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gwenblack72
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Question about lose of scales
« on: October 17, 2011, 09:53:08 AM »

Okay Cadillac is loosing some scales, I have read that this could be normal or due to stress or sickness. He is also, swimming at a 45 degree angle, I have noticed that he has been stressed since I got him. He isn't eating like he was, & I have tried giving him peas to help him, but it obvious he doesn't like them. The water parameters goes as follows GH 0   KH 40  PH 6.5  NO2 0.5    NO3 0-20 Ammonia 0.25  Temp 76 Gallons 55  I have been doing water changes everyday 25% the ammonia level was really high yesterday well its was above 1 but lower than 2. He has lost more than three or four I would have to say he has lost close to 15-20 scales, he is fairly big, much bigger that Lucky was. I will post pic here seeing that I can't post any where else for some strange reason. Oh yeah his color has faded as well could this be because of the PH level?
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gwenblack72
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Re: Question about lose of scales
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2011, 10:07:23 AM »

 Okay maybe I should have posted the side he has lost most of the scale. If you enlarge the pic you can see he does have blood streaks on the top & bottom of his tail fin. I know for a fact Iam not going to flip out this time, I am taking this is stress cause he was healthy when I got him.
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Re: Question about lose of scales
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2011, 03:55:13 PM »

Hey Gwen, sorry to hear about Cadillac! He is such a beauty!

Am I right in thinking that this tank is a new set up? So hasn't fully cycled?
If this is the case, then yes the fish will be stressed with the presence of ammonia and nitrites in the tank, but doing daily water changes will help with that.
Plus with nitrates on the rise, that will mean ammonia and nitrite should hit 0ppm soon.

As for blood streaks, it could be due to stress, caused by the current water quality. The blood streaks should clear up once the water sorts itself out and is clear of ammonia and nitrite.
With scale loss, from what the others here have told me, fish lose scales by just knocking into things or they can sometimes lose a few, due to a parameter spike.

I'm not sure about swimming at an odd angle? Is he just checking out the gravel when doing this or just as he generally swims?
Could be something to do with his swim bladder?

Sorry I couldn't give anymore detailed help, I'm still learning myself as well! Best of luck though, I hope he gets better soon!
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Re: Question about lose of scales
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2011, 03:58:23 PM »

You could try feeding him other veggies: cucumbers seeds and pulp only, carrots boiled, lettuce, spinach, zuchini don't know much about this but you could ask Nossie or someone more knowlegdable. But NEVER FEED CORN. 

Sorry don't mean to yell. Tongue
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gwenblack72
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Re: Question about lose of scales
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2011, 10:11:26 PM »

LOL Fantailer yes I do know not to give any fish corn, even the ones are fishing for Cheesy I may get kicked out for that one, but I do fish, but I catch & release if not eating. Skwishie thanks for the info, very helpful, & yes the TANKS are still cycling, I will be ssssooooo glad when they finish their cycling. My back is killing me from changing all this water for the tanks. So, is it wise to add PH Up or PH Down if needed, or is it just not good for the fish at all? I have noticed that cadillac has lost most of his scales only on one side, & maybe 1 on the other side, so I am taking this he has rubbed them off. He is doing much better, but looks kinda ragged on that one side, he still isn't eating like he was, so I will try some other type of veggie, I know he doesn't like carrots either. I have some zuccinni I will try that instead, maybe he will like that, I know that at the pet store they only fed him shrimp brine, but he isn't eating that either. Thank You Grin
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Re: Question about lose of scales
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2011, 03:15:09 AM »

How high is the pH usually in your tanks? Did it maybe drop to 6.5 recently? If so, yes you could add some baking soda or other pH-raising agent. If not, don't touch it, just change half of the water now, if you see he's acting strange, that usually helps Smiley

I'm sure he'll like the zucchini, mine love it Wink And they don't really like any other veggies than that and peas Cheesy

But since his dorsal fin is up, he should still be safe, just try to feed him as nutritious food as possible (lots of veggies and live foods) and try to change about 50% every time you notice anything off with the water parameters or his behavior.
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gwenblack72
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Re: Question about lose of scales
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2011, 05:20:18 PM »

