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jordon.chynna
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Goldfish hoovering
« on: February 16, 2012, 07:45:40 AM »

Wondering if it's worth hoovering my 30 gallon every day and just taking out one bucket of water? Also, how do you make a salt bath? For a small oranda, I have aqualibrium aquarium salt which I would think would be better than normal salt?
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Re: Goldfish hoovering
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2012, 10:03:04 AM »

I honestly think sea salt, with it's trace minerals is the best, but chemically salt is salt, as long as is pure with no anti-caking ingredients in it. Canning salt is very fine, easy to disolve and usually a bit cheaper.

So when you are thinking of a salt bath, what are you trying to do? Parasites, or something?
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jordon.chynna
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Re: Goldfish hoovering
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2012, 10:30:17 AM »

It seems like parasites but I think internal.. but his fins are ragged and I'm just hoping that it might help anyway. I have aquarium salt already, but should I just use normal table salt instead then?
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jordon.chynna
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Re: Goldfish hoovering
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2012, 10:57:51 AM »

pH somewhere between 7.2 and 7.6, nitrites 0 nitrate 10.. is this acceptable?
Because I thought so.. Ammonia looks to be very slightly at stress level at 0.5 but I did a water change yesterday?
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scrivens345
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Re: Goldfish hoovering
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2012, 11:48:35 AM »

PLEASE DON'T use table salt as it may well contain iodides
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Re: Goldfish hoovering
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2012, 04:21:06 AM »

It doesn't matter if you did a water change yesterday, sometimes the parameters can appear without warning.
This is why it's important to test regularly Smiley Especially if an aquarium is a new set up.

If ammonia is 0.5ppm you should do another water change, a large water change of around 70-80% should help get the ammonia down.

If you think the fish has parasites, can you actually see them? The only invisible parasites that I know about are flukes, usually you should be able to see something on the fish, to know it's a parasite your dealing with.
Only so far, I've not heard of any parasites being internal?

If you think it's an internal infection, you will need to treat this with medicine. But please be absolutley sure about what illness you are dealing with before treating it. Diagnose Twice and Treat Once.

In some cases when people don't know what the illness is or what's causing it, they start to chuck in medicine, thinking it will help, when actually this can make the problem worse. As medicine can affect the water quality.

You mentioned in another post the fish was being picked on by the others, so could it be possible that his fins are ragged from them bullying?

This website may help (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)
It explains possible illness, with symptoms a fish shows, I hope it helps.
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jordon.chynna
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Re: Goldfish hoovering
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2012, 10:27:15 AM »

It's not a new set up, been six months or more. All happy healthy fish, constantly picking and very responsive..

That's my problem, I can never decide if they are ill or if it is something that will pass. Introduced a new fish and suddenly all of their poop was very long and sometimes white. Spook seems much better now, I think the fantail I have gotten rid of must have been harrassing him. Need someone to adopt the other little red and white fantail, Candle, too, really Sad going to have to bring our stocking right down. Pumpkin the Ryukin was the original and he's growing brilliantly - we had him in a 15 Litre tank at first, until we did our research! My birthday present then became the 30 gallon that we have now, ha Smiley

Candle is in the top left corner of that picture..
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Skwishee
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Re: Goldfish hoovering
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2012, 06:14:00 AM »

You probably already know this, but;
If the fish seem ill or slightly off Always test the water quality first.
If the water quality is 0ppm for Ammonia and Nitrite and under 40ppm for Nitrate, then you know it's something else.

Usually if I'm un sure on something, I just do a little research Smiley
Look for what other symptoms the fish should be displaying with the suspected illness and taking it from there.
It's good that you care so much about them Smiley

Sometimes with an illness you are un sure of, it is better to wait and see how things go Smiley
For example my goldfish Lucky, one day I noticed veins in her tail and I panicked. I thought she could have a bacterial infection, what if she's haemorhagging somewhere? Someone else mentioned it could be a sign impending fin rot.

The water quality was fine, so I knew it wasn't that and I kept a close eye on her, waiting for something to happen so I'd know what illness I was dealing with. And you know what? Nothing happened.
She wasn't ill. The veins in her tail never got worse, fin rot certainly never showed up and she never had any other symptoms to indicate a bacterial infection, she was perfectly happy and healthy, the veins weren't anything to worry about. I kept an eye on her for 20 days, just to make sure it was nothing serious.
So if she had of been ill, I would have known about it.

So sometimes if you are un sure if the fish is ill, as it seems to be acting healthy, it can be appropriate to wait and see. If the fish is ill, you will certainly find out and if it's nothing to worry about, you'll know that too Smiley
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jordon.chynna
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Re: Goldfish hoovering
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2012, 09:20:13 AM »

Well you're right, thankfully they are all acting fine again now that the other fantail has gone, especially Spook! Need to stop jumping at every little thing and expecting something to be wrong. Thankyou for the advice, I'll still keep an eye incase it does turn into anything but for the moment everything is fine! Smiley

Oh I'm a research maniac when it comes to my fish, Jordon gets sick of seeing all the tabs open on the computer with Goldfish this and Oranda that, ha.
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Re: Goldfish hoovering
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2012, 10:26:34 AM »

Slightly torn fins or stringy poo generally means the fish aren't comfortable, and since your tank is a tad small for all those fish, no wonder Wink All you have to do is keep up the water changes until you'll be able to find a bigger tank Smiley

And never use table salt, get some sea salt. It's cheap and readily available in any grocery store Smiley
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jordon.chynna
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Re: Goldfish hoovering
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2012, 10:32:11 AM »

I have aquarium salt at the minute..
ah right just thought it was weird because it happened as soon as I brought that fish in. I'm just going to have to decide which two I can part with I guess
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