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cheri_alexander
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Tiny community tank.
« on: February 02, 2012, 10:26:05 PM »

Some months ago I purchased a crowntail betta for my two year old to keep in her room. Well she doesn't really like Hot Noodle very much, apparently he is boring and "not a real fish". I've decided to move him into a spare ten gallon tank and add some tank mates and lots of lives plants. I've been doing a bit of research and although I initially wanted African Dwarf frogs I have since learned they are not compatible with betta. We're going to get shrimp and snails. I have read that cories and kuhli loaches do well...but that loach kind of freaks me out. Are there any catfish/sucker type fish that would do well? Anyone have experience keeping betta in a community tank? I am pretty excited about setting up yet another tank. I hope I can keep a variety of plants, all the types my goldies eat or dig up. I'm sure I'll have some pictures to post soon.
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Re: Tiny community tank.
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2012, 11:32:25 PM »

Do you have a male or female betta? Male bettas tend to be territorial and hostile to other male bettas, and other fish might nip on their long flowy fins. If your betta is a female, you could try keeping her in a "Female Betta Sorority" where she could be kept with other female bettas. The females would eventually start a pecking order with a dominant female, but a female betta sorority all depends on your certain betta's personality and the bettas' reaction to each other. Betta Sororities are best when there are at least 3 bettas to establish a pecking order.

I have heard ghost shrimp do fine with most fish because they tend to stick to the bottom of the tank and they look translucent. But in my opinion, they look kinda scary.
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cheri_alexander
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Re: Tiny community tank.
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2012, 12:00:40 AM »

I have a male, and of course I know how aggressive they are but according to the research I've done they don't seem to mind "inconspicuous bottom dwellers". I'm going to do more research before I decide what kind of shrimp to get, unfortunetly I have to choose drab colors so as not to upset Hot Noodle. Thanks for the response, when I bought Hot Noodle I wanted a female but my LFS doesn't usually stock them.
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Re: Tiny community tank.
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2012, 04:13:07 AM »

I've heard of someone keeping corys successfully with bettas, I'd suggest going that route Smiley It may still eat the shrimp, since bettas are hardcore carnivores.
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Re: Tiny community tank.
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2012, 05:16:55 AM »

There are some nice shrimp at Petco. Some 2 inch bamboo shrimp.
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Re: Tiny community tank.
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2012, 10:20:30 AM »

I have found a link that has a list and description of fish that get along well with bettas. (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.) .
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Re: Tiny community tank.
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2012, 11:17:59 AM »

Thanks sparkly. That list has much more interesting fish.
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Re: Tiny community tank.
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2012, 02:40:19 PM »

All the reserach I've done speaks of bettas "tolerating" other species. Nowhere does it say that it improves their life in any way. I decided to "allow my daughter" to redo Noodle's tank (which means she picked things out and watched) instead of buying him friends. He is still in his 3.5 but now has lots of live plants, a snazzy background and a more natural ornament. BUT the idea of a tropical community tank had taken over my mind. Today I went out and bought a 15 gallon since it was so cheap and I can house a few extra fish, we set it up with tons and tons of plants (I wish I were better at aquascaping). I put in four mystery snails (I had no idea how cute and active these guys are!) which according to my research barely, barely contribute to bioload. I took a look at ghost shrimp but yeah, as sparkly said- they're scary. According to the LFS employee, who actually seemed pretty knowledgable, I can have 6 tetra, 4-6 mollies or platys and no more than three cories. These seems like A LOT of fish. Some online guidelines agree with this and some have fewer fish. I have 150gph right now (established filter). I'm going to head back later and pick up the fish. Here are a couple of pics.
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Re: Tiny community tank.
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2012, 03:29:22 PM »

Make sure you've got a tight fitting lid with those snails, they are very good escape artists Wink
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Re: Tiny community tank.
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2012, 04:05:03 PM »

 Shocked  They escape!!?? Can they squeeze by the filter?? There is about 1/4" open around the filter....
Doing tons of last minute research, no corys as they need an acid P.H. I want some kind of catfishy/pleco thing even though I'll have to upgrade as it grows. (I am already imagining how awesome a 55 gallon tropical tank would be.. Roll Eyes ) According to aqadvisor.com the tank would be a wee bit overstocked with a pleco or bristlenose but they also say I have way more filtration then I need so now I'm debating. I would also be doing weekly changes unless someone tells me this is a "no-no" for tropicals...

