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hansnaughty
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Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« on: May 28, 2012, 09:34:46 PM »

This is our resident goldfish. Bought it when 1in. Now about 8in. and growing! Can anyone tell what kind of Goldfish and If male or female? Thanks,guys!!
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Nossie
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2012, 03:31:10 AM »

Hard to tell if it has a single or a double tail. My first guess is that it's a common goldfish.
And there's no way for us to gender it from a blurry photo Smiley You can find that out yourself in case she would lay eggs or he would get little white bumps on his gill covers and pectoral fins Smiley
You could also tell  by looking at the vent, but that's really hard... your safest bet is the breeding tubercles or eggs!
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2012, 06:35:07 AM »

   

Its a rectangular 10 Gallon Tank With Petco 20 Gal capacity outside filter.Also an undergravel filter.
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2012, 06:36:54 AM »

Thanks for the Info!!
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2012, 06:47:11 AM »

10 gallon tank

Does it even have room to turn around ?

multiply you tank size by ten, and you will have a suitable home for this fish
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Skwishee
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2012, 08:09:27 AM »

It does look like a common goldfish... I can't really see the anal vent properly to say if it's a girl or boy..... however hansnaughty, common goldfish because of their size, are much better suited to ponds or very large tanks, so they can exercise properly and it also helps with regards to water quality as sometimes in a confined space waste can build up to toxic levels.

Would it be at all possible for you to sort out a large tank or possibly even a pond? I have a thread put together about housing common goldfish so please take a look - (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2012, 02:25:08 PM »

Before I set up my 10 gal tank I researched what I needed and found that for 1 goldfish a 10 gal was adequate.  I also, spoke with many fish departments in the local pet stores and they also agree since I only have 1 goldfish.  There is plenty of aeration & more than enough filtration along with regular water changes up to 2x per week if not more often.  Ziggy is very happy and content.  He is robust very active and loves to be hand fed and pet.  I am happy with your concern however, I have a very happy and healthy Ziggy who is loved very much.  The tank he was photographed in was just the tank I use when cleaning his regular tank.

Many thanks,
Ziggy's best friend
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2012, 02:40:44 PM »

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Before I set up my 10 gal tank I researched what I needed and found that for 1 goldfish a 10 gal was adequate.  I also, spoke with many fish departments in the local pet stores and they also agree since I only have 1 goldfish.  There is plenty of aeration & more than enough filtration along with regular water changes up to 2x per week if not more often.  Ziggy is very happy and content.  He is robust very active and loves to be hand fed and pet.  I am happy with your concern however, I have a very happy and healthy Ziggy who is loved very much.  The tank he was photographed in was just the tank I use when cleaning his regular tank.

Many thanks,
Ziggy's best friend
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR WRONG WRONG  WRONG

THAT GOLDFISH NEEDS A TANK OF AT LEAST 4_FOOT LENGTH.(preferably  6ft, ideally a pond)..........Anything less is , quite frankly, animal cruelty..your local fish store is (as usual) talking out the back of its arse

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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2012, 03:19:07 PM »

Hi hansnaughty, I can see that your fish is well cared for.

Whilst I understand common advice of 10 gallons/40 litres, being the suggested minimum tank size for a goldfish, with the stocking rule normally quoting 20 gallons for the first fish and then 10 gallons for each additional fish. This is supposedly what's 'adequate' but I would use it for stocking fancy goldfish, not the single tailed variety like our commons.

May I ask how old and how big Ziggy is? When did you first carry out research?
I ask because fish keeping and the information available to us has changed over the years.

If you take a look at the link I showed you, about the post I made about commons, it mentions a stocking rule that I am currently trying to follow for my own common goldfish, which is having a tank that is 6x the length of the fish, as my goldfish Lucky is only around 3 inches, she currently lives in a 3 foot tank and will be upgraded to a pond once she has reached 6 inches.
This rule I feel applies to goldfish because as you know, they are very active! The more space to swim, the better!
Have you ever considered the possibility of having a pond and some friends for Ziggy?  Smiley

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So please take a look Smiley
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2012, 04:15:24 PM »

10 gallons per fish is only useful when calculating tank volume for fancy goldfish in a tank of 30+ gallons. The absolute minimum for a single goldfish is 20 gallons and for common goldfish it needs to be a lot bigger, as already mentioned: At least 4 feet long.
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2012, 06:09:05 AM »

