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Hanna
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2010, 12:44:28 AM »

ATTENTION   ANDREA !
please see this link, about aquarium medication

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You may be able to contact them, they may tell you which store sells their products.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2010, 05:01:01 AM »

Thanks everyone. It seems strange you can get anti-bacterial food in America but not here  Undecided For now I'm just sticking with the salt/melafix/pimafix. If it doesn't work or comes back I'll go further.

Hanna: Thanks Hanna Smiley I don't have a pet stock near me unfortunately. There is two in places I go to sometimes but both are 40 minutes away. Next time I'm there I'll get some Smiley Might have a look around here first.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2010, 07:31:16 AM »

I'm still having trouble with this Sad It just won't seem to go. Little red bumps come up, I'm not sure if they are even bumps or just marks as they are so small. But they come up, go away and then are replaced by another one in a slightly different area. It's only on the one side of the body. It seems I might have to start treating a bit more drastic.

I brought bactonex by aquasonic (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.) which the guy at the fish shop suggested. It contains methylene blue but you only use it once and repeat in 5 days if necessary. I am also doing the melafix/pimafix every day. I can get my hands on those tablets you suggested Hanna, but they destroy all bacteria meaning I may have to go through another cycle which could make Sunshine sick all over again Sad

Sunshine is acting 100%, I'm just not equipped to deal with sick fish! What you would you do?
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2010, 09:14:33 AM »

Just add beneficial bacteria right to your filter when you medicate.  If your filter media contains carbon you will want to remove it and replace it with some plain old filter floss to catch the debrie.  Add the beneficial bacteria right to the floss.  You will want to do a 25% water change every 4 days anyway, since almost all medication stops working after 4 days.  Just leave the floss in when you do the water change and add more benficial bacteria right to it again whenever you do a water change.  I have found this to be a big help in keeping the nitrogen cycle in good condition while treating.  When you are all done treating, you can take out the floss and throw it away and put your regular filter media in and add more beneficial bacteria to it.
I really would consider treating with something stronger since Sunshine has suffered a long time with this. Smiley
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2010, 01:00:28 PM »

I agree with Minde Smiley Maybe this new medication would do the trick? If not, you should have a look around what's available at your place Smiley

IF you happen to see it, I've used something called Bactopur, by Sera. It's against bacterial infections mainly, and it works just fine! Smiley
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2010, 03:47:13 PM »

I agree with Minde and Nossie too, well unfortunately the "gun shots" destroy the benficial bacterai, but as Minde said, you'd add beneficial bacteria to your filter floss.

Sera products are available here in Aussieland.

ALL THE BEST FOR OUR FRIEND SUNSHINE
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2010, 02:24:20 AM »

Is that for if I decide to use the medication which may destroy my good bacteria Minde? It looks like that is going to happen as it has gotten quite bad overnight. I don't have carbon in my filter anyway, but I'll do the adding beneficial bacteria straight to the filter if it starts messing with my cycle.

The new medication is definitely not doing the trick, I think it's more of a prevention than a treatment. Silly fish guy  Angry

I'll look for the Sera product as I'm going to the fish shop about an hour and a half away from which also says antibiotic food. I'm taking my camera with photos and not leaving until I get prober medication!

Some photos just you can have a look how bad it has gotten. It may also add more clues of what it is  Undecided
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2010, 07:05:08 AM »

OMG Andrea, I am so sad seeing those photos.
I don't know what it can be, the only thing I found is the following:



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 Sad  I wish you all the Best in treating Sunshine successfully
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2010, 07:37:09 AM »

Sounds like the best course of treatment would be something with tetracycline in it. Smiley
Sounds like red pest.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2010, 10:16:18 AM »

I have no idea what this might be, to be honest. It just looks like some small wounds... but I'd simply go with Minde's suggestion Smiley Something a little stronger might do the trick.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2010, 05:18:06 PM »

Andrea, I copied those photos onto a word document, I'll print them out and will ask our fish guy.

Sth else I noticed, but I may be wrong: Sunshines pectoral fins look like there is tissue missing?

