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hellsbells
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Barbs
« on: September 01, 2010, 03:27:57 PM »

So, finally got some fish for my new tank!  Got 4 Tiger Barbs and they're lovely!  Very much shoal fish, they don't leave each other alone!  So pretty.  From what I've seen so far, high quality flakes, blood worms and courgette/lettuce will keep them happy?
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Hanna
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Re: Barbs
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2010, 05:21:24 PM »

Beautiful  Wink

Yes, flakes and pellets... all you mentioned is fine. And of course high quality.
You can try different flakes, like kelp flakes, or the mixed ones.
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Re: Barbs
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2010, 02:34:57 AM »

Yep Smiley Sounds nice Smiley

But be careful with who you put into the tank with them! They are known to be nipping other fishes' fins! Especially those with longer tails. So look out for some suitable tankmates for them Wink

And post piics!!
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Re: Barbs
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2010, 04:11:13 PM »

I had some pics, not great ones though.

But seriously....

Ok, perfect tank, new plants, cycled for 5 days, 4 tiger barbs....came home this evening to find 3 of them.....dead.  Nitrates are SPOT ON, haven't got test for pH but I used the proper water treatment and the local water is actually pretty good.

I'm going to back to pet shop tomorrow evening with a water sample.  I can't imagine what I'm doing wrong that they died in less than 24 hrs!!  Water temp is 26, I did everything I was supposed to do with letting them sit in the bag in the tank....am totally gutted.  Spent 150 on tank and stand, I don't want to give up!!

The only one left is just sitting in the little shipwreck toy/decoration not knowing what to do with itself.  What am I doing wrong?HuhHuh??
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hellsbells
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Re: Barbs
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2010, 05:20:09 PM »

I feel so sad.
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Re: Barbs
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2010, 05:38:47 PM »

How long has the aquarium been cycling? It often takes  4-6 weeks to cycle a new aquarium. Most tropical fish are not as hardy as goldfish, so they will probably not likely survive the cycling process, unless you have a water test kit on hand to check the water parameters often.  Some people prefer to do a fishless cycle so they won't have to suffer any fish loss.

Did you check the water parameters before putting the barbs into the aquarium? If so , what were the readings (pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate).?

Also, are the decorations (shipwreck, gravel, etc..) aquarium safe?  Many items , especially ones made in China, that are not meant for an aquarium can contain high levels of lead and even radioactive material like Cadmium.
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Re: Barbs
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2010, 05:41:49 PM »

OHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  Sad cry, sob )



and as nabi sais:  Very important to test Ammonia, Nitrite first as Ammonia is the first toxin to show, then it is broken down to Nitrite. Nitrate will show later when Nitrite will be broken down. So if you say Nitrate is spot on. What exactly are the readings. Are they 0? If yes this could mean that they don't show up yet because your tank is still cycling and there is Ammonia and Nitrite present.
Besides, a tank is not finished with cycling after 4-5 days. It takes a few weeks.
Did you add beneficial bacteria?
Highly recommended " Stability" from Seachem. Follow the instructions on the bottle. Then it is safe to add some fish after 3-4 days. Which we did with ours and they are alive , eating, swimming, exploring, pooping.

Don't give up. We'll help you.
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Re: Barbs
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2010, 01:22:15 AM »

I'm so very sorry for you Sad
The two previous posters have already pointed out the best course of action Smiley So just get a test kit for everything, and keep an eye on ammonia and nitrite for now Smiley I'm sure it'll work just fine as soon as the tank will be cycled!
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Re: Barbs
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2010, 02:40:17 AM »

Thanks guys.  A lot of the advice (including from a major pet store and I do believe these guys know what they're talking about) said the tank should cycle for a minimum of 3 days, I had it going for 5.  Nitrite was pretty much 0.  No, I didn't check the pH before the fish went in  - I didn't have anything to test it with (I had meant to take a sample with me when I went to buy them but forgot) but I added the water conditioner as per instructions.  I also added the Filter Start as per instructions.  How could there have been any/much ammonio when there had never been fish in this tank?  Sorry - it was nitrite I tested that showed up clear, not nitrate.  I did test the pH of my tap water about 2 weeks ago and it was perfect, so I can't see that being a problem.  The other one was dead this morning.  I'm going back to pet shop later today.  I'll get the additional test necessities, I promise.  But this shouldn't have happened.
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Re: Barbs
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2010, 03:22:13 AM »

