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lreiden
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Really really frustrated
« on: October 16, 2011, 01:28:17 PM »

So, this is a follow up thread to my thread about the Ich i've been treating for literally, about 3 weeks, maybe a little more.  So, for 8 days straight everyday at around the same time I vacuumed gravel + 25% water change, added back the salt I took out, and used RidIch.  Day 9 (yesterday) I was busy and figured since I hadn't seen symptoms in over a week, that my fish would be fine as is.  Woke up today and my fish is getting fin rot again and flashing around.  

I went out and bought another product, API super ich cure.  Has anyone had success with this?  I used the first dose a few minutes ago, before doing that I did a big 50% water change, gravel vacuum and rinsed my filter media in tank water.  The directions on the API kit say "for best results, remove activated carbon or filter cartridge"  ...I dont have a carbon filter, just the filter media...I DIDNT remove the filter media because I'm not supposed to do that, right?  Filter cartridge=filter media?  I cleaned it and put it back in the filter, if I'm supposed to remove it someone please let me know!

another question, all this time I'm assuming that this is Ich because of all of the symptoms but is it possible that it's something else?  I notice fin rot is usually the first symptom along with flashing around the tank..fin rot is usually a symptom in conjunction with Ich?  If I dont treat right when I see the first signs, whatever it is takes over really quickly.

I am SO frustrated and confused by this, I want my fish to live and I know I need to buy a bigger tank but for now all I have is the 10 gallon, I hate treating this much for this long..I just want it to go away already, my next move might be to just remove the gravel completely....  Any advice/suggestions/thoughts on all of this MUCH appreciated.  Without the advice on this forum, all of my fish would be dead by now, I really appreciate all the info I've gotten so far Smiley
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Re: Really really frustrated
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2011, 07:32:05 PM »

Ireiden the filtesr that I have seen lately have carbon in them now. I am not sure what kind of filter pump you have, but I have been looking at a lot of cartridges on the market, & all of of them have carbon in them now. I was just looking cause a long time ago I did have fish, & the filters are nothing like they use to be. I do understand your frustration though, it looks like you have been a member longer than I have, so this maybe the blind leading the blind Grin I haven't had an episode of Ich & hope I never do, cause just dealing with whats going on now is crazy enough. I got into goldfish, by rescuing fish from my neighbors, & they have all died, just last week. So I have been fortunate enough to be able to get 3 tanks, & wished I could help you be able to get a tank big enough for your baby. I do hope though that in the near future that you are able to get a bigger home soon.
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Re: Really really frustrated
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2011, 03:09:34 AM »

If you noticed fin rot on the fish, maybe you should have tried treating that instead of continuing with the ich?
The salt will deal with the parasites, but not necessarily with the fin rot, so you should have bought an anti-bacterial medicine Smiley

By "remove the filter cartridge" they mean either, as gwen was pointing out, to remove the whole cartridge if it contains carbon. But many people also bypass the filter while treating with medicine, meaning that they remove the filter media and keep that in a bucket so that the beneficial bacteria will be safe. It could be that the API medicine contains something very strong that will kill off your filter bacteria, but since you left it in either way, it wouldn't matter anymore, and since you've had that tank for a long time already, you won't be forcing it to start from 0 with cycling anyway Smiley

Fin rot has nothing to do with ich really, it's probably just attacking the fish because it's weakened by the parasites already. A good way to treat fin rot that Goldiegirl uses regularly, is to lightly dab the area with hydrogen peroxide. You can buy that at the pharmacy, and then you can use a q-tip to apply the peroxide, but be sure to hold the fish carefully above the tank in case it'd wriggle loose!
That way you wouldn't have to remove any medicines or anything from the tank, but you can treat the rot with the peroxide and in case there are any parasites left, they'll be killed by the salt Smiley

I do hope you'll get rid of this already, I can imagine how annoying it has to be D:
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Re: Really really frustrated
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2011, 09:18:46 AM »

thanks for all the advice, my fish seems much better today after having used the api super ich cure.  I am going to give the second dose tomorrow and see if it comes back.  If it does, I will start the antibacterial treatment that Nossie suggested.  Its hard to tell whether it is fin rot or ich because it isnt just the fraying/white on the ends of the fins, it is also all of the other symptoms like flashing, spots on the body, etc.  I'll keep the updates coming! thanks again
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Re: Really really frustrated
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2011, 03:07:07 AM »