With those hemorrharges, I'll let you know asap when I'll be back.

How is Sunshine behaving? Stil normal?
How is the water temp? pH? Nitrates and Nitrites?
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2010, 05:26:43 PM »

Red Pest will lead to fin rot if left untreated. Undecided
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2010, 11:31:15 PM »

So I went to this great fish shop today! Seriously it was amazing, aswell as selling some amazing fish who looked extremely healthy and happy. They had heaps of display tanks/ponds. With fish such as koi, salt water ones, goldfish, Oscars and other cichlids and this amazing giant gourami!!! I dunno if any of you have ever seen of them but omg wow  Shocked

So anyway I showed them photos and they were also a bit unsure. But had this lady who came in last week with similar looking sores/spots on her fish with no white threads showing but it turned out to be anchor worm! Now I can't see any white threads and they asked me this but because of this other lady, they had this idea. So they gave me Sterazin (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.) it sounds pretty intense. I have to wait 48 hours though before I can use it as you have to wait 48 hour if you have used other treatment. It's already been 24 but she gave me some carbon to speed the process up. I will also do a water change.

They were very nice and helpful, explaining it to me and told me they hoped it work Smiley I really hope it does, it says it can kill internal and external parasites. But then again it may not be a parasite  Undecided

Hanna, thankyou very much Smiley I am very interested in hearing what they have to say as if this doesn't work (prays it does though) I will know where to go next. The fin has been like this for awhile actually probably since the last time this first came up, it just never healed but never got worse so I didn't know what to think. I was trying not to stress about it but by ignoring it I probably messed up Sad
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2010, 12:12:48 AM »

Andrea, how old is Sunshine?
It doesn't make since to me that all of a sudden after having her for so long that anchor worm would suddenly out of the blue show up.  Especially since Sunshine hasn't been exposed to any other fish.   I really believe it is a bacterial infection.  It started on her fins and anchor worm doesn't affect the fins!
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #44 on: December 11, 2010, 12:15:55 AM »

She's four. I did add new plants but after this came up the first time. It did start on the fins the first time but this time it started on the body. I dunno what to do then.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #45 on: December 11, 2010, 12:21:26 AM »

Treat her with something for finrot, besides melafix.
Didn't Hanna give you a link with different meds available in Australia?
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #46 on: December 11, 2010, 12:23:45 AM »

That was those tri-sulpha tablets which I was told kill all bacteria but then you told me how I can go about keeping my cycle if that happens so I could do that. I don't know much about it, I'm not sure if it treats fin rot.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #47 on: December 11, 2010, 12:25:09 AM »

Just read the link Hanna gave me, it does  Wink

EDIT: Just another two questions. Does carbon remove aquarium salt? I doubt it but I'm unsure  Embarrassed Also does salt kill algae? Thanks Smiley I will go to my usual fish shop tomorrow. I'm all medicated out and have wasted my money twice now  Angry I appear not to be very good at this whole thing.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #48 on: December 11, 2010, 02:47:54 AM »

Hi Andrea & Minde.

The link also shows other meds, not only the Tri-Sulfa-Tabs. We all know that "shot gun meds" kills the good bacteria.

Anyway, been to the fish guy and showed him those pics.
He said first priority to have the water tested to make sure Ammonia Nitrites are 0 and Nitrate fairly low, pH 7 - 7.6.
Then he said too to think about a secondary infection as even ich can cause those bleedings under the skin, as the parasite may have gone under the scales.
He would treat first against parasites, combined with Melafix.
If this doesn't work he'd think about flukes and then about bacterial infection.

I don't believe that carbon removes salt. It might stop algae grow, but I'm not sure about this either.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #49 on: December 11, 2010, 05:03:45 AM »

When you have a sick fish, the last thing I'd care about would be the filter bacteria, you can add (what was the name?!) those white stones that absorb ammonia AND beneficial bacteria. There are many different ways to go around that while treating.
But what happened to finding the anti-bacterial medication by Sera? You can use salt by them called Ectopur, that will enhance the effect of the anti-bacterial medication at the same time as it'd kill parasites and fungus.

