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Mindemae
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #60 on: December 11, 2010, 07:34:49 AM »

Sounds to me from reading  that Sterazin is formaldehyde and either methylene blue or malchanite green with it.
What ever it is, it won't bother the beneficial bacteria in your tank , however it will stain your tank so be careful when dosingthat you don't spill it!
Also, you can use an oral antibiotic with these ingredients. Smiley
Andrea, I really think you should try it and see if there is an improvement.  Smiley
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #61 on: December 11, 2010, 08:59:32 AM »

There's malachite green in the anti-bacterial med I mentioned Smiley
I'd seriously recommend that treatment schedule since it would kill everything without having to add that many different products.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #62 on: December 11, 2010, 07:20:51 PM »

Andrea, I'd use the medication with Malachite Green, Methylene Blue and Formaldehyde ASAP. And combined with Melafix. It is mostly used to cure a wider range of paracites / protozoen including ich.

(Talking about tetracycline, my fish guy mentioned he doesn't believe in its strenght anymore because most of bacteria on this earth are allready immune to it)  but we wanna treat first against paracites.

Minde, we cannot get oral medication here in Australia.

I asked the fish guy about that one too and he said even medication used in water will treat internal infections because fish live in water and the meds get inside their body anyway.

Andrea, please keep us updated. Big hugs for you and I know you do the very best you can. Blow a fishy kiss for Sunshine  Kiss
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #63 on: December 11, 2010, 08:02:54 PM »

I don't know what to say because I disagree with Fish Guy.
I've treated successfully with tetracycline and so have other people I know.
So please don't go saying that a perfectly great antibiotic won't work, because then people reading this will not want to use it when it may help their fish.
I think Andrea should try the medication she bought, the sterazin.  It pretty much has the same ingredients as Kordon's Rid Ich +
I'd give it a try, it may help. Smiley
Otherwise if she doesn't do something, she may lose Sunshine. Sad
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #64 on: December 11, 2010, 11:15:25 PM »

I brought those tri-sulpha tablets, I really didn't have much choice. They had Sera products but not the one Nossie mentioned, none of their medications actually, just their water conditioners etc.

I did not find anything with tetracycline in it, but the guy recommended this after looking at the photos. I also added more of the bactonex to the water which contains the meth... blue stuff. I also brought some stability, I will do a water change in 3 days and add that plus stress zyme. It says to re-dose in 3 days if there is no improvement. However, if there is no improvement I will switch to the sterazin. If there is any sign of improvement I'll stick with the tablets. I have no melafix left, could I use the pimafix instead?

I've decided there is a severe lack of treatments around me for fish, I have very little choice which is just plain s.h.i.t!

Sunshine was acting really bad this morning but has acted fine since I fed her which was a couple of hours ago.

I will keep a very close eye on my water quality and just wish for the best.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #65 on: December 12, 2010, 12:23:37 AM »

Minde, I didn't say it WON"T work, I put in bracketts what fish guy said.... apart from that we all know that many bacs are immune against certain antibiotics and we all know that in Medicine there always will be sort of trial and failure with all different kind of antibiotics too.... unfortunately nobody can tell what it really is Sad and I feel sad about it

And of course sth has to be done ASAP, all of us wish Andrea and Sunshine the very Best

In case I created confusion  I APOLOGIZE FOR IT  Cry
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #66 on: December 12, 2010, 12:32:18 AM »

Hanna and Andrea,
Sulfa is a antibiotic and you can soak your pellets in it and then feed them to Sunshine.
You can also at the same time treat for parasites with the sterazin the petshop reccommended.
You may not be able to get the oral fish food antibiotics but you certainly can create your own.
The oral antibiotics that I used and also the ones Nossie used have sulfa in them. Smiley
I guess I wasn't making myself clear or there was a miscommunication on this.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #67 on: December 12, 2010, 12:34:58 AM »

Andrea,
If it were me I would treat with melafix or pimafix after you finish this course of treatment.  If there is any dammage left to the fins then by all means treat with melafix later.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #68 on: December 12, 2010, 12:52:13 AM »

I'm not going to use that sterazin unless there is no trace of other products in the water. It strictly says to do that so it must be for reason! Why else would it say not too?

