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Katarine
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water is cloudy question :S
« on: March 02, 2010, 01:02:37 PM »

Alright so my water has been gradually turning white over the past couple of days. It's cloudy now, but my water chemistry is very decent. I did a water change yesterday, so Im wondering if I should just change the filter things.
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Re: water is cloudy question :S
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2010, 01:32:20 PM »

Cloudy water is an indicate of the bacteria trying to fnd a home in your tank so to speak.
In a few days the cloudiness will disapate and the ammonia levels will probably rise so keep testing for this since a fish's tolerance for ammonia is zero.   Small water changes, 10%  or adding zeolite whch will absorb ammonia will help.  However, do not use any salt in your tank if you decide to use the zeolite.  Higher ph makes ammonia levels epsecially dangerous so test at least every other day and do water changes accordingly.
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Re: water is cloudy question :S
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2010, 02:10:35 PM »

alright! yay! will do then
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Re: water is cloudy question :S
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2010, 09:26:26 PM »

mmmkay... my water is getting murkier... what can I add? is there something wrong with the filter? I tested ammonia... How do I get rid of ammonia? its sitting at about 0.60ppm, thats a little high for me..
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Re: water is cloudy question :S
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2010, 03:15:40 AM »

Oj. I would tell you to a bigger water change, but since your tank is cycling, you shouldn't do that... But I heard that several smaller waterchanges a week should help! If you change like 10% every second day or so. And keep testing!
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2010, 01:14:52 PM »

I've been doing so since it first popped up! :S I've added a little more cycler to my tank to see if that would help. I'll test tonight, but so far it isnt doing anything!
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2010, 01:33:24 PM »

Hm, well I tried reading a bit about this now... and all it says is that you should do large water changes and "make sure you have a functioning biological filter that can handle the biological load of your system. You may have to reduce stocking levels and feeding as well." But I think this is rather for cycled tanks.

So I guess the only thing you could do is to be patient,  change water and keep an eye on the ammonia levels. The cycler should help too. I'm afraid I can't really help any more than that... :C But as long as your fish aren't showing any signs of feeling bad in the water, you shouldn't worry too much! (: Things you could look out for though would be lethargy, clamped fins, reduced appetite and excessive mucus production.
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2010, 02:16:18 PM »

well, theyve been resting at the bottom of the tank since i stuck them in the tank, but there's no hosility, and they eatlike a couple of pigs (i feed them twice daily for three minutes each). But thats it. all other behaiviour is normal. I'm just really worried.. I might look at the filter. I'm changing the other cartidges today, so hopefully that'll help
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2010, 04:50:36 AM »

No! Don't change any filter cartridges! That will kill all the bacteria that are trying to establish!
Simply, the only way to keep the ammonia on safe levels is to do frequent water changes and monitor the ammonia levels. After a week or two you should get high nitrite readings, but you just have to do the same then. And in another two weeks, you should get higher nitrate readings and... then it would be adviceable to get some live plants that consume the nitrate.
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2010, 09:59:53 AM »

The tank needs to cycle and the more you fuss with it, changing filters, large water changes...etc.  the LONGER it will take to cycle and will stay cloudy.  The cloudiness is a good thing in that you have a large # of bacteria trying to find a home.  So like Nossie says, be patient and ride it out...feed less, like once a day max.  As for sitting on the bottom that is indicative of the ammonia in your tank.  You might want to take one fish out and put in the smaller tank until your tank has finished its cycling.  Just a thought.  I usually cycle a tank with only 1 fish in it and don't add the second one until the tank is cycled and showing zero ammonia and zero nitrite.  It can take up to 2 months for a tank to completely finish cycling.
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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2010, 06:18:51 PM »

alright. ill let 'er go for another month. Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2010, 04:54:09 AM »

Our tankwater started to get cloudy the last couple of days. I put it down to the fact that I fed more as they grow bigger, thought that they need it. But this was wrong Sad. so I must put them on a 2 days diet and then feed only one pinch a day and do smaller partial waterchanges but will not touch the filter media for now.
but I am glad that Hump and Hep do not show any distress. Hope this will stay so.

By the way, we bought a plant for our lounge today and when we went to the till for payment the guy had a HUUUGE glass bowl with filtration and air supply and two goldfish, one comet one common, much the size like Humphrey and Hepsiba. He said he feeds only a very small ammount per day, does change the water every 6 month ( about 50% ) the rest of the time he tops it up when needed. Fish never were sick and he's got them now for 4 years.
I looked at the fish and they seemed to be happy fish.
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« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2010, 09:28:23 AM »

That giant bowl sounds really cool!
You can keep goldfish in any type of container really as long as you have the proper filtration and aeration for it.
Next time you go, you should snap a picture and post it so we can all see it too! Wink
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« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2010, 11:48:53 AM »