edit- You can tell I am a newb with snails: I assumed they were hungry and wanted to feed them-as there are four snails I broke an algae wafrer into four pieces and gave it to them. They found the pieces and sat on them for about two hours during which time I assumed they were, you know, consuming them. Now they are "done" and the wafer bits appear unchanged. Lesson learned, snails eat very very little.
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Re: Tiny community tank.
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2012, 03:32:08 AM »

Mine never did, My tank had only three open corners, two out of which were clogged with hosing for the filters Wink
I think a pair of bristlenoses would be fine in your tank, from what I've seen over the years, they don't make much of a mess at all, and since you have such powerful filtration for that tank, you should definitely get them Smiley They would be keeping it nice and tidy! Tropicals tend to leave some food otherwise since they don't go looking for it like goldfish do Smiley
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Re: Tiny community tank.
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2012, 06:46:08 AM »

On the subject of snails, two days ago I gave my little guys a slice of courgette/zuchinni and they are still eating at it! It is so cute, as they just gang pile on whatever veg I happen to put in Cheesy So don't worry if they spend ages eating Cheri.... I'm debating on getting apple snails maybe some day....

I'm not sure on the water changes for tropical, I think, it's once every 2 weeks? But do double check this, I am not 100% sure.

With Betta's all I know about those in community tanks, is to add them last Smiley Otherwise they establish too much territory, I believe?

Looking forward to the pictures Grin
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Re: Tiny community tank.
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2012, 10:18:35 AM »

here's a pic of two of my guys doing what comes naturally

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Re: Tiny community tank.
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2012, 10:53:59 PM »

Ack! That's what mine are doing! I thought the big one was trying to eat/kill the baby!

Is this pleco going to starve? We have no algae yet though I'm trying to grow some and the little guy wont eat wafers, in fact he wont leave the wall or the driftwood, doesn't seem very bright. I'm concerned he hasn't eaten at all in the three days I've had him.
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Re: Tiny community tank.
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2012, 12:25:34 AM »

All plecos are nocturnal, so most will only come out when the light is turned off or extremely dim.  Don't worry about it starving .  It can take a few days or weeks for the pleco to feel safe in its new tank, which is the reason why you see it squeezing itself behind the filter intake or inside or between the driftwood.  Plecos will also feed on leftover flakes and other fish food.  If the pleco is really small, you can break the algae wafer in half and drop it in the tank when the light goes out for the pleco to eat. 
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Re: Tiny community tank.
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2012, 05:32:33 AM »

I believe pleco's can also eat some veg, like courgette/zuchinni, maybe you could give that a go as well Cheri?
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Re: Tiny community tank.
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2012, 10:26:15 AM »

Thanks Nabi, I broke up the wafer last night and spread it around a bit.
Swishkee- I'll try zucchini too. Thanks.
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Re: Tiny community tank.
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2012, 05:41:54 PM »

One Platy disappeared. Just completley gone, no trace! Otherwise they seem to be doing ok. I'm still getting used to them...they are so shy compared to my goldies. I am rethinking having a larger tropical tank, it's pretty but I don't love them like my other fish.
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Re: Tiny community tank.
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2012, 05:54:28 AM »

One dissapeared? Oh my, perhaps his just really good at hiding?
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Re: Tiny community tank.
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2012, 05:32:04 PM »

 When you decide to set up a huge tropical community tank, you could try getting a group of otocinclus catfish. They have cute puppy dog eyes and are similar to plecos when it comes to eating algae. (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

I also think it's kinda funny when otos try to school on the sides of your aquarium. Sometimes they school, and it looks like they're on a mission to clean your tank!
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Re: Tiny community tank.
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2012, 07:06:51 AM »

My pleco loves broccoli!
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Re: Tiny community tank.
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2012, 06:54:32 PM »

Adios tropicals! I found them a good home today. They just weren't for me. The tank was pretty but I'll stick to goldies. And my four snails turned in 27 snails in 20 days (at least thats how many I found and removed before salting the tank).
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Re: Tiny community tank.
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2012, 04:14:10 AM »

Aw fair enough Cheri  Smiley

I'm surprised your snails bred so much?! You could probably sell them if you have any left Grin
I've never heard of apple snails breeding so much XD
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Re: Tiny community tank.
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2012, 01:19:27 PM »

they will breed if you leave them room above the water to lay their eggs...lowering the temperature,  and filling the tank higher will stop them taking over  Grin
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