I understand... I actually treated this strange thing in the community tank at one point, the fish had all frayed fins and some had spots allover the fins as well, looked like they had been sprinkled with salt!
In any case, I just treated them with the Bactopur by SERA for the  whole treatment and that seemed to do the trick! It hasn't come back for more than a year now Smiley
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Re: Really really frustrated
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2011, 09:05:13 AM »


I treated the fish again today with the API ich cure, 48 hrs after the initial dose, I did notice it starting to come back this morning and my fish acting weird (she stays under the little bridge ornament in the tank rather than swimming around to greet me in the morning).  Do you think this might not be ich?  As you suggested earlier, should I try treating for a bacteria infection instead?  That's what I'm starting to think but I'm not sure.  they dont offer Bactopur  at the petsmart near me.  Can you (or anyone reading this) recommend another good anti-bacterial treatment?  I dont want to buy something that wont work and then have to buy it again so if you (or anyone) can recommend a good product I will go buy it.  SO FRUSTRATED!  I just hope I can cure this before killing my fish Sad
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2011, 10:58:49 AM »

I already told you that Goldiegirl has successfully treated a lot of fin rot with Hydrogen peroxide that she applied with a q-tip Smiley
Also mentioned that you can get that from the local pharmacy if you ask, and that way you won't have to interrupt any treatments, you can just put this on the fins that have been torn, and it should do the trick!
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Re: Really really frustrated
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2011, 02:26:26 PM »

hmm...OK, I will try the hydrogen peroxide with the q-tip.  I'm thinking it might def be a bacterial/fungal infection I noticed today that there is a white cloudy residue over her eyes. since I already tried the API super ich and it didnt work...can I go ahead and do the hydrogen peroxide and also use a antibacterial treatment in the tank?  Do you think Pimafix would be a good one to try?  If not, is there another antibacterial treatment?  I'm correct in assuming that the bacteria causes ulcers, etc...and then the fungus starts to grow? I've been reading up on it and I think this might be what has been happening.  My fish is almost all white so this has been difficult to diagnose correctly!!

Who would've thought a $3 fish would be so hard to take care of!!  My boyfriend doesnt understand why I dont just let it go but I love my fishy and will keep this up until she's better! I'm on a mission now!
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Re: Really really frustrated
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2011, 06:21:27 AM »

Hi Ireidin, If its fungas I can let you know I have been treating Bowie for a Spot of fungas, dont know how or why he got it but he did... its on the end of one of his belly fins and was about 3mm and round. I am using Wardley's Fungas Ade, I used to use it long ago when I had tropicals, it treats both fungas and fin rot, probably because one precedes the other.. anyway it took about a week and a half to finally destroy the fungas, (I was treating him every four days) then the fungas just broke up slowly and started to fade away, the fungas has destroyed the fin where it was, but this appears (two and a half weeks later) to now be healing... it may help as a last resort if you find that nothing else seems to be working... all the best for your fish and your efforts...
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Re: Really really frustrated
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2011, 08:15:44 AM »

Thanks Ron. I went and bought Maracyn, I dont think it is Ich.  So, I used my first dose of that last night after doing a 50% water change and adding back the salt, and my fish doesnt seem 100% better today (which I wasnt expecting anyways) but she doesnt seem worse either.  Just crossing my fingers that using the Maracyn for the full treatment will work.  If not, I'll come up with a different plan.  I just wish $200 would fall out of the sky so I could go buy a bigger tank, I'm so over this.
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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2011, 08:37:32 AM »

No worries Ireiden, and I agree its best to give the treatment some time to do its work, things rarely change overnight.... I know its hard watching, waiting and hoping it will work and our fish will get better... all the best and if I win big in the lotto this weekend I will send you the money for a new tank, or how about new tanks for all of us here, yay... cheers
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Re: Really really frustrated
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2011, 10:52:37 AM »