Hanna: How many times are/were you feeding your fish? I think that it might help if you'd simply decrease the amount of food, but spread it out more during the day! I feed mine, like you MUST know xD, three times every day and pretty small amounts, never had cloudy water even if things are a tad crowded here Wink Maybe that would be something for you to try?
Besides, flake foods tend to cloud the water faster than pellets, so maybe this would be an option as well?
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« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2010, 04:47:44 PM »

I fed in the mornings about 6 am, before getting ready for work and when I come home about 6 pm. I think my pinches were too big  Undecided
Yes, I do have pellets as well but they do not fancy them too much, so most times I gave the different varieties of flakes.
Peas once a week. Sometimes a bit watermelon, they gobbled that red flesh down, couldn't believe it. They do not like the brine shrimp either too much. S o I will get frozen blood worms ?..... iiiiiiiiiyuck....shiver...shake..LOL  Grin

But I'll try your option too, THANK YOU  Wink
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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2010, 01:59:09 AM »

Oh, watermelon... : D~~~~

I see, they're a bit picky fish Wink But hey, if you don't want to touch the blood worms, some tubifex might be good! Cheesy My fish love them Wink They are sold in cubes in the size of ca 1cmx1cm so I break off a few pieces and soak them in some tank water before feeding so it's more accessible to the fish (: Otherwise it tends to float around too much so they can't catch it!
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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2010, 04:11:38 AM »

If you don't want to touch the blood worms you can just shake a few in the lid and then overturn that into your water.  That's what I do.   Grin
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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2010, 05:05:32 AM »

 Grin hahaha, will do, LOL.
It was hard to resist today, all I could see was 4 eyes following me and two open little mouthes.

But I managed and gave them one pinch today, did a partial waterchange and the water looks better.
From tomorrow on I will give less and less but a couple of times. They also can nibble on those plants.
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« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2010, 08:23:35 PM »

Thought I post a couple of pix, Humphrey had those missing scales, looked like white patches, but nothing fuzzy or raised. This happened when the water was a bit cloudy, due to too much food.

Water looks good now, as I feed less and those patches seem to go away.

When I try to look through the magnifier glass our babies hide,  Shocked  they may not like it how my eye looks through the magnifying lens , lol

What is your opinion on those patches/spots/missing scales ?
No strange behaviour, all normal.

Thanks to all of you
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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2010, 10:59:40 PM »

It's hard to tell but to me it just looks like scales missing?  Maybe from spawning behavior?
Most fish spawn at the crack of dawn, unless your an early riser, you won't see the blessed event. Wink
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« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2010, 03:36:42 AM »

Could be, lol, sometimes those two chase each other as if there is no tomorrow, or they do their well known fish-dance  Grin
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« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2010, 04:03:30 AM »

It doesn't look too strange to me, just like it should when scales are missing (:
You don't need to start worrying until they would start looking either fluffy, or red. He'll be just fine Wink
I think Cream has a scale missing right beneath the dorsal right now, and probably some on Honey too c: Nothing to worry about Wink
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« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2010, 06:23:32 AM »

Thanks guys, this puts me at ease a lot.

Sometimes I wonder if this "missing scale" business has to do with them growing. Not quite but like a snake shedding the old skin when it gets too small... Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2010, 06:25:55 AM »

Ohh, forgot to ask or mention:

Can it be that water can get cloudy if there are too many plants in the tank? It just makes me think; like uneaten food the filter system cannot cope with: what about too much plant debris ?
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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2010, 09:58:39 AM »

Plants shouldn't make water cloudy.
You do need to trim off any dead leaves from the plant.  This will only make the nitrates high.
The plants act as a filter too.  Healthy plants with healthy roots will filter the water naturally and absorb nitrates.
Could your fish be stirring the gravel up a bit?
I have a couple of commons both female btw, that love to take a nose dive into the gravel and they shake it around a bit.  It is so funny to se them bury their heads in the gravel, probably looking for bits of food that have maybe fallen there.
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« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2010, 04:29:13 PM »

Oh yes, Mindemae,
they LOVE to dig as deep as they can. Sometimes I wake up during the night and I can hear the marbles clic, or the gravel when they spit it out and it hits a glass pebble. They seem to suck on every single piece of gravel and spit it out somewhere else  Grin
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« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2010, 05:39:51 PM »

I read in a book once that the author's goldfish took all the gravel and in twenty four hours moved it all to the other side of the tank!  One reason he decided not to keep gravel in the goldfish tank anymore. Wink
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« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2010, 05:44:14 PM »

Hanna,
I'm sure you checked your water chemistry right?
And gosh in the pictures you took the water sure doesn't look cloudy.
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« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2010, 06:07:11 PM »

No worries, I did, There was Ammonia present about 0.25ppm when it was a bit cloudy. So I acted asap with partial waterchange and less food. And as you can see the water looks good again. Will do another partial waterchange today and test again.
Keep you updated.
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« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2010, 06:13:29 PM »

Hey Hanna I sent you a personal message on here did you get it? Cheesy

If there is ammonia present you could add a bacteria booster right to your filter.  That might help too!
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