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Andrea
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What is this?
« on: November 15, 2010, 09:11:02 PM »

I woke up this morning and found a red mark on Sunshine's fin, now to me it looks like ammonia burn (I think). But I tested the water only a few days ago and readings were:

Ammonia: 0
Nitrites: 0
Nitrates: 10
Ph: 7.6

Now I tested the water again as soon as I saw this and the results were exactly the same. Sunshine is acting completely normal as she is eating, swimming around, does not have clamped fins, etc so I am not to worried but just a bit confused of what this is and should I treat it? I may treat with some melafix and pimafix as I think you can use both at the same time. I've never used pimafix before but looking at the bottle it sounds like I should use it.


Thought I could put Clementine in any day but should I not do that until I have finished treatment with Sunshine. I don't wanna risk anything but I'm sad I have to delay the introduction of them again Sad


I've attached photos.
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Andrea
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2010, 09:15:15 PM »

Oh and I meant to mention this but forgot and I don't know if it would cause this but we had a couple of pretty warm days three days in a row, one of those hot days where the nights don't get any cooler. Well this caused my tank to reach a temperature of 29 degrees celsius. I tried to cool it down but nothing really changed. Anyway yesterday and today are alot more pleasent, now the temp in the tank is about 25-26. Could the high temperatures have caused this?
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2010, 10:08:56 PM »

The high temps could have led to less dissolved oxygen in the water and could have led to stress which could have caused a bit of an infection flare up.
It looks to me like a bit of infection.
I would go ahead and use the pimafix and melafix at the same time.
do a water change if you haven't already, and add aquarium salt 1 tBS per 5 gallons.
That should help heal it any way.
Increase aeration also to improve gas exchange.
If you don't see an improvement in 3-4 days you might have to treat with an antibiotic. Smiley
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Andrea
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2010, 11:39:42 PM »

Thanks Minde, that sounds like the actual reason and I don't actual have an airstone in the tank meaning even less oxygen  Undecided Must buy one this weekend!!!

I'll do a water change tomorrow as it is time for one and then start treating it with melafix, pimafix and salt. By antibiotic what do you mean exactly? The eatable ones? Or what product? If you get what I mean Smiley

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2010, 11:54:30 PM »

There is a product by Jungle that is very good...It is called Fungus eliminator and it treats a broad spectrum of bacteria as well as fungus.  I would treat the water first for 4 days with it.  Do a 25% water change.  If no improvement, I would treat again and also get an antibiotic fish food and feed that and nothing else for 7-10 days.
But try the water change, increased aeration, salt, and melafix and pimafix first. Smiley
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Andrea
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2010, 12:01:54 AM »

Yeah, I'll definitely try that first and I hope it works because I've never seen antibiotic fish food here and I remember Hanna mentioning you can't get it over here, though I dunno if she meant just her state or all over Australia. Also I've never seen Jungle branded stuff but of course if it comes to that I'll look/ask around.

*crosses fingers* Hopefully it doesn't come to that.

Should I wait till I add Clementine now?
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2010, 12:29:21 AM »

Oh yes, definately wait to add Clem until you are done treating Sunshine.
You never want to treat a fish that is already healthy. Smiley
Andrea, maybe you could do a search online and find the products.
Even maybe a international ebay?
I don't know just a thought... Undecided
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2010, 05:06:35 AM »

I hope you cure your fish!
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2010, 07:41:24 AM »

OMG Andera, havent browsed this  section for a few days, so sorry  Cry

Looks to me like an infection and blood vessels showing.
I agree with Minde, the hotter temps could have caused this. Try to do waterchanges with cooler water, maybe more frequently when it gets hot.
And add Pima- and Melafix, salt, turn the aeration up like Minde suggested. Try and keep the water cooler maybe with a fan. We've got now the ceiling fan going all day.

Hope Sunshine recovers quick. Let us know please whats happening
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2010, 11:32:06 AM »

Got nothing to add except that I'm absolutely sure she'll be fine Wink Just get the air stone and start treating Smiley
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Andrea
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2010, 08:30:45 PM »

Don't worry Hanna I only posted it yesterday  Tongue It looks worse this morning, Sunshine now has a spot on her body just behind the fin that is affected which also looks a tiny bit worse. I haven't started treating yet, still need to do the water change and I can't do that till Mum gets home so she can hold the bucket as it's time for a siphon. I want to start treating!

I'll hopefully get the airstone on friday, I know I'm bad I've been meaning to get one for ages Sad

I may have to buy this tank it's own personal fan, I'm worried about how I am going to keep it cool in summer with 40 degree weather. I can't do water changes all day.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2010, 07:04:15 AM »

I'd keep frozen ice cubes in a bottle and float it, have spare bottles in the freezer.

I wonder too, how it will be in summer.....I may have to do the same thing.