Thanks Ron, I'll do the same! Smiley
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Re: Really really frustrated
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2011, 11:43:51 AM »

I believe that using the hydrogen peroxide with the meds will not harm the fish. Just be sure not to get it in the water, as I've noticed it really bothers them. I would try taking the fish out of the water in one hand and tracing the affected areas on the fins with the saturated q-tip, as Nossie suggested, then repeating that daily. Sorry to hear about your fish being sick.  Undecided
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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2011, 02:19:22 PM »

Sometimes all you want is for it not to get worse!! Smiley
How is she acting? Is she eating well, is she sitting around a lot or how is it going?
I'm crossing my fingers here! Smiley
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Re: Really really frustrated
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2011, 01:39:51 PM »

She's gotten better, this is the 2nd day of treatment and so far so good.  I'm just hoping that if I use the Maracyn for a good 6 or 7 days that it will kill whatever this is.  If it comes back after the full treatment...I dont know what I"m going to do, Ill be at a total loss of how to treat this thing.  **Crosses fingers**
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Re: Really really frustrated
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2011, 01:40:51 PM »

Also, in regards to the hydrogen peroxide...I dont think it is going to work for me to pick her up and do it, she's still very small, very wiggly and fast...I'd like to try treating with this medication before having to actually pick her up.  If she wasnt so small it wouldnt be as bit of an issue, I just worry I'll get it in her eye or something.  That being said, if this doesnt start to work and keep working, I will def try that...I'm just trying to avoid actually having to handle her right now.
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Re: Really really frustrated
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2011, 06:07:29 PM »

That is probably for the best. If the condition doesn't get worse and you have no need to stress her, just stick with the meds. However, I have used the peroxide approach many times and have found it helpful...even use it on minor wen infections occasionally, despite the fear of getting it in the fish's eyes. Hoping the best for your fish!
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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2011, 02:43:39 AM »

My fish actually tend to relax and lay quite motionless in my hands when I catch them Smiley First they struggle, but once I lift them just a little bit out of the water, they calm down completely. I think it's because it's the first thing I do to any new fish, I always take them out of the bag with my hands and later they get to see them quite a lot while I change the water, so maybe it's not that dangerous to them? Smiley

In any case, let's hope the Maracyn is going to do the trick! Keep us updated Smiley
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Re: Really really frustrated
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2011, 11:05:56 AM »

Thanks Nossie, I will def try that if the fungus comes back. 

On the packaging Maracyn says a 25% water change isnt necessary.  Is it OK if I do a 25% water change each day though while using the antibiotic?  I did a 50% water change added back the salt and added the Maracyn, then the next day I just added the Maracyn and it seemed like the fungus came back a bit...so I have been doing water changes when adding the antibiotic.  Is this bad? does it remove too much of the previous antibiotic or does it not matter? 

I am really trying to scrounge up some money for a bigger tank, keeping my fish alive in a 10 gallon is just getting too difficult Sad
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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2011, 01:29:36 PM »

Does it say on the package that you "don't need to" or "should"?
If it's "don't need to" you can pretty much choose yourself whether you want to change it or not, but you could do the water change the days you need to add another dose so that you can top it back up Smiley
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Re: Really really frustrated
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2011, 04:23:21 PM »

So I thought the Maracyn was doing the trick, I've been using it for 5 days now and I thought it was working until today, her fins are starting to look spotty/greyish again and now the outline of her caudal fin is a dark color, around where the fungus was and where it ate away at the end of her fin..almost as if someone had traced the outline of her tail fin with a pencil.  any thoughts?  My thought is that I need to get Maracyn two for gram negative bacteria, I have been using Maracy which is for gram positive bacteria.  I was  thinking about getting Maracyn plus but I have to order that online and I dont want to wait for it to get shipped....

I am trying soooooo hard here Sad  If anyone has any more suggestions for me they are greatly appreciated. 
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Re: Really really frustrated
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2011, 05:42:38 AM »

Are you raising the water temp and adding small amounts of salt? They worked for me.
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« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2011, 12:28:02 PM »

Darkening fins means that she's healing Smiley Don't add any more medications for now, just use what you have, you don't want to overdo the situation, that would stress her out very much.