Soaking the pellets in the sulfa is a great idea though Smiley
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #69 on: December 12, 2010, 03:05:00 AM »

Good idea to soak food in Sulfa.
Just please make sure you don't overdose it.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #70 on: December 12, 2010, 05:07:35 AM »

I have no experience with tetracycline but I've read a lot about it being recommended against all kinds of bacterial infections, and if I remember it correctly, it could be used both as a water treatment, and even more effective, as injected into the fish.

Either way, I'd completely skip the Melafix, why add something that won't help in any way when there's already medication in the water? Smiley I'd rather have it as an after treatment as well. Either way, do please keep us updated on Sunshine's progress Smiley
My, I can't understand how she could've gotten so sick suddenly Huh
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #71 on: December 12, 2010, 05:35:10 AM »

You can't overdoes on the Sulfa.
In fact my instructions on the food can says to feed as much as the fish will eat once or twice a day.
Depending on how big the pellets are, I usually feed 4-5 2X's a day.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #72 on: December 12, 2010, 07:06:32 AM »

Phew, this is good to know Minde, big thankies for the info
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #73 on: December 12, 2010, 10:14:27 AM »

I've given one pellet each to the small ones Smiley Since the pellets are pretty big, and over-feeding would be a problem.
I gave them shrimp last time though Cheesy
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #74 on: December 12, 2010, 01:33:04 PM »

Well Sunshine is a big fish so you would want to give him more. Wink
I crushed about 3 pellets and fed those to Cali 2 X's a day and also fed her  reg. pellets mixed with tetracycline 1X's per day.
so she got three feedings a day total. Smiley
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #75 on: December 12, 2010, 02:34:28 PM »

Of course, the bigger the fish, the more food it needs Smiley
I noticed as mine are growing like crazy, they're starting to eat more and much faster! Wink
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #76 on: December 14, 2010, 06:13:50 PM »

ANDREA,  I  AM  WORRIED  Huh How are thing s going, Hope our darling Sunshine is on the mend.
Big hugz for you.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #77 on: December 14, 2010, 06:31:01 PM »

Hi Andrea, I am worried too, hope all is well with Sunshine!
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #78 on: December 15, 2010, 12:48:17 AM »

Sorry I havenít been around, Iíve been a bit stressed out and confused with all the advice being thrown at me. Not that I donít appreciate it, I canít express how much I appreciate all of your help!!

Now so I treated with the tri-sulpha tablets externally on Sunday, I also soaked some pellets in it Sunday afternoon and Monday morning, but neither were any help. It actually got worse and Sunshine seemed very sick. I went to a concert on Monday night and for some reason I expected to come home to a dead fish  Sad I donít think it was that bad though and well obviously it wasnít as Sunshine is still alive and kicking (or should I say swimming?).

I didnít know where to go next, I went back to the fish shop and told the expert person there that I should have talked to from the start, about it all. Well he pretty much agreed with you Mindemae about the red pest and well I am pretty sure that is right. So I am currently treating with Bio-Tet by aquasonic (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)
Now it appears I have unfortunately messed up the treating a bit.

I found this out because I am cheating on you guys with another forum  Shocked Haha Cheesy This is what they said about tetracycline

ďTetracycline is deactivated by light, if the water color turns from yellow to dirty its off, is more toxic and wont work anymore. High gh and ph reduces effect and you need to higher the dose. But with about 6.6mg/l you should be alright, hoping your gh is not too high. Dose daily for a week with at least 25%water change prior each dose. If the water turnes brownish or so go up to 80%Ē

My water is currently yellow. I am waiting on their reply about should I dose the whole tank again or just the water changed. The person is from Australia which always helps. The marks are still there but some have healed and have hope that this is going to work, I just feel like this is it and we will all beat it together  Sunshine seems happier, Iím just annoyed with myself for messing the treatment up a bit.

I had ammonia present yesterday, so I did a water change, added both stability and stress zyme, I am now also using stress coat by api as a water conditioner. Then I treated with the bio-tet.