Do you treat her with Pimafix and Melafix for now?
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2010, 10:17:23 AM »

The longer you wait to treat, the harder it will be to get rid of the infection. Smiley
If your worried about the water temps, try this:  Fill water bottles and freeze in the freezer, then place one in the tank.  After the water is melted inside, switch to one in the freezer.  Put the melted one back in the freezer to re-freeze. Wink
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2010, 11:14:19 AM »

Is there no way you can do the water change on your own? It may be a good thing to practice in case there'd be an emergency like this again Smiley I've practiced, and made a mess allover again, but at least I could handle it pretty well on my own by now! Cheesy
It is, of course, far better with the help of my fiance Wink

Anyway, good luck with Sunshine! She'll be just fine I'm sure Smiley
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2010, 05:20:58 AM »

When I do a siphon water change I get my mum to help me as it sure is alot easier and then she puts the water one her plants, I'm sure I could do it without her but I'm sure I'd make an even bigger mess than you did Nossie. Also I don't like my room smelling like tank water Tongue

Anyway after one day of treating with both melafix and pimafix ( I held back on the salt, was going to use it as the next step if the others didn't work) it is pretty much gone  Shocked Pretty amazed, there is just the slightest sign of it. I will continue treating just as the bottles say though as I'm sure it's not actually gone.

It has made me happy though Smiley

With the frozen water bottles, do you just freeze normal tap water or should I add some water conditioner too? As I dunno if the condensation would affect the fish, it might be too a tiny amount to do anything though I guess  Undecided Sounds like a good idea though.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2010, 05:22:30 AM »

Thanks everyone once again by the way  Grin
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2010, 07:42:14 AM »

This is good news Andrea  Cheesy

I haven't done those frozen water bottles yet. I'd freeze tap water in 2-3 small bottles and then put it in a plastic bag with water and float it, so the fishies cannot get direct contact with the frozen, hard and icy bottle...
No wouldn't use waterconditioner unless you empty the water after into the tank
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2010, 10:27:08 AM »

Good to hear that Sunshine is alright again!! Smiley I'd agree with Hanna, don't bother with the water conditioner unless the water will be added to the tank! Cheesy
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2010, 11:57:22 PM »

That's a great idea Hanna, my fish are gonna be soo cool while I'm sweating to death haha  Cheesy The infection is all gone and Sunshine's very happy, just need to finish with the medication and I can FINALLY add Clementine.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2010, 01:11:29 AM »

Had this happened with my 2 goldfish red streaks on their body and fins. I searched about the symptoms and it said septicemia which is a bacterial infection. So I treated the 2 goldfish with melafix per direction. They got over the infection and I was so relieved. Smiley

Andrea: I'm happy to know that your Sunshine is feeling happy again. Smiley
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Andrea
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2010, 01:05:17 AM »

Thanks pappy-fish, that is probably what it was then as melafix and pimafix have fixed it. Glad that's all I had to do to cure it Smiley
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Andrea
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2010, 09:30:36 PM »

It's back Sad I'm so sad as I have no idea why and it means another 7 days before I can add Clementine to the tank as it looks like I'll be treating Sunshine again Sad I have no idea why it is back and it feels like I'll never add Clementine.

Woe is me yes haha Tongue
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2010, 09:42:48 PM »

I can relate Andrea. With the fungal patch on my fishes tail, I've been dealing with it for almost 2 months. It starts to look as though it has healed and all is well and then bam - it's back again. Granted I just did a tank transfer so that added stress hasn't alleviated the problem but hang in there. Today I added a nominal dose of aquarium salt to the new tank and the tail is doing well so I don't know...time will tell good luck Smiley
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2010, 09:57:22 PM »

Andrea and April, you may have to bring out the bigger guns!
You could still treat with melafix but add an oral antibiotic food. Undecided
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Andrea
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2010, 10:50:38 PM »

That is what I might have to do Minde. I'm going to call up the fish shops though I don't think they stock it. I don't even know where to start looking after that Sad

Update: Just called the places and they have never heard/don't have any. It's just appears to be something that isn't stocked in Australia  Sad They recommend salt which I didn't do last time so I might aswell try.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2010, 04:30:58 AM »

Don't you have any "normal" medication anywhere there? Anything anti-bacterial?
I'd say that should be enough, since it's only a wound, and it doesn't seem to be anything that has spread into the fish, so to speak.
Can you find any oral antibiotic food online?
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Andrea
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2010, 04:38:25 AM »

I really don't know Nossie  Embarrassed I've only ever seen melafix and pimafix, but those are the ones I've only ever had to use. I found a place here that actually sells the antibiotic food thanks to the guy I know with the Oscars. However, it is about an hour and a half away. Sooo what I'm going to do is treat this with aquarium salt and pimafix for now. If it comes back I'll get the food.

Maybe I'll look for some anti-bacterial stuff.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2010, 05:38:56 AM »

It is hard to get antibiotic treated food here,  Sad but there are a few antibiotics to be added to the tank.
Andrea, do you have "Best Friends" in your area or "PetStock" ? ( I think I once asked you in the past, but cannot remember... )

They should carry a range of medication by Aqua Master. I've got Tri-Sulfa-Tablets on hand(for external bacterial deseases)
ingredients 153.5mg Sulfadiazine, 154.7 Suldadimidine, 154.1 Sulfamerazine and Monosodium Salts.
There are Antibiotics available too.

Hope Sunshine is getting better soon
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2010, 08:59:39 AM »

Oh yeah, Andrea I'm sorry, I forgot you are in australia!
Take Hannas advice on what is available in Aussieland. Smiley
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2010, 04:39:16 PM »

Well, like I said, we have nothing but medicated food against internal parasites available here Undecided Which is pretty crappy, I mean, who said that fish can't get bacterial infections outside the states? Cheesy

Meh, either way, I'm sure little, lovely Sunshine will be just fine!! Smiley
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