white bumps on the outer ends of my veiltails tail?

Ron H
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white bumps on the outer ends of my veiltails tail?

« on: May 26, 2011, 09:11:48 PM »

Hi all, first up I would like to say what a great site and resource this is, thank you to all involved in its running. I have a problem with my Goldfish's tail ( a veiltail), in the last few weeks he has developed some white lumps on the outer edges of his tail, not sure what they are so I have attached some pics... any help would be appreciated.

Tank is about 100 - 120ltrs (old concrete washing tub) has been set up for 3 years, and has 2 guppies and 1 veiltail in it and some pond plants.
PH is about 7.5 and the Tank/Tub is outside, and as its nearly winter the water temp is around 15 degrees C. Water changes once a week about 20% changed. No water conditioner, I use rainwater and feed some mozzie larve as well as goldfish flakes and some greens.
Fish is behaving normally and is about 6 and 1/2 inches long in size, there is no water filter but I provide aeration from morning till night. There is some algea growth on the sides of the tub/tank.
I have been treating him for fungas (as this is what my local pet store said it was) but I now dont have much faith in their diagnosis as the lumps appear to be getting bigger.
I hope this is enough information and that I have posted this the right way.
Cheers > Ron H.


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Re: white bumps on the outer ends of my veiltails tail?

« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2011, 07:50:07 AM »

It could be iritation from sharp plants. Undecided

But please put the guppies in a differnet tank they require different water temps than goldfishes.


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Ron H
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« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2011, 08:44:26 AM »

Thanks for your help and the advice for the guppies, I will look into their needs asap. I was given them with the veiltail after the bowl they were living in was broken. Today I cleaned / scrubbed out the veiltails tank/tub, reduced the amount of plants and replaced about 40% of the water, hopefully that will help a bit until I can get him to a vet who knows about goldfish or maybe someone here knows what it is . > Ron H.

Just did some guppy research and now im not sure what they are... They dont have that distinctive guppy tail, they are grey with a irridesant lateral line, will try to get a pic but they move around a bit. > Ron


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Re: white bumps on the outer ends of my veiltails tail?

« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2011, 02:43:12 PM »

Ooooh, that looks pretty bad! I wish I had some brilliant reem of advice to give, but I honestly don't know for certain...could it be an infection of some kind, like what fantailer was saying? Or it could be the little fishies picking on him...I kept guppies with goldfishes (not a good idea) and they would nip the fins...

I'm sorry for your fishy! Hope that the wound heals up well


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Ron H
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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2011, 07:19:28 PM »

Cheers for your input, the little fish (now not sure what they are, could be mosquito fish of some sort) dont seem to nip at the veiltail or harrass him in any way, the all seem to get along ok. All the best for Elsie Amber, what a lovely colour tone she has.
Thanks > Ron


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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2011, 09:39:12 PM »

Well that's good! Cheesy

So they aren't guppies after all then! Hmmmmm...then if it's not the little fish harassing, what could it be that's causing those horrid bumps? Huh

I would not say it's fungus. It almost looks like a tumor to me, but like I said I don't know for certian. So either that or an infected wound. I can see by the dialated blood veins in the tail that the area is irritated. If it's a wound I would try dabbing it with a q-tip in hydrogen peroxide. That usually works for me when weird things come up.

But don't listen to me, I don't want to tell you to do something without having dealt with that same issue myself! Tongue

And thank you for that, about Elsie Amber! I'll pass that on to her and pamper her fish-sized vanity. Wink


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Ron H
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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2011, 10:27:15 PM »

Looking at where the lumps are located on the tail, (the same area on both sides, although on one side it is not that noticable) it is on the part of the tail that comes into contact with objects, tank etc as he forages about. Yesterday one of them erupted and some fluffy grey bit came out and trailed from the lump (its in the pics I think), today that is gone...
I am leaning towards what you said about it being some sort of secondary infection that has taken hold when this area became irritated or worn. Also it has only started since the water temp started to drop to around 15 degrees C.
I am just testing my water heater in a bucket to see how it is working, I will put that in for the winter and see how he goes, I now realise that being a fancy variety he may not like it when it gets colder (you learn so much here). Anyway today I will print out the pics and see if the pet store guy can help, and there is always hope someone on this site may know, if not It's a trip to vet on Monday for F.B. Thank you all > Ron


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Re: white bumps on the outer ends of my veiltails tail?

« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2011, 10:12:11 AM »

Veiltails have very long, flowing tails that do brush up against things. If it's rubbing on something with a rough surface I would think that would cause something like that to occur. It is good that one of them errupted...that means it's NOT a tumor but definately an infection. I think a heater is a good idea as well. Hopefully someone on here will help you more than I can, and if not the vet will be able to give you something for his poor little tail Wink

All the best for your fishkeeping!


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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2011, 11:37:25 AM »

Hi. I've read that you should provide aeration 24 hours a day, and it sounds like you only have it on during the daytime.


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« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2011, 03:10:52 AM »

Thanks for the answers all, we are working in different time zones, (Im in Australia) so I am a bit behind (or ahead? lol) in getting back to this thread. Put the water heater in today and F.B. is amazed at the little light that comes on. He seems happier with the warmer water and keeps wanting to be fed (fancy that). Will be going to the vet on Tuesday now (I have a disibility and its hard to get about), I will keep this thread updated so the knowledge base can benefit. Cheers all and thanks again for the help. > Ron


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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2011, 12:04:30 PM »

Warmer water can perk up goldfish and even stimulate breeding behavior. Curious as to what advice the vet will give; keep us posted


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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2011, 08:41:56 PM »

Still looking for an answer, I found that myxobolus sounds very similar, it is said that
"the cysts will break open, the myxos will leave the white pimples and invade fish again. The wounds in the tail will then become red, infected, and tailrot will follow."
It does not sound good and worse still there appears to be no real treatment for it.... some say that the lumps can come and go, or infest the fish heavily and cause its demise...
Will let you know what I find. Cheers > Ron


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Ron H
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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2011, 10:11:07 PM »

Just spoke to a reputable breeder who is on my side of town, I emailed them the pics, they said they see this a lot in pond fish and that they are are cancerous like lesions or tumors... with the location of these tumors on the ends of the tail or fins makes removal almost impossible without damaging the fishes fins... they recommend removal with a scalpel or very sharp scissors, the fins apparently will re grow and the fish will cope... as well as needing to use a broad spectrum medication to prevent the fins from getting fungus or any other bacterial infection... they said they have done this on many occasions...
Sounds scary to me, poor F.B.... I am still leaning towards seeing a vet this arvo. Regards > Ron.


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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2011, 08:05:23 AM »

I'd have a vet remove them. They do seem to be some kind of tumors with infections, like you and Goldiegirl already figured out

Did you know that rainwater can contain some harmful metals from the piping? You know, since it runs down the drains and the roof, you can never be quite sure what's in it. Or how are you collecting it? It may have something to do with the sudden outbreak of lumps on the tail, but then again, it's hard to know for sure D:

Best wishes, and good luck with the fish!


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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2011, 04:53:30 AM »

Hi all, just to let you all know what we found out about F.B.s lumps. When trying to find a fish vet I was given the number of a wife/husband team who breed and supply fish, and who also work with sick fish for some of the local vets. I was able to email them the pics and they said they see this problem every week in fish kept in outdoor ponds... heres the explanation...
In Australia here we have some of the highest rates of skin cancer, it not only affects us, but our animals as well, including our fish! any albino animals or ones with part white pigmentation, like pink noses on dogs/cats/horses, etc can be a problem... and yes, F.B. has both gold and white pigments, and his pond is sunny for half the day (He also likes to lurk under lilly pads, but his tail often sticks out in the sun).
Anyway the treatment was to have them removed by cutting off the lumps and a little of the fin with a scalpel, which they were able to do quite easily... F.B did not even flinch at all, went straight back to his old routines, and is feeding well. We are treating his water with a broad spectrum antibiotic to stop any other infections. The dilated blood vessels in his tail are now un-noticable.
Thanks for your thoughts on the rainwater, our tank has a sump area where most of the solids, etc settle, I check the water with a TDS scanner, it is always around 10-20ppm, better than our tapwater sometimes.
Thanks again to all who have offered their thoughts and advice. > Ron


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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2011, 09:57:37 AM »

Wow, thank you for sharing, Ron! Hope F.B. will do swimmingly after his surgery Wink


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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2011, 01:09:18 PM »

Wonderful!

