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Nossie
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What is wrong with the cycling?!
« on: April 11, 2010, 03:41:25 AM »

I tested the water in the tank with Honey, Cream and Calico this morning because Honey had started hovering again (even tilting a bit to the sides). I noticed something very weird.
The test for nitrites showed: NO2-N <0.5 PPM NO2 <1.6 PPM
This needs a smaller water change of course, according to the test. I did change it yesterday, but the strange thing about it is that the nitrates are there already! It's around 30-40 PPM

Why are the nitrates so high if my tank is supposed to be cycling through the nitrites?  Angry
I'm certain that it has nothing to do with over feeding at least. Because I'm feeding them only small amounts of food 3 times a day. And they were perfectly fine until yesterday evening! I don't know what to do anymore ):

Mr. Popo has perfect water, though. A pH on 7, no nitrites, and nitrates on less than 5 PPM and he's looks healthy and happy. Swimming around with all fins erect. (I'll change some water for him today though, it's about time)
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2010, 06:20:34 AM »

HI NOSSIE,

this is info I found, I think it also relates to coldwater fish, not only to tropicals. Is it possible that the cycle stages can overlap?  I feel awful I cannot help more Sad, I hope Honey will be fine asap.

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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2010, 06:36:17 AM »

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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2010, 08:36:15 AM »

Nossie,
This is a 10 gallon tank were talking about right?  Well, It will be really hard to get the water parameters under control with 3 fish in the tank.  1 fish per the ten gallons will take less time to cycle because of less wastes.
I would feed only once every other day and increase aeration if possible.  Do small water changes every other day, no more than 10% if you have to.
Your tank is cycling but is having trouble keeping up with all the wastes produced by the 3 fish.
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2010, 01:03:50 PM »

Hanna:: Thank you so much (: Nice of you to look all this up! (: But unfortunately, the same info was in most books I checked Sad... I tried reading it through just in case though Wink I found a few new ways of speeding up the cycling at least (:

Mindemae:: Okay, I had a feeling that might have been the problem. I'll try this and see if it will make things any better! (:

Thank you both for your help! (:
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2010, 01:05:53 PM »

Jeezus Hanna.... way to go all out o your research. Nossie: Can't help you more than the other two already did Tongue Smiley Good luck with your fish, hope all goes well! Smiley
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2010, 01:06:51 PM »

Thanks (: Support's always nice Grin
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2010, 01:31:14 PM »

Well that's what I'm here for! Mind.. I should be elsewhere now.. eh, whatever.. Smiley
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2010, 03:55:59 PM »

Nossie, I thought, you may have all this written in your book, I also thought there might be sth the book might miss... you'll never now... sorry I couldn't help more Sad

How is Honey?
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2010, 02:52:40 AM »

Don't worry, I do appreciate it still (:

Today he seems to be okay! I changed the water yesterday after all and skipped one of the feedings Wink I gave them some breakfast though, and they still seem to be alright! I'll just be keeping an eye on them (:
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2010, 05:54:54 AM »

Yes Nossie, please keep us updated.

I do have a bit a worry now about Hepsiba, showing a tiny vein in her tail after I changed the water last Monday.
Posted it under "Health and Illness"- nitrite and nitrate levels.

... yes our little babies, fun, joy, sorrows, happines, sadness... we'll have all of this with em...

This is because we love them
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2010, 12:13:33 PM »

Oh... I'll take a look! Poor Hep :C
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2010, 04:23:20 PM »

THANKS Nossie
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2010, 02:49:15 AM »

My fish seem to be fine today (: I fed them only once yesterday morning, and gave them some peas today (:
Guess I'll just have to feed them once a day to keep things right!
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2010, 12:28:14 PM »

You don't really have three GOLDFISH in a ten gal, do you?  Being such large and messy fish, they require a minimum of ten gal PER fish, although I prefer to use 20 gal for first fish and ten gal each additional fish.
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2010, 01:09:24 PM »

Thank you. I know that. Now, the case is that I got them few months ago, and I had them in an 8 gallon while they were small. After that I got a book and I read that goldfish DO NEED 10 gallons per fish to be happy, and as of now, this is the best I can do, because I don't have money or space for anything bigger, but if you'll excuse me until the summer, I'll be getting them a 200 liter (You do the converting) tank as soon as I'll have a bigger apartment and some more money saved up.

