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veiltalegirl
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Veiltale Goldfish
« on: August 19, 2010, 01:32:34 PM »

I've attached a pic of my veiltale, Hannah.  I would be interested in starting  discussion on health and behavior of this (IMHO) most interesting of all goldfish.  I've posted under "comments" for the Veiltale subcategory, too.
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2010, 04:01:00 AM »

This doesn't look like a veiltail to me. A veiltail goldfish has extremely elongated fins, all fins, and the tail is split, but not forked and hangs along with the fish like a curtain.

If you ask me, I'd say that this is a common fantail. And a common fantail (and veiltails for that matter) are the same as other goldfish varieties, same requirements and habits.
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2010, 09:16:22 AM »

Thanks for the reply. I'm a poor photographer!  I will put up more pics later today. I hope you will give them a look and a review!
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2010, 09:57:12 PM »

OK...so here are a few more pictures of Hannah. Please note that her caudal is split all the
way down. I took a few pics from different angles...she seemed to like the flash...crazy, I know...

Anyway, I still would like to discuss behavior if anyone else is interested.
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish - more pics
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2010, 10:02:32 PM »

sorry I didn't attache these other views..still learning about this board...
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2010, 03:41:47 AM »

It's still a common fantail.

This is a veiltail:
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Now, what about the behavior you want to discuss?
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2010, 03:34:24 PM »

Hi Veiltalegirl,

WELCOME to our community.

As I do keep comets I do not know very much about identifying other varieties of goldfish, especially if details are involved.
But either way, veiltail or fantail, your Hannah is such a beautiful and gorgeous fish.
Welcome to discuss behaviour, as this shoud be much the same with any goldfish, except the swimming speed Wink

 Grin Nice to hear a lovely goldfish name is the same like mine, even if spelled a little different Grin haha
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2010, 12:25:31 AM »

Thanks, Hanna!

Well, I've had my Hannah for over a year now and she's very social.  She will eat off of my finger, always greets me at the glass when I enter the room where her tank is - so sweet.  I would like to know if it is possible to train her to do a trick?  If so, what kind? 

From what I've also read, her "picking at and spitting" the gravel in her tank is typical behavior, as well as her laying eggs twice this past Spring.   What other actions should I look for?

Thanks,  Veiltalegirl

PS: I've attached another pic of Miss H.  I think you can see her opalescent scales in this one, as well as her tail.
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2010, 12:31:07 AM »

To Karma:

Maybe it is "wishful thinking", but I still think that my Hannah looks a whole lot like this pic I've attached here - body type, shape of caudals, body, etc... And, I got this pic from this website.

Thanks for posting the pic. I've found this to be a strain of of the breed in Japan.
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2010, 04:26:44 AM »

She is a gorgeous fish Smiley I don't much about the specific details of goldfish types either, but to me it looks more like a fan tail. I had one that looked sort of similar. However maybe it could be a mix between two different types? We believe that my fish Sunshine is a mix between a comet and common goldfish, as she has the shape of a comet but more of a tail like a common. So maybe that is what is happening with Hannah. I love her little patch.
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2010, 07:45:01 PM »

Thanks, Andrea!  Hannah was solid white except for 1 tiny spot of gold on her lower, left caudal. As she matured, this pretty gold color developed and covered her belly - like she has a little bikini bottom on  Smiley

One of her behaviors is gulping water and air at the top of the tank. I've read that this is like "gasping for air". So at first I was worried. However, her tank is well-airated, I test the water for ammonia, nitrates, nitrites, etc... at least once a week and they're all fine... Any ideas?

Anyone?  Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance!

put up a pic of 'Comet' if u can.
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2010, 01:33:37 AM »

I don't know about tricks to teach them, but I love watching what they're doing:
When I cook meals in the kitchen ( the tank is in our open plan kitchen-living area ) especially Hepsiba swims down to the bottom and wiggles like mad at me when I turn around and approch her, so do the others, but Hepsi the most. Hubby and me are wondering that she hasn't got the "gravel-rash" on her belly yet, LOL Grin

All suck and spit the gravel, again Hepsiba: she also turns her head and spits it out in a way that it lands 5 cm away from where she is digging, haha
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2010, 01:39:29 AM »

they also love to swim in and around my hands when I maintain the AQ
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2010, 06:38:01 AM »

Haha that's soo cute Hanna and your fishies are so bright Smiley As much as I love goldfish especially my Sunshine touching them or them touching me sorta freaks me out. So I don't like that to happen though of course it has, it is quite cute Tongue
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2010, 07:17:26 AM »

Yes, it is sort of "freaky" ticklish when they nibble on my arms and fingers, I got used to it and I love it, but I never really touch them, as I don't want to mess with their slime coat.
While  the AQ uncovered ( during maintenance ) I also put a bit of food in my hands and let them eat it out of my palm, this is soooooo cute  Grin
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2010, 08:34:52 AM »

Hanna: I just noticed how much they've grown! Shocked Wow!!