I'm so glad to hear you got it all solved


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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2011, 07:35:30 PM »

Hey I forgot to say that I have identified my "guppie/mosquito fish" after separating them from F.B., this is the first time I have got a good look at them... They are ... Zebra Danio's.

Thanks again to Goldiegirl, Fantailer, Nossie, and Summer Time for your help and advice.


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« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2011, 07:34:27 AM »

Well done Ron, and wow what a group! Hate to say it, but I loved your pic.

Tim


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Ron H
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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2011, 08:38:36 PM »

Thanks Tim, Having a 25mp camera does help with the pics... I am going to get a pic of F.B to go with my details. F.B still doing well, there is no noticable wound where the amputation was, all good so far, if it was some sort of cancer (without a biopsy, you cant be totally sure) there is always the chance it may come back elsewhere, but I hope not. Cheers > Ron


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« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2011, 08:29:11 PM »

Great to hear...and hopefully it won't ever come back.

And I want your camera!! Lol Cheesy


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« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2011, 03:46:10 AM »

I had zebra Danios with two fantails once in my youth

They worked perfect together and all of them died from old age in the end C:


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« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2011, 06:59:10 PM »

Great to hear that Nossie, thats pretty well what I was told by the people who did F.B's amputation... they are back in the tub with F.B. now that I have Identified them... also we are going to get a friend for F.B. ... we also found out that F.B. is a female and... a fantail not a veiltail as I was told by the person who previously had them... its hard to see these things when you can only view your fish from above. Cheers > Ron


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« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2011, 01:44:17 PM »

That's true

There are so many different kinds of tails on goldfish in the first place! I have a couple of fantails that actually have ribbon tails, for instance Shocked


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« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2011, 03:26:18 PM »

I'm happy that F.B. is doing so well! She is lucky to have you to take care of her.


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« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2011, 03:43:51 AM »

Thanks Summer Time, for your kind words... I ran into my old friend at the supermarket last nite, the one who used to own F.B. and he said they got her when she was about an "inch and a bit long" and that was about 6 years ago... and if Nossie is still reading this thread, Do you have any pics of the fantails with ribbontails, would love to see them. ..maybe we need to start a new thread.... Cheers all > Ron


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Re: white bumps on the outer ends of my veiltails tail?

« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2011, 10:07:45 AM »

She is indeed a very fortunate fish to have an owner that cares about her Wink

If you have the room for another fish, I would get one to be her friend. Goldies just seem to have more fun with a buddy Grin

Fantails, ribbontails, veiltails, butterfly tails, cattails...lol, sorry, that was corny! There is so much variety out there in goldfish land Cheesy

I love fantails. They have so much personality and you quickly become fond of them...as with most fish. Wink


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« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2011, 05:11:20 AM »

your so right about the fantails personality, our other goldfish Spot and Norm prefer to be snobs most of the time (they only come out to be fed Roll Eyes

)... and yes, now we know F.B. is a girl, we are looking at getting a friend for her, its a little sad to think she maybe a bit lonely (she does have a couple a zebra danio's for friends)... hope your feeling a bit better today... Cheers

> Ron.


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« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2011, 02:50:22 PM »

Hahahah that made me laugh to think of "snobby goldfish." What breed of goldfish are the other two? Shocked

And I take it they aren't in the same place as F.B.?

Yes, I second the motion of you getting a friend for her. I think they may get a bit lonesome without one...who wouldn't? Who knows, if you get a male fish they may spawn Roll Eyes

Hopefully the danios will keep her company until then.

And thanks for that

a bit better today...planning to go to the LFS some time this weeek and take a look around for a new friend.


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« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2011, 03:00:19 AM »

Hi Goldiegirl

... yes Spot and Norm are separate to F.B. but in the same concrete trough/tub, its split in half, each side holds about 100ltrs... We tiled over the concrete with a mosaic pattern so it looks a bit nicer... I think Spot and Norm are just the normal type of goldfish, they came from Sharon's (my partner) father, he has a large deep pond with a lot of big goldfish in it... He has had it for over 30 years...
Spot used to have spots, but he/she changed colour and is now sort of albino with an orange tone and highlites... and Norm, who was named Norm because he/she was just a normal orange goldfish though it was time to develop spots Roll Eyes

... maybe they didn't like their names (lol) Cheesy

.. Cheers... good luck finding a new friend. > Ron


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