about once a month (for 6 years), so maybe he's used to it.

I don't know.  Maybe I'm trying to make it too perfect?  I am kind of nervous tho.  My daughter's out of town, so this is completely up to me. 

She won this fish at the fish races while she was in college (not that I condone that), and he was the champion of the night.  He won about 4 races that night.   Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2010, 08:16:14 PM »

When I move him, I am going to use the bag method that Nossie described earlier.
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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2010, 03:42:07 AM »

Sounds good so far! Smiley And I agree, if you can keep the levels in the old tank somewhat acceptable, it's better to wait a bit with moving the fish. Just so that the new tank will get as far as it can in the cycle. So just keep doing what you're doing, keep an eye on the water quality in both tanks, and keep doing small water changes in the 2 gal.
As far as I know, the biggest shock for your fish would be the difference in pH, fish react on just one level's difference, so the bag method might help him get used to it more gradually.

It's cool that he has survived in such a small place for 6 years! That's quite impressive Wink
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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2010, 04:28:46 AM »

I agree with Nossie.
But you ar doing extra well.
We moved our fishies after about 5 days after we set up the tank, we couldn't leave them much longer in the small tank.

Keep us informed, please, how things are going Wink
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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2010, 09:37:58 PM »

Hi.  I couldn't wait any more, Captain is in his new home!  The pH and alkalinity were closely matched between the 2 tanks. 

I did a combination of everything listed in this post.  I didn't float a bag because the temperatures were the same.  But I did something similar:  I filled a plastic container with 1/2 old water, and 1/2 new tank water, and let him swim around in there for 1/2 hour.

Then I put all of that container into the new tank.

He's having fun exploring and showing off in front of me.  Smiley

If there are problems with the water differences, will they show up right away?  Or could it take a few days?
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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2010, 11:34:43 AM »

They would show right away, fish use to display stressful behaviors if they're not comfortable with their water. For example, hovering by the surface, darting fast around the tank (over and over and over.. and over again), or scratching themselves on the decorations. So if he seems happy, he probably is Smiley

Now all you need to do is to keep an eye on the ammonia and nitrite levels and do about 50% water changes whenever they get too high Wink
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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2010, 01:24:08 PM »

Wow, well done Summer Time, cannot say much more than Nossie did, only asking you: can you post pics ? Grin

... sorry... but I love pics... Wink
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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2010, 07:39:05 PM »

Hi.  Here are a few pictures of Orchid (comet) and Shamrock (shubunkin).  Orchid is the one I lost to tail rot (or something).  I had her for 2 years; won her with the ping pong ball at a carnival.  Smiley

They really loved each other.  When Orchid was getting weaker and I put my face by the tank, Shamrock poked her twice in the tail to make her get up and see me.  Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2010, 12:11:13 AM »

Awww aren't they beautiful, just so sorry for Orchid  Cry
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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2010, 02:54:22 AM »

Naww! Really beautiful fish Smiley I'm really sorry about Orchid :C
I'm actually quite haunted myself by the memory of my poor golden Oranda, I bought him too late! He was so very sick when I got him home, but that was the one I wanted so... why would I get another fish? :C
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« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2010, 10:50:57 PM »

That's really cool that you buy sick fish and help them get well. 

My daughter's fish is doing very well in his new tank.  There was a slight ammonia reading when I tested, so I did a water change. 


My daughter is now wondering... since she's had this fish for about 6 years and he's always lived alone, could she get another goldfish, or would he have problems with another fish in his tank?
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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2010, 03:29:18 AM »

He would enjoy company very much! Smiley But since he lives in a 10 gallon, you can't fit any more goldfish in it, unfortunately. If you really want to buy him a friend, you need a 20 or 30 gallon. (For more goldies, give 10 per fish) But for now, he'll have to be alone, since the tank is fully stocked already.

I actually bought two orandas this spring, and they were both swimming in a weird manner, because they were both constipated. Which I of course, didn't notice until I brought them home d: But with peas and worms in their diet, they loosened up a bit! Cheesy And they got much more active after a while Smiley Nowadays they're among the craziest fish in my bunch d:
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« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2010, 07:03:44 PM »

Hi.  This tank is now completely cycled, as of yesterday.  That's means it only took about 3 weeks!  Probably because of the 'Stability'.

Thanks for everyone's input.  He is loving his new home; I'm sure he's already forgotten his old one.  Smiley
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« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2010, 08:55:21 PM »

So good to hear that Wink

Keep us updatet how he's doing please
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« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2010, 02:30:42 AM »

I'm glad everything went so well! Cheesy I bet he'll be very happy in his new place Smiley
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