Have you tested your water? Do you have any ammonia or nitrite in there?
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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2011, 12:51:42 PM »

I have tested the water for ammonia and it comes back fine, I have the api ammonia test kit...I also bought those test strips and use those sometimes and it says my nitrite is fine but I dont really trust those things.  I still need to buy the api master test kit I just dont have $40 to drop on that right now.  I will continue the last dose of Maracyn and see how she looks.  I have also been doing the gravel vacuum and 25% water change and adding the salt back everyday for good measure and I can tell my fish always feels better after I do this.

I found it odd that the white spots (which I think is fungus) came back on her fins yesterday, I would think after 5 days of treatment this wouldn't come back.  I'm not sure anymore.  Nossie, I will take your advice and finish the one more day of Maracyn treatment...if that doesn't work I am going to go purchase Maracyn two and try that.  I really hesitate to stop treatment all together, I will give it a day and if I see the same symptoms I need to start treating again...whatever bacteria this is really takes over fast, it killed my other fish in 24 hrs Sad
Sorry for the thousands of questions I am asking but I am SO appreciative of the advice...my little fishy is still alive because of all the help I get on here.   :)I hope this thread and all of my troubles eventually lead me to an answer and I hope that I can help someone else struggling with the same problems!
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Re: Really really frustrated
« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2011, 12:19:28 AM »

Ireiden I had the same thing happen while treating Bowie for the dreaded fungas, on the third day or fourth day of treatment it almost looked as though it was gone (although you could still see some faint white colour where it was) and then, next day, it was back again! (it was maybe a little smaller, or it was me hoping it was) I continued the treatment and after a week you could see it starting to break down and flake off. Sorry to add more confusion for you... just thought I would let you know my experience. cheers and all the best  
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Re: Really really frustrated
« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2011, 07:57:41 AM »

Thanks Ron for the kind words...unfortunately, I dont believe the Marcyn is working.  I woke up today after using the last maracyn packet (day 6 of treatment which included maracyn every day, gravel vacuuming, 25% water change and salt) and the fungus looks really bad.  I am working today and just crossing my fingers that waiting until 6pm tonight to treat with Maracyn two will be OK.  I'm really at a loss and just crossing my fingers that using Maracyn 2 will do the trick.  If not...then I'm really at a loss.
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Re: Really really frustrated
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2011, 12:32:52 PM »

Sorry guys, if you want me to start a new thread I def will but I have yet ANOTHER question.  I went to PetSmart and got maracyn two.  I talked to a person who worked for the national aquarium (at least thats what he said), an older gentleman who seemed pretty knowledgeable.  I talked to him for a while and he recommended this treatment process:  Day 1: Treat, Day 2: treat...wait 3 days, do a water change, wait 2 days, treat again if symptoms persist.

The Maracy-two directions state: Fist day, add the contents of 2 packets per 10 gallons of water.  2nd through 5th day add 1 packet per 10 gallons.  Repeat this 5 day treatment only once if needed.  

So, now I'm confused...should I do what the directions on the package say or what he says.  He mentioned that this is a really strong antibiotic so doing it every day might overwhelm the fish with the Maracyn I've been treating them with.  Any thoughts?
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Re: Really really frustrated
« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2011, 07:28:27 PM »

I would trythe first one because it seems that its less dangerous for fish just be careful its better to have a fin rotted fish than an overdosed fish. Also the package usually overdoses to make more money.
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Re: Really really frustrated
« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2011, 07:02:02 AM »

As far as I know, Maracyn 2 is against bacterial disease, and your fish has fungus going on there.
But if you'd use the Maracyn at all, do it the way he suggested, because I get the feeling this little fish hasn't been allowed in fresh water without any medicines or chemicals for ages now Wink It might help better following the advice you got Smiley
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« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2011, 11:34:58 AM »

Well..despite my best efforts, she died.  So, I am going to get a bigger tank and start again, or maybe hold off, clean this tank. let it cycle and get another small fish eventually.  I will be back on here once I do that.
Thanks again for all of the help, I have learned a lot.
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