And, another thing, they are 2 inches long each. NOT fully grown adult fish. Which I'd rather give away than to keep in a 10 gallon.
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2010, 01:11:39 PM »

Way to put it Nossie! Tongue
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2010, 03:41:11 PM »

Gee girls, have you seen that? first in another post I was warned that I put too many "promotional " links in, now I copied some of my personal "Fish File" iI have in my PC and it was edited and the link was put in. 
So how am I supposed to help without getting into troubble?
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2010, 03:51:12 PM »

What a pain. This forum is kinda' weird sometimes.. d:

Anyway, I've got some great news! Well, today I cleaned the grovel, pump+filter, plants and rocks quite thoroughly (as I tested for nitrite and there isn't any o_O I assumed that the filter bacteria won't worry) And I also took out pretty much of the gravel, I felt like it looked somewhat crowded in the tank... And now it looks much better, more spacious and my fish seem to be much happier (: I got to this conclusion since I fed them for the evening and nobody's hovering yet Wink
Calico seems to be missing the algae on the plants a bit, but I do prefer a green plant before a brown one, no matter how tasty it is d:

Mr. Popo seems to be healthy and happy as well, I'm so glad! Maybe he'll be the one telescope I ever had that will live to be more than a couple of months old. *sob* I'm gonna get a new filter cartridge for his tank and add a few plants soon (: (I got a few beautiful Java Ferns from my mom recently!)

That's it for this update (:
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2010, 04:53:18 PM »

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Gee girls, have you seen that? first in another post I was warned that I put too many "promotional " links in, now I copied some of my personal "Fish File" iI have in my PC and it was edited and the link was put in. 
So how am I supposed to help without getting into troubble?

The mod probably removed those text, because they were copied word for word from the other website.  Other people's work should be respected. You should summarize any information in your own words whenever possible.  I think you will find most forums have this policy in place  even if they don't list it in order to protect themselves from legal problems.
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2010, 05:06:42 PM »

Nossie, that's great news.
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2010, 05:59:43 PM »

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Gee girls, have you seen that? first in another post I was warned that I put too many "promotional " links in, now I copied some of my personal "Fish File" iI have in my PC and it was edited and the link was put in. 
So how am I supposed to help without getting into troubble?

Hanna, try citing your websites. Just say where you got it from and , if you can, who created it. And the date you accessed it. I did that without any problems.
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2010, 05:31:06 AM »

Yeah, Thanks Kat, Thanks Biffop,

I know what you mean, but at the same time I wanted Nossie to have this huge info asap, and I did NOT acted as if it was MY info, I pasted it "italicized" for everybody to know it's not mine and to show that I DO respect other people's work. And I avoided to mention the website, because I got a ruffle a couple of weeks ago "promoting other goldfish sites is not allowed".

I only want you guys to know that it never crossed my mind to upset or disrespect anybody.  Cry

Thanks guys
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2010, 11:21:41 AM »

Hanna:: Oh, don't worry, I'd like to see it, so you could try explaining it in your own words somehow?
By the way, were you going to show me that info about telescope goldfish too (about their vision)?
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2010, 03:15:13 PM »

yes, Nossie, I will, It is about the fish vision in general, I must write it up in my own words first, lol
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2010, 02:59:27 AM »

Hah xD Well, I'm very interested so... I'll be waiting as long as it takes Cheesy
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2010, 03:05:42 AM »

Hi Nossie,

just have a peek at the new topic in "General Goldfish Discussion"  "Calling moderator..."

THANKS
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2010, 06:32:24 AM »

I checked there but I didn't find anything...?
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2010, 04:34:40 PM »

 Cheesy when I typed my last post here, you already did check, it is about creating the new board about Goldfish Anatomy.

Sad about it that the only members interested are you, Kat and myself... regarding over 30 views... and even the mod did not bother...maybe he/she hasn't seen it yet, but I believe they check every post anyway
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Re: What is wrong with the cycling?!
« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2010, 02:17:59 AM »

Aww... just be patient! I'm sure someone will see it (:
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