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April
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*update : Ammo Lock - how do I reduced high ammonia reading?
« on: October 25, 2010, 04:06:41 AM »

Hi everyone, I am very happy to share the news that my tank is now reading ZERO nitrites Smiley

Ammonia is testing around 2.0 after using Ammo Lock. I understand the high reading will remain even though the actual toxic ammonia has been rendered non-toxic now. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can reduce these numbers without tampering too much with the newly cycled tank? Have any of you used this product? For what it is worth, knowing now that the fresh water I was adding was highly contaminated with nitrites, I am grateful to have had a product do what it was supposed to do and protect my fish while everything sorts itself out.

My fish is looking very well but I want to make sure these non toxic levels don't have even the slightest hints of toxic ammonia. Nitrates read as 10ppm this morning which is considerably lower than they were a week ago around 50 ppm. My pH is back up to 7.0 and I'm continuing with extra aeration with bubble stones. Do I need to replace the carbon filter eventually in order to remove the Ammo Lock I added to the tank? Turns out this tank is only 10 gallons so I must purchase a larger one asap so Mr. Tailer has more breathing room. Hopefully this week I can get one Smiley
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2010, 04:16:39 AM »

I have no experience with ammo lock and after all the stuff I have read about it well I don't think I'd like to use it. It is giving you a false reading of ammonia just so you know so your ammonia may not be what it says and I'm not sure how long it actually lasts.

You just have to let the tank cycle, perform water changes once a week and keep a close eye on Mr.Tailer. When my tank went through a mini cycle after adding my fish, I only did about 60% water changes once a week an it quickly sorted it self out.

Let it settle, I'd stop using the ammo lock but keep a close eye on your fish without worrying too much!
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2010, 05:04:12 AM »

I don't like Ammo lock either because it confuses me....
I use this new chemical from Graham who developed it here in Australia it is called Supa Chlor  ( or Superchlor ), but it also removes Ammonia, not only chlorine and chloramine, but also hydrated lime and heavy metals.

To get Ammonia down is with waterchanges, less feeding, adding beneficial bacteria every day for at least one week and keep pH at 7.0..... see the thread RELATION Ammonia-pH in Health and Illness.

And of course for Goldfish the bigger the tank, the better. Also very good filtration and aeration, like bubble stones. Fishies love this extra spa bath, lol  Wink

April, you're doing the right thing, you are a good fishy mummy too Wink
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2010, 05:16:44 AM »

I still don't understand ph and I'm not even going to touch it because I know how bad ph fluctuations are! But how is one meant to maintain a ph of 7.0?? Without forever fighting it get it down (or up) to that therefore meaning fluctuations?
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2010, 05:24:34 AM »

I use those neutralizer blocks, they dissolve slowly in the water and keep the pH around 7.0 and stable. It is like a buffer. Wink
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2010, 07:26:08 AM »

Everybody got it covered: Water changes, test the water, stop using ammolock Smiley

How big tank are you aiming for? Will you get a 20-30 gallon and a friend for him? Wink
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2010, 08:38:33 AM »

I agree totally!  I don't like ammonia blockers they still will show a false reading.  Small water changes like 10% every other day is the only way to get rid of the ammonia block.  Sounds like your tanks is starting to cycle.  That's great news! Smiley
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2010, 06:14:55 PM »

Yay I'm a good fish M♥M! Thank you all for your great advice. I will change out maybe half a gallon every day, add more beneficial bacteria and of course stop using the ammo lock. It is clear though that I need a much larger tank and will be shopping for one on Wednesday. Hoping to get one at least 35 gallons and a strong filter to handle a greater cleaning load. Anyone here ever tried one of those Marineland Eclipse kits with the bio wheel and filtration built into the back? I'm told they work well but I'd like to hear from any of you pro's first!

I will be having to cycle a greater amount of water but hopefully I can seed the new tank with substrate from Mr. Tailers current bachelor apartment Wink and yes Nossie he will indeed be getting at least one friend as soon as all is set up. I figure I will go slow and one at a time to insure there is no mess ups. Regarding the pH you mentioned Andrea, I noticed when I added a small amount of salt to my tank a few days ago that the level dropped half a point. However, I do not know if it is wise to use salt in this manner to control pH levels...

I was wrong to suggest using salt to control pH so please disregard that comment Smiley and thank you Hanna for the heads up Smiley
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2010, 07:05:21 PM »

The bio-wheel is popular.  I've never had one.  My sister had something with a wheel in the filter, not sure if it was a bio-wheel by Marine land.  The wheel clogged up while she was out of town and it shut down the eco-system so she came home to dead fish.
I'm an Aqueon gal.  Have been for years LOVE their products.  I have an aqueon filter in every tank.  The gph is great and it makes cycling a snap! Smiley
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2010, 09:42:48 PM »

I also want to add that I also LOVE my Fluval filter by Hagen.
It's a canister external filter and I have it for my 75 g tank.
But because my tank is a bit overcrowded, I also have the aqueon 55  on that tank too.
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2010, 02:39:51 AM »