I will follow this persons instructions, would you have anything to add on to it?
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #79 on: December 15, 2010, 12:52:28 AM »

Just gave you guys all karma and noticed you are all nearly equal and I'm very behind  Cheesy

EDIT: They just said this and this looks like the actions I will be doing Smiley

"You started Tetracycline yesterday, right? On Friday AM you do a big water change and dose with 6.6gr/l measured by the entire tank volume, not only the water you replace. You do that entire procedure daily for another 5 days at least. Hope you saw improvements by then, if not you can stop because it wonīt help. If you do see improvements but sunshine is not fully recovered continue for two more days."

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #80 on: December 15, 2010, 04:56:37 AM »

I have nothing to add since I'm not familiar with this treatment Smiley I do hope Sunshine will get better Smiley And I hope she's not too stressed about all the different medicines! Wink

Good luck and keep us posted Smiley
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #81 on: December 15, 2010, 05:33:22 AM »

The only thing that i have to add, is that I lowered my pH a bit because tetracycline doesn't work well in pH over 8.0.
You can also soak food in it and feed it orally as well, as I did with Cali.
Glad to here Sunshine is on the mend. Smiley
When I used it to treat I do water changes daily at 25%
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #82 on: December 15, 2010, 05:54:09 AM »

Thanks Nossie and Minde. I hope she isn't too stressed either, I haven't been able to sleep as I've been so worried Sad Sunshine is my baby and I feel so bad letting her get so sick, especially when I've been trying to do everything right for her by getting the bigger tank and learning as much as I can. I feel like such a failure of a fish owner.

My ph is 7.6 so hopefully that isn't too high. When you treated, did you treat the whole tank every day too Minde? I'd thought you'd suggest I could soak the food in it, will do Smiley
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #83 on: December 15, 2010, 06:05:34 AM »

I did a 25% water change everyday and treated with another dose afterwards.
Tetracycline only lasts for about 24 hours in the water anyway.
Lights off while treating.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #84 on: December 15, 2010, 06:07:04 AM »

Yes I know that now  Wink Major mistake on my count!! I give up on fish shops, why didn't the bloody fish guy tell me  Angry I'm soo p.i.s.s.e.d off with them!!
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #85 on: December 15, 2010, 10:50:35 AM »

You're not a failure! Smiley But it takes a lot of hands-on experience to be able to treat fish correctly, it's always like that when you don't know exactly what's wrong or how to treat the unknown problem.

After this is all done, you'll know just how to use this medication and how to treat similar issues if it'd ever happen again Smiley
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #86 on: December 15, 2010, 11:32:32 AM »

I'll tell you why the fish guy didn't tell you that...point blank...he didn't know himself. Wink
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #87 on: December 17, 2010, 04:14:46 AM »

I am very, very, VERY happy to announce I have a goldfish on the mend  Grin Finally!! I am so happy that this bio-tet is working and Sunshine seems like she is nearly her oldself. There is a few red bumps left but they were the newest ones to come up before I started treating with the tetracycline. No new ones since Smiley

My tank looks like crap and I know I have alot of work ahead of me with the cycle and cleaning the tank, my plants don't look to great either. But hey who cares, I'd much rather replace plants than a goldfish any day!!

Thankyou everyone for your help Cheesy I hope to have no experience with a disease ever again! But I'm going to start doing some more research. Oh and Minde haha yes he probably doesn't know, but come onnnn, he so should, it seems like something pretty important to know. Imagine all the fish that have died because people don't know that and have treated their unsuccessfully.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #88 on: December 17, 2010, 12:56:25 PM »

Good to hear! Smiley

I really hope you won't have to have sick fish anymore either!! But as long as you'll keep doing what you're doing with all that love and care, they'll all be great Wink
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #89 on: December 17, 2010, 11:34:39 PM »

No red bumps today Cheesy The ventral fin still hasn't grown back though, I'm trying to work out if it had grown a little bit but it's hard  Undecided Do you think it was connected with this? Do you think it will grow back? I'm not sure what to do about it.
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