It's not a shotgun method, just a smart way to treat against basically everything Wink
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #50 on: December 11, 2010, 06:13:51 AM »

Hanna: Yes but what other meds in that link could be used for this? I did look at all of them and I don't see anything that is really that different to what I've already used  Undecided What are shot gun meds? Last time I checked ammonia and nitrites were at zero, nitrates were 5 (tested on thursday). I did a water change today so I will test 24 hours after that again. My ph is always at 7.6 so that's good Smiley

It just seems I'm getting conflicting advice from everyone. Hanna's fish guy says parasites and so did the people today, that is what the sterazin kills. Yet Minde and Nossie seem set that is a bacterial infection. Now of course I'm not saying anyone is wrong but I don't know what one to pick to fight against because if I pick the wrong one, then I could lose Sunshine Sad

I'm going to look for the Sera product tomorrow. I think it's the way to go or something that kills bacteria. I'm actually getting sick from this myself, well it may have been caused by the stress. I don't want to share but it's women problems if you know what I mean  Embarrassed  Wink
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #51 on: December 11, 2010, 06:16:07 AM »

It is ZEOLITHE which absorbs Ammonia and the beneficial bactria : Stability
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #52 on: December 11, 2010, 06:16:26 AM »

Oh and Hanna a big karma for you for taking the photo in, I really really appreciate it!
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #53 on: December 11, 2010, 06:30:14 AM »

Andrea, I know what you mean and I fully understand what you're going through right now.
The water quality is perfect.

How is Sunshine acting? Does she eat and behave normal?

Paracites and Protozoen can be treated with methylene blue and malachite green, basically the ich medicine. It is hard to tell, basically impossible to tell exactly what it is.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #54 on: December 11, 2010, 06:33:29 AM »

Oh Andrea, it just makes me sad if I want to help so bad but I can't.
I only can hope that it is the right way to start treating against paracites / protozoen. Well this is what he said he'd do first.

Big Thanks Andrea, Karma to you too I know how much you love your fishies
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #55 on: December 11, 2010, 06:49:32 AM »

Yeah, I've pretty much come to that conclusion too. I wish it was as simple as "Your fish had ich", now of course I don't want any of my fish to have ich, I just want to know what it is, treat it and for it to go away so I have two healthy fish who can finally be friends!!

Sunshine is probably acting about 90% normal just over the past two days she has gone down a little bit. I have witnessed some fin clamping but only once or twice for about 20 seconds. She has been on the bottom of the tank a few times but not for long and rarely, she gets up soon enough and acts fine. She was also hiding behind the filter before but moved once she saw me. Now that all sounds bad and it is, but it's not happening alot or even often. As said about 90% normal, she is still eating but I don't think Sunshine would ever stop eating Tongue

The bumps have cleared up since I took those photos, also with the water change I added more aquarium salt so I'm hoping that does some good.

Did he suggest any specific medication Hanna?
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #56 on: December 11, 2010, 07:05:25 AM »

You can treat with a parasitic medication and a oral antibiotic at the same time.
You can also treat with methylene blue and use with an antiparasitic and oral antibiotic at the same time.
OR you can treat with an oral parasitic and treat the water with an antibiotic at the same time.
Just thought you should know your options. Wink
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #57 on: December 11, 2010, 07:10:43 AM »

Indeed I can Minde. But the parasite medication I got can strictly not be used with any other medication! Why? I would have no clue Tongue But then again I can get another one. The options are endless  Cheesy
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #58 on: December 11, 2010, 07:13:42 AM »

What are the ingredients in this medication?   I'm curious to know what ingredients it has that you cannot even use methylene blue with it? Hmmm..
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #59 on: December 11, 2010, 07:16:19 AM »

It doesn't actually say and I couldn't find anything about the ingredients on the net. All I can really offer you is that link I gave before about it. It sounds pretty extreme with all the fish types you can't use it with  Undecided I don't think I'm going to use it.
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