Thank you Nossie yes PH did drop even to 6.0 but got it back up to 6.5, I haven't checked it today. Cadillac is suspended now, & not laying on the bottom, he doesn't like zuccinni either, he must be a shrimp kinda fish.  Roll Eyes I will keep trying to find out his kind of veggie he likes.
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Ron H
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Re: Question about lose of scales
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2011, 05:48:58 AM »

hey Gwen, Im not sure if you do this but when you do your water changes (and especially while the tank is cycling, they dont need any more stress), make sure you match the PH of the new water, to the PH of the existing  tank water... if you dont do this the fish will often will go sluggish or even the opposite and start flashing about, they dont like sudden PH changes... here's hoping Cadillac will be ok... cheers
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Re: Question about lose of scales
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2011, 02:16:16 PM »

I agree with Ron, they're extra sensitive while the tank cycles, and if you noticed an obvious pH drop, do try to do something about that!
Most of the commercial pH enhancers change it one step up or down, depending on which one you buy. It's of course never healthy for the fish to be in fluctuating pH, it has a pretty huge impact on them and their bodies, so change it carefully!
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gwenblack72
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Re: Question about lose of scales
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2011, 10:20:43 PM »

Ron thanks for pointing that out, makes alot of sense, never really thought about it. I will make sure I will start checking that from here on out. The nitrites & nitrates went up, day before yesterday, but they went back down with water change. Nossie so slowly gradually add PH up or down, not to change it drastically. Cadillac has been doing really well the last couple of days, so I am relieved, & happy he is feeling better. Since the nitrates & nitrites went up does that mean tank is almost finished its cycle? It has been running for about 3 weeks now, so wiping the sweat from my brow hoping so. Wink That means I only have 2 more tanks to go through the cycle stages, but they are doing really good on parameters.
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Re: Question about lose of scales
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2011, 02:47:55 AM »

Yes, it most likely is Smiley A nitrite spike happens in all cycling systems, so it's actually a good sign in some cases Smiley
A water change will bring it down Smiley Are you intending to add any more comets or maybe shubunkins with Cadillac? Smiley
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Re: Question about lose of scales
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2011, 12:53:36 AM »

your welcome Gwen... happy to hear Cadillac is a bit better, cheers.
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gwenblack72
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Re: Question about lose of scales
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2011, 01:02:01 AM »

 Nossie I have a Comet in there with him, that would be Hot Wheels (my fiance named these two)  Lips sealed I have another Comet (Sunshine) in a quarantine tank right now, with a Ryunkin (Squishy), & they are getting along great. I really don't want to seperate Squishy & Sunshine since they have done so well together, & seem best of friends. I got Hot Wheels as a tank mate for Cadillac, I thought he may have been depressed or lonely. I do want a Shubunkin for my 55, but until I know Cadillac is sound, I don't want to add anymore fish. Hot wheels is doing great, he is swimming all around the tank, but Cadillac just isn't doing so great, he seems to be trying to jump out of the tank. I honestly don't see how he hasn't knocked himself out yet!? Cadillac is staying only in one corner of the tank, & will not explore other parts of the tank, so I am thinking that I got a sick fish. He is loosing scales again, & isn't eating again, he kind of seems to be having convulsions, but Hot wheels is totally fine. I have kept a close eye on the parameters of the tank checking them 2 time a day. I done a 50% water change cause the Nitrites are at a 1, & the nitrites only came down for a short time, to a .5. So actually I have been testing the water as much as 3 times a day, when I first get up, then about mid day, & at night. All I know to do is keep changing the water till these nitrites are under control.  Undecided
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gwenblack72
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Re: Question about lose of scales
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2011, 01:25:34 AM »

Thanks Ron Cheesy While I was typing to post you posted as well. I took your advice Ron & checked the Ph of the water I was putting into the aquarium, & they are very close. Nossie, I went back & looked at the General forum & read again the processing of the Nitrogen cycling. From what you posted I believe Cadillac is suffering from Nitrite piosoning (if I am saying this right) I have added the amount of salt back into the water that has been taken out everytime I have done a water change. So, this crazy country girl is actually learning from you guys (I Hope Wink ) I am trying very hard not to hender anyone, but everyone does such a great job, of helping!!
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Re: Question about lose of scales
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2011, 02:14:44 AM »

hey Gwen forgot to say a big well done on giving the retired greyhound a home, there are so many that need it... sorry I cant help much more with advice, getting beyond my level of expertise, hopefully it will all get sorted here... cheers
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Re: Question about lose of scales
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2011, 01:32:15 PM »

That's good to hear Smiley
But in cases of these water quality "poisonings", there usually isn't much to do except changing the water, however I'm pretty sure the salt will work Smiley You probably saw that it's used to protect fish when there's a nitrite spike in the tank... Smiley
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