When you start the fishless cycle you put conditioned water in the tank, beneficial bacteria and some fish food.
The fish food starts to decompose releasing Ammonia, the bacteria will settle and start to break Ammonia down into Nitrite. This takes a few days as you will need to add beneficial bacteria every day and a pinch of food.
After a few days you should see Nitrites showing. Change 50% of the water, as bacteria settle in the substrate.
Add again bacteria and conditioner.... keep testing every day. When Nitrates start to show Ammonia and Nitrites should go down to 0ppm. At this stage your tank is almost cycled.
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Re: Barbs
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2010, 05:22:22 AM »

Now, at least for me it got clearer why they died. I think the problem is that you didn't add any source of ammonia to the tank until the fish moved in! Meaning that the biological filter was pretty much shocked by the sudden rise of ammonia, it couldn't deal with it, and so your fish died as they poisoned themselves. A nitrite test alone won't help at all for now unfortunately Sad

But you know how to do it now, so it'll be perfect, I'm sure Smiley
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Re: Barbs
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2010, 12:06:41 PM »

I had no idea keeping fish was this complicated!  I'm up for the challenge though, it'll be worth it!
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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2010, 04:43:22 PM »

 Wink really not that complicated... we just need to follow natures rules...
It may sound a bit difficult for a beginner, but basically it isn't.

You'll be right hellsbells Wink
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Re: Barbs
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2010, 03:21:52 AM »

hellsbells: It's really simple and logical Smiley But once the cycling is over, it should be alright! Then all you have to do is change the water regularly Wink Nothing less than 50% though c: I'm sure you'll make it! Smiley
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Re: Barbs
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2010, 10:24:28 AM »

So here's the thing....just an idea.....

Bill and Ted only started getting sick after I introduced a live plant into their bowl.  This was maybe a mistake, but after rinsing it, I put it into the new tank.  I'm noticing that that parts of the heater have the same white slimey stuff that Bill and Ted had.  Is it possible that the plant was carrying something nasty?

I'm off on holiday (to the Caribbean  Grin) soon, I think now I might aswell wait until after I get before getting any more fish.

 Cry Cry Cry Cry
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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2010, 04:40:52 PM »

That sounds really strange! o.o But it's very possible that plants bring some unwanted disease with them now and then, so that's not completely impossible!

Have fun on your vacation! Smiley I agree, it's a better idea to wait with getting any more fish until you'll come back Smiley That way you can keep an eye on them to make sure that everything's alright with them all Cheesy
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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2010, 05:05:36 PM »

According to the plants, I've got a tip when I was chatting to a fish-guy...
Before putting them in the tank, soak them in slightly warm salt water... well I believe like rising the temp and add salt for trating some illnesses in our fishies will help to get rid of possible parasites - including those small brown snails and snail eggs -.

wow, Caribbean... Roll Eyes Grin enjoy your hols, and yes, start with new fish when you are back. In the meantime: ENJOY
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Re: Barbs
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2010, 05:43:25 AM »

Thanks guys....
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Re: Barbs
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2010, 04:29:35 PM »

 Grin
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Re: Barbs
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2010, 02:42:23 AM »

hellsbells: Naaw Sad Don't go all "..." now! You'll have a great vacation, and when you come back, you'll get some new beautiful fish! And they're going to thrive in that tank! Cheesy I'd say you have a lot to look forward to! Smiley
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Re: Barbs
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2010, 12:33:51 PM »

So here's the question......(Nossie I do that all the time....... Cheesy)......the tank had dead fish floating in warm water for several hours, ther's icky stuff on the heater - would you advise cleaning out the entire thing?  50%?  Don't know what to do for the best!  It does a smell a bit whiffy.
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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2010, 03:03:41 AM »

(Lol, sorry xD I have this funny thing that I associate "..." with sadness or disapproval :'D)

Maybe it's best to take out 50 or even 60% of the water and indeed, clean the heater and maybe the tank walls if needed... A tank should smell nice! Cheesy Like... earth and plants! Cheesy
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Re: Barbs
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2010, 04:09:31 AM »

Oh tigerbarbs!

I've kept fish for years, even some of the more finiky fish varieties such as Peacock Eels amd such, and every time I purchase Tigerbarbs the same thing happens to me. I've given up on them, but don't be discouraged. Hopefully you'll figure something out.
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Re: Barbs
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2010, 01:47:51 PM »

Bisclavret that's good to know!  They are so cute though!
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