I'm using an external canister filter from Eheim, really good! And contains like 6 liters of filter media Cheesy Never gets dirty either Wink Maybe because my fish are so small Smiley I combine this with a Fluval 4 filter, the biggest in the series. The Eheim filter is for tanks up to 158 gallons, and the Fluval is enough for a tank that is about 56 gallons. My tank's pretty long, that's why I use two filters to get the surface moving! xD It's good to try and find a filter that's pumping 5-10 times your tank volume per hour Smiley

The gravel should work wonders when you're cycling the new tank! Like mentioned, mine was ready in 12 days just because 1/5 of the gravel was from the old system! Smiley And I used beneficial bacteria like a psycho. Remember that, it's a very good thing to use for your fish!! And later, make sure you have only Mr. Tailer in the new tank for a few weeks so that it can cycle in peace, otherwise the immature filter system may get overwhelmed by the waste from one-two more fish Smiley
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2010, 06:20:19 AM »

Please do not use salt to control pH. Remember our Goldfish ar freshwater fish. Salt should only be used as a treatment or sometimes as a tonic.

I mentioned it in other posts that I use pH Neutralizer blocks, they keep your pH at 7.0-7.2.
If your pH is (much) higher than that, lower it only very, very slowly.
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2010, 01:36:21 AM »

I added a note to my comment regarding the use of salt and to NOT use it to control pH. Thanks Hanna Smiley In other news, the false ammonia levels are dropping slowly with water changes and Mr. Tailer approves - cheeky little fish  Grin
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2010, 01:39:54 AM »

And many thanks for your filter suggestions too Cool I am going to a huge fish store tomorrow I hope and I'm bringing plastic LOL!
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2010, 02:27:44 AM »

Yay! Cheesy What kind of decorations do you want in the new tank? Smiley
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2010, 04:06:23 PM »

Sorry for the late reply Nossie. The tank is up and running. I've placed 2 plastic plants in it already and will be getting some real as well. I did however see lots of snails in the store tanks where they keep their plants for sale. I don't want to bring home those and have to deal with random outbreaks of snail babies! Tested water last night and so far these are the results.
Ammonia = 0.25
Nitrites = 0.3
Nitrates = 10

I am curious is, when would it be safe to add Mr. Tailer to the new tank? The cycling product says to add certain amounts on the 1st, 7th and 14th day. So I guess it will have to be at least after 2 weeks wouldn't it?

The results for the 10 gallon are as follows:
Ammonia = 1.75 (screwed up because of high lime deposits in my tap water and by using ammo lock )
Nitrites = 0.0
Nitrates = 15
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2010, 04:38:15 PM »

Keep testing. How is your pH. If it is about 7.0-7.2 Ammonia ia less toxic.

Did you get STABILITY  and PRIME ? Adding this one according to bottle instructions you should be safe to move Mr. Tailer soon.
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2010, 10:41:39 PM »

Keep testing and don't add Mr. Tailer until ammonia and nitrites are at zero!! Never before! Keep up with the beneficial bacteria and remember to keep a close eye on Mr. Tailer once you add him because there will probably be a mini cycle.

It took about 3 weeks for mine to cycle I think  Undecided
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2010, 11:08:35 PM »

I will test the pH again tomorrow Hanna but I think the 10 gallon tank (the one he is in currently) has completed cycling even with that ammonia reading. He is not showing any signs of red streaking in his fins or tail but he has that darned patch of fungus flaring again. I could pull my hair out! I'm not adding anything to the tank as all the slime that was on the tank walls has not grown back so leaving it alone. No more melafix or pimafix either. I will at some point be heading to an area that has natural spring water flowing right out of the mountain and loading up as much as I can carry. Of course I will test it first when I'm there so it's not a waste of time. Andrea should I be adding more cycle every day or go by the books. Will the readings level off on their own or will my fish be aiding in that by being in the tank and producing waste? Sorry for the mini novels I write, I am not this way when speaking LOL.
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2010, 05:13:42 AM »

It took me 12 days to cycle my 83 gal, and I had added a few of my fish already after... two days I think. All my fish did great Smiley And the ammonia NEVER reached anywhere above 0.25. I was changing water once every week and added fluid bio filter media Smiley

It's like this, while your tank is cycling without fish, there isn't the same constant production of ammonia, so when you add the fish, there might be a few days with higher levels of nitrogen present, but it shouldn't be harmful...

I think it could be good if you follow the description of use on the bottle of the product when it comes to adding beneficial bacteria. I've tried brands that should be added once a week, even when you're not changing the water, and others that are added only during water changes, as far as I know, everything worked fine, so just follow whatever says on the bottle Smiley

Maybe you'd want to do something about his fungus though? You know that the longer you leave an infection alone, the more severe it gets Undecided Add one of those meds, was it pimafix against fungus?
But that of course, ONLY if it actually looks like fungus to you. If it's light and hairy-looking, it's probably fungus, but otherwise.... no.
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2010, 06:20:06 AM »

I only can emphasize my believe in using Stability, Prime and Purigen. If you can get i there in Canada, wich I am positive that you can, I'd get it asap, use those ones and you can move Mr. Tailer, there shouldn't be any problem.