Holy conoly scrivens! Are you okay!!
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2012, 06:53:39 AM »

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Holy conoly scrivens! Are you okay!!
I just get annoyed when people join this forum seeking validation rather than advice Huh
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2012, 02:45:23 AM »

Well, pretty sure we won't be seeing this one again... Wink
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2012, 06:23:11 AM »

Hope fully they wont leave.
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Skwishee
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2012, 01:46:26 PM »

I too hope hansnaughty comes back Smiley
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2012, 04:01:42 PM »

I have 17 goldfish in an old baked bean can, will it be Ok to add an Oskar? If you say no, I'll sulk and tell you tou're wrong, so there! Shocked
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2012, 03:08:30 AM »

Haha oh Scrivens  Cheesy We still don't know when hansnaughty did his/her research, so it could have been when 40 litres was acceptable for keeping a goldfish. Judging by the size of the fish it must be quite old?

It is unfortunate though when we have people come here, who then don't listen. But at the end of the day when they come to a fish forum, where the fish keepers care for their live stock, they aren't always going to hear what they want to hear  Undecided It's a fact of life that you aren't always going to hear what you want to hear.
But what's worse is when the owners then preside to put their hands over their ears and run off, I very nearly did the same thing in all honesty when I first joined, but it was more through shock of 'holy cowfish I need a tank that size?!' I asked for advice in other places and did my own research which is how I learned Smiley perhaps we should encourage people to refresh or do their own research? As sometimes it feel's like they just won't listen to us, but if they found things out on their own? Hmmm....

Hansnaughty please let us know how Ziggy is doing!
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2012, 09:32:55 AM »

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I have 17 goldfish in an old baked bean can, will it be Ok to add an Oskar? If you say no, I'll sulk and tell you tou're wrong, so there! Shocked

Ha ha. I have an extra large baked been can if needed.
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2012, 11:13:13 AM »

Pff. I think everyone should simply strive to know as much as they can about things they're interested in. I mean, why get an animal that you don't even care about?
It would be much like me getting a lizard (no offense lizard-owners!), I'm not interested in them, so I wouldn't bother with research and would most likely end up making the poor thing really miserable. None of us would enjoy that.

I also think that you shouldn't be getting all cranky and feel offended when someone says "you're wrong, sorry but you need to change this and that", in such a nice way as you people do! When I joined this forum I actually was treated pretty harshly because of the small tank I had. Particularly one member was acting all angry with me, but luckily for my fish that helped me learn and motivated me to take better care of them. Much like Skwishee I guess Smiley
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2012, 11:40:58 AM »

much like us all, if truth be told, Nossie

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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2012, 01:19:57 PM »

Most likely Smiley Sometimes all you need is a wake-up call! And ain't nothing that does that better than feeling guilty...
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2012, 03:55:11 PM »

Yes guilt is not fun, but I think if you learn from the mistakes, then it's not so bad.
Star did not die in vein, because I learnt better and now Lucky will hopefully have a nice long life! She's grown a little quite recently, which makes me happy too, I do still wish Star was with us though, but I suppose we all think that about our fish Smiley

Another thought I had: There are people who keep fish and then there are fish keepers!
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2012, 04:05:38 PM »

nah! I keep water..the fish are a bonus Cheesy
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2012, 04:12:51 PM »

Haha, maybe we should call ourselves 'Water Keepers' instead? Wink
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2012, 06:50:02 AM »

Yay we could have a cheer!
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2012, 11:30:04 AM »

Yeah well, we do care for the water and the water care for the fish... Wink

I think this huge water change really helped my fish, they all seem much more active compared to before. They started getting a little bit slow and lazy despite the weekly water changes.</useless blabbering>
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2012, 05:20:47 AM »

Nossie I don't really want to hijack this thread but do you know why my fish could be stressed after a 505 water change?
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2012, 05:26:01 AM »

^^ sudden change in parameters mayhap? 'spect they'll settle down
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2012, 05:27:43 AM »

Okay good thanks scrivens.
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Re: Trying to find out what type of Goldfish this is and the gender
« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2012, 06:50:11 AM »

505 water change means what? : D Like a bigger than usual or...? In any case, Scrivens answered it more or less Smiley Have you checked the pH though? Is the temperature like it should?
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