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keo1463
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white spot
« on: September 16, 2011, 10:47:18 AM »

my gold fish have developed white spot so i went to my pet shop and took a water sample and i have high anioma levels so im doing water changes every 2 days all drifent % ages and i have some stress zime to help kill off the anioma everything else is ok so i hope my water changes and stress zime kill off the white spot and bring my anioma down.

wish me luck  Sad
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Goldiegirl
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Re: white spot
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2011, 06:42:08 PM »

Hey keo1463.  Smiley How often are you changing the water? To keep your ammonia parameters level at a consistant 0, it is essential to perform weekly 50% water changes (including gravel vacuum). This is the best way to make sure your fish stay safe. It is good that you are doing water changes...that will really help to bring it down.  Wink

One thing I would say is that stress zyme is a water conditioner, not a medication. It is used primarily to bring down high levels of ammonia and nitrite. Though  this wil help your water quality problem, I would recommend also adding a concentration of salt (3 teaspoons per 10 gallons) to kill the ich.

Hope your fish recover fast!  Smiley
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Re: white spot
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2011, 04:00:35 AM »

I agree with Goldiegirl, as usual Smiley
Salt is a great treatment for parasites (as white spot), it won't meddle with the water parameters at all and you can easily replace the amount of salt you removed by dosing the fresh water you put in.
Remember though, that you should always dissolve the salt in a small amount of tank water in a clean cup you use only for the tank (from now on). Then you calculate the next dose for the amount of new water you put in during the water changes and put the salt in last Smiley
Raising the temperature in the tank by a degree or two usually helps battling these parasites too, but then you need to have a submersible heater exclusively for aquariums.

Also note that you can't use normal table salt!! You should use natural sea salt or the kind of salt you can get in your pet shop (just be sure it doesn't say "mineral salt" on it, because that's usually designed to raise the water's hardness.)
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Re: white spot
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2011, 07:12:46 AM »

can i use table salt ? lol

i know the stress zime wont get rid of the white spot its to help bring down the ammonia and nitrite
im doing gravel vac's as well ill post the steps im to do. ill edit this post once i find the bit of paper that tell's me what to do


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my paper to help me sort out my tank lvl's

(step 1)

30% w/c and gravel vac + double dose stress zyme ( Done )

(step 2)

2 day's later 20% w/c as above

(step 3)

2day's later 10% w/c as above
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repeat for 2 week's then retest on the 30/9/11   ( next water test date uk )

is this correct ? thanks  Smiley
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Goldiegirl
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Re: white spot
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2011, 10:10:03 AM »

Like Nossie said, use natural sea salt and make sure its non-iodized. That's what many people call table salt (in our family, anyway) but some table salt should not be used for fish, especially if it has a bunch of different ingredients in it.

To edit a post, just click "modify" in the upper right corner of your post.  Wink
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Re: white spot
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2011, 10:53:58 AM »

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Like Nossie said, use natural sea salt and make sure its non-iodized. That's what many people call table salt (in our family, anyway) but some table salt should not be used for fish, especially if it has a bunch of different ingredients in it.

To edit a post, just click "modify" in the upper right corner of your post.  Wink

ive added the bit of paper my pet shop gave me just thought to bump so that you could read
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Re: white spot
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2011, 12:44:31 PM »

Your fish is being attacked by parasites, you do need to add that salt... :/
It's great that you're doing the water changes, but next I'd take out roughly 75% of the water and dose the whole tank with salt to get the treatment started before it's too late!!
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2011, 01:47:27 PM »

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Your fish is being attacked by parasites, you do need to add that salt... :/
It's great that you're doing the water changes, but next I'd take out roughly 75% of the water and dose the whole tank with salt to get the treatment started before it's too late!!


im going to try and get that salt asap before my next water change
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Re: white spot
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2011, 02:00:20 PM »

Keep us updated on the progress with the fish! Smiley Is it looking any better?
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Re: white spot
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2011, 11:08:43 AM »

Yes, like Nossie said, just doing water changes and keeping the parameters stable is not going to get rid of that nasty ich! Salt is great in that it really does do the trick to kill the parasites. Raising the temperature can also help when battling ich. It speeds up the life cycle of the protozoan and causes your fish to heal faster. If you have a heater on hand for your aquarium, try raising the temp. to around 78ish (degrees F).  Wink
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Re: white spot
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2011, 09:38:02 AM »

tancho died
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2011, 10:01:45 AM »

In order to beat ich (Ichthyophthirius multifiliis)you have to understand it's life cycle. The white spots that you see on the fish are actually caused by the fishes body encapsulating the protozoan in an attempt to limit the damage that it can do. You CANNOT kill ich while it is visible on the fish. The mature trophont leaves the fish to reproduce, the tomites that are produced are what medications kill. Raising the temperature speeds up the process and therefore makes medications more effective.
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Re: white spot
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2011, 10:03:49 AM »

Oh no! Thats so sad! I'm so sorry about little tancho; he was so cute!  Cry
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Re: white spot
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2011, 04:44:50 AM »

well i dont have a heater and all my fish died so will the (shite) spot die off as there is no living fish left lol ?
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Re: white spot
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2011, 05:32:59 AM »

It will, yes. Just leave the salt in and let the tank go on it's own for maybe two-three weeks and the parasites should all be gone.

Sorry all the fish died... :/
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Re: white spot
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2011, 07:54:46 AM »

oh no! sorry to hear about your loss, I am battling Ich right now with my tank, you really have to do water changes often, add salt, etc. to get rid of it...I have been battling it for the last 2 weeks and it keeps coming back. Sad
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Re: white spot
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2011, 09:07:54 AM »

do i still have to water change like there is still fish in there ? do i feed invisible fish ? lmao
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Re: white spot
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2011, 09:35:10 AM »

no, if there's no fish there is no host for the micro-organism to feed from.  thats why nossie said to let the tank sit and cycle for 2-3 weeks.  I would say, if your fish just died and the tank is still as-is, it might be a good idea to vacuum the gravel and do a 50% water change.  i'm not sure how long your tank has been up and running but if it is already cycled, give it roughly 2 weeks with no fish and you should be OK to add new fish, by that time the ich organisms will have died with no host.
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« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2011, 10:05:06 AM »

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no, if there's no fish there is no host for the micro-organism to feed from.  thats why nossie said to let the tank sit and cycle for 2-3 weeks.  I would say, if your fish just died and the tank is still as-is, it might be a good idea to vacuum the gravel and do a 50% water change.  i'm not sure how long your tank has been up and running but if it is already cycled, give it roughly 2 weeks with no fish and you should be OK to add new fish, by that time the ich organisms will have died with no host.
ok cheers ill do it tomorrow as i have a army course

its about 5 weeks old now ill do a 50% and vac when i get back from that
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Re: white spot
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2011, 12:55:19 PM »

After I'm done treating in my quarantine system I usually take out as much water as I can until the water flow stops. Just to make sure I get as much medicine out of it as possible before filling it back in. (I filter with carbon afterwards for a week or two, but only for heavier meds, not for salt).

Since there won't be a source of ammonia you don't need to change the water for the time that your tank is empty, but right before you buy new fish, (just get one or two at a time to be safe!) it could be good to take out another 75% of the water, after that, keep going with 50% every week + gravel vacuum Smiley
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