When I set up the big tank 3 months ago, after one week I had all five fishies in there, no problems, tested the water, did water changes accordingly and all was fine Smiley
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2010, 04:57:35 PM »

I remember you said that Nossie about your big tank, that's awesome! I feel the same about the fungal issue but am leery about messing with the tank. It is very minor but I'm not happy about it. Can you sometimes see the tiny veins in the tail fins of goldfish? I took another reading today and here's the scoop: pH is 7.5, nitrites is 0, nitrates is 15, ammonia must be 0 if nitrites are 0 right? however it gave a false reading of 2.0

I checked the stores and will be picking up all of these products on Wednesday Hanna as it's the only time I can get a ride to the store. So looking forward to seeing my wee little pudge muffin Mr. Tailer swimming in his new condo! Yay!!! It is great that you were able to get your babies transferred over to the big tank in just a week!
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2010, 01:48:37 PM »

I was totally surprised, there I was, testing the water every day and being all liek "EY! WHERE'S THE AMMONIA?! D8"
But no, I haven't noticed any veins in my fishes' tails... *goes to check just in case* nope, not even on the white one Smiley But don't worry! I've seen pics of rather healthy fish with slightly visible veins, they should go away at some point when the water quality stabilizes Smiley
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2010, 02:56:47 PM »

LOL 'where's the ammonia!' Thanks for looking into the tail veins thingy Nossie, I do believe he will heal up nicely in time. Well tested water again this morning and it is down to 1.5 ammonia in Mr. Tailer's 10 gallon. And he grew a little bit more this past week  Shocked so the timing of the new big tank will be right to get him into it after it completes cycling. High nitrites coming in around 1.0 now in the 27 gallon so it seems we're right on track. Discovered a thin coating on the surface of new tank as water movement wasn't breaking it up. I adjusted the spray bar to hit it directly and now it is really churning away! Also, added a small air stone to aid in really moving more of it around since it is a deeper tank. All debris (looked like household dust) was sucked up into the canister filter and water is crystal clear. I have to be honest with you fine ladies...I'm almost losing sleep in the anticipation and dreaming of seeing my big boy exploring his new environment. I totally understand the giddy feelings some have mentioned in the past as the transfer comes ever closer Cheesy This is like a drug I tells ya! I have to go put the winter insulating plastic on some windows now it's getting chilly at night! Have a wicked good day Wink
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2010, 04:02:54 PM »

I know the feeling so well!! I was going nuts just thinking about setting up my new tank Smiley (I was actually pretty hyper already about the 8 gallon I got for birthday last year) It's just so much fun to see how the fish are enjoying themselves in their new home! Smiley
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2010, 01:40:45 AM »

Latest ammonia in 10 gallon is reading 0.5 and I am very happy, it has just taken that long to thin out thru water changes. Added some of the gravel from the 10 gallon to the 27 gallon tonight. Hoping it will aid even more to the bottled cycling added. At this point the 27 gallon has 0.25 ammonia, 0.8 nitrites, 25 nitrates. Seems as it is chugging along nicely. Maybe another week and we'll be ready *crossing fingers* The temp in the 27 is hovering around 71 degrees. Might be considerably cooler as winter sets in so def getting a heater. I guarantee there will be a virtual play-by-play of the big event Cheesy
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2010, 06:27:04 AM »

Wonderful!! Smiley Just wait 'til the ammonia will be gone and he should be safe to move! Smiley
You just reminded me that I should start installing my heater soon too c:
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Re: Ammo Lock - how do I reduce high ammonia reading?
« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2010, 01:06:34 AM »

2 words good forum peeps...ZERO AMMONIA! It has taken close to a month for any remnant of that ammo lock fiasco to finally be removed from Mr. Tailer's tank.  Adding a second mini power filter did the job with it's new charcoal insert.

Is it a new heater Nossie? I have been eye-balling the Marineland Stealth Pro submersible 100 watt heater.

New tank had 3rd and final start up addition of liquid bio matter added today. Ammonia reads 0.25, Nitrates 30 to 40. Didn't do a Nitrite test as I only have enough for one more and waiting to use it when ammonia shows up 0. Might be a good time to start adding some live plants with the higher nitrate readings...
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Re: *update : Ammo Lock - how do I reduced high ammonia reading?
« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2010, 02:58:50 AM »

Hah, to be honest, I'm not too excited about my heater, I got it along with the tank, and it's a pretty miserable brand, so I don't expect it to last too long xD

Congrats on the ammonia!! Smiley And on the progress with the new tank! Smiley
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Re: *update : Ammo Lock - how do I reduced high ammonia reading?
« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2010, 06:57:07 AM »

This is wonderfull news April.

Yes, I'd add plants as soon as you are able to. ( I set up our tanks, completely with plants and let them cycle )
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