(Btw, my new tank is set up and running Wink Pics will come once I buy some more plants Smiley)
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2010, 01:49:23 PM »

Yes, THANKS Nossie,  Grin

it is good comparison against my hand, lol Cheesy

And guess what hubby and me did.....us fishcrazy peeps... LOL

We decided to skip the 20 l tank, keep it as a quarantine one and we bought a complete set with stand, another AquaOne but 140 l for the tropicals. It is a package deal for AU$600 which is about EUR 350.
Those AquaOne are complete with light and filter and filter media, also the package included 20kg gravel, thermostat, DVD, thermometer, water conditioner, beneficial bacteria, fishnet, pH test kit with pHUp and pHDown
We are giving it a speed cycle with water from the other ones and some substrate and plants from the other ones.
In a couple of weekends the pet shop will have a special on fish: buy 2 and get number 3 for free... heheheee Grin
buying the tank package we also got a $ 50 gift-voucher, we'll use it on the fishies
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2010, 01:52:55 PM »

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(Btw, my new tank is set up and running Wink Pics will come once I buy some more plants Smiley)

... this means that you moved, how did it go? Cannot wait to see your pics Grin
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2010, 02:18:39 PM »


One of her behaviors is gulping water and air at the top of the tank. I've read that this is like "gasping for air". So at first I was worried. However, her tank is well-airated, I test the water for ammonia, nitrates, nitrites, etc... at least once a week and they're all fine... Any ideas?


It could be something innocuous, but just in case keep an eye out for small (I'm talking pin-head sized) white lumps appearing on her fins and/or gill covers. Gasping for breath is a classic sign of Ich, or Whitespot. This is a very common fish ailment, but is surprisingly difficult to treat. If she starts to rest on the bottom, that's another sign, as well as attempting to scratch along the substrate or plants, known as flashing.

Treatments include gradually heating the water, then adding formalin/specially formulated copper solution/malachite green; you'll  need to treat the entire tank, and any tanks your fish may have been in.

Don't feel bad; getting ich is practically a rite of passage. I can't think of a single fish person I've met over the years who hasn't encountered this.

Of course, I could just be a hypochondriac Grin
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2010, 01:36:08 AM »

Hanna: You lucky person!! Shocked Wish I could afford something like that! I'd love to keep some cichlids Smiley Hey, show pics when it's up Wink
And yes, we moved last Sunday! I only didn't have access to comp or internet for the whole week, so I couldn't really spread the word Tongue Pics should be up sometime next week! But not until I'll have the plants ready Wink

Veiltalegirl: In case it is ich, don't treat it with formalin, even if it'll kill the parasites easily, it'll be an enormous source of stress for your fish! There are lots of remedies available in the shops, including medical aquarium salt. Try that instead! Especially since you don't know much about treating a sick fish.
But if I was you, I'd look closely on the fish's gills. Could be some parasites on them or some infection. Maybe even flukes! So if they have any other color than a healthy red tone, you should get to work.
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2010, 05:06:22 AM »

don't treat it with formalin, even if it'll kill the parasites easily, it'll be an enormous source of stress for your fish!

Yeah, I probably should have clarified that  Grin Formalin's like a last ditch effort when all else has failed. With your case (if there is a case) stick with the aquarium salts (can't believe I forgot that little cure-all), malachite green, and copper. It should say on the bottle how much medication you put in considering the size of the tank.

Ach, flukes. Hate them. Never had them with my fish but the idea is just AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.



Apparently there's a fish form of Tuberculosis. Now all I can think about is a fish version of Moulin Rouge. WE SHOULD BE LOVEEEEERS~
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2010, 12:57:32 AM »

Thanks to everyone for the advice. I did suspect ich (I did find a few white dots on her tail) and treated Hannah for it with Tetra Lifeguard tablets (5 days). Then on day #6, I did a 25% water change. All of this took place last week,
and so far, so good! Cheesy

Hannah is not showing the 'gulping air' behavior and I think her activity level has gone back to her normal level.

Here's my next question: will this happen again? how can I avoid this? (fyi - Hannah is an "only fish" in a 10 gal. tank)

Is there a type of food I should consider? (I alternate between Aqueon flakes for Goldfish and Tetra Goldfish Crisps - I am very careful not to over feed her.  I did try 2 shelled peas once - she really liked them, too)
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2010, 02:21:22 AM »

Since you have the tank properly stocked, the one and simplest thing on the world is left to do:
- Keep an eye on the water quality, test it every week before the water change, and change at least 50% of the water each time. (And of course, if the nitrates are past or close to 40ppm, change more.) This is how you avoid every possible fish disease, by regular water changes and by keeping the water quality as good as possible!

For her, since she's still probably young, it would be great to introduce some more protein to her diet Smiley There is a LOAD of different live foods available in the shop! Frozen, freeze-dried or in gel (like cat food, lol). I have a jar of freeze-dried blood worms and one with fd tubifex. But there are also different shrimp available, such as krill and brine shrimp but also many other kinds of food. Blood worms contain most protein, so that would be a good thing to start with Smiley You can choose if you want them frozen or freeze-dried! If you feed anything frozen to your fish, remember to only thaw the amount you'll feed and keep the rest in the freezer. Otherwise it might go bad.
I also have this funny pack of small gel-filled bags... called Tetra Natura Brine Shrimp Mix (I've also seen a blood worm mix and some plankton and algae something). I use to feed my fish half a bag and close it with some tape and give the other half next day Smiley It's soft food in gel, and my fish love it! You could try getting yourself something like that, it's always nice for the fish to get some fresh food from time to time Smiley

Feed her the peas more often! Try at least once a week Wink It's very good for her digestive tract and will prevent swim bladder problems Smiley
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2010, 11:37:02 PM »

Nossie, 
      Thanks so very much for the food/dietary information!  Smiley I have seen the frozen shrimp in the WalMart near my home, and I've always got peas in the freezer, too. I'm going to start her with the peas (2, shelled) tomorrow - we will make it the "Tuesday Blue-Plate Special" going forward. Then, have "Shrimp Fry-Friday". I'll let you know how it goes. (fyi, Hannah is only 18 months old. She was 1/2" when I got her, and now measures 3 1/2" - not including caudals).

I do test the tank water every week - so far, so good. The nitrites, nitrates, ammonia, etc... are all within the "safe" ranges.

I really appreciate your help and information.  Again, thanks...Veiltalegirl  Grin
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2010, 11:38:34 PM »

message to Hanna....I really enjoyed seeing the all pictures of your goldfish. thanks for posting them.
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2010, 02:19:48 AM »

It's safer to buy your fresh foods in the pet shop. Like shrimp, unless you're absolutely sure that there's no salt on them!
Go look for some blood worms or something else freeze-dried too Smiley They're rather cheap, considering how long they last d:
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2010, 05:01:36 AM »

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message to Hanna....I really enjoyed seeing the all pictures of your goldfish. thanks for posting them.

THANK YOU VEILTAILGIRL,
as you know it is so lovely to keep fishies, especially Goldfish develop very special characters.
And it is lovely to meet a Goldfish named Hannah, she's a very beautiful girl and sure you will have as much joy with her as we have. Wink

According to feeding, Nossie covered it.
But you can try the following too: watermelon, strawberries, orange pulp, broccoli.

I also bought small algae wafers ( size of a smal half pea ) geez they are crazy after them things.. and hahaha... I mentioned in another post but I mention it here too, they behaved that crazy and played with each other so my hubby asked me: Han, are you sure this it not v.i.a.g.r.a for fish? Grin
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2010, 07:25:01 PM »

Hi VTGirl,
Your fish, Hannah is beautiful.  Her fins are gorgeous!!
I have to agree with Nossie that she is a fantail and not a veiltail tho.

Hanna,
Those are some great pictures of your fish by your hand!  Did you have any food in it?
Bobbi, Thor and Blueberry are so friendly and let me pet them and pat them.  They are just big old aqua-puppies! Grin
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2010, 04:51:39 AM »

Bwahaha, AQUA PUPPIES, this is so lovely. You are right,  Cheesy.
 Our Goldies they come into my hands with and without food, such a big "circus" every time I clean the tank... they are always around and in my hands... LOL
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Re: Veiltale Goldfish
« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2010, 06:38:22 AM »

Mindemae: Hey, how old are your orandas by now? Smiley Are they still growing? Cheesy

Hanna: I just remembered! Did I tell you about the big comet I saw lately? He seems like someone abandoned him :'c Poor thing :'c He's at least 20cm long, and he's all red but he's so old that some scales are a bit pale, like on mom's fantail Cheesy
Another fish I wish I could take care of :''c Or